Mar 28, 2005 06:28 pm There are a few artist on this very site that can pull at my heartstrings quite competantly . So, I've not lost hope yet... hang in there wyd .
modern art
Posted on Mar 28, 2005 06:16 pm
whosyourdaddy00
Hold 'Em Czar
Member Since: Dec 30, 2004
the past century, there were tons of songwriters/musicians that created beautiful works of art for the world to enjoy. i'm thinkin' Coltrain, Lennon, Janis, Hendrix, Zepplin, Dylan ect. and even newer stuff like, dare i say Metallica, Guns n Roses, Pantera, to other genras like Q-tip, Biggie, Radiohead, Portishead, Bjork ect. these people were Artists. they loved their medium and accually cared about what they were convaying (sp?)...i'm not sayin' that those not mentioned are not artists, that'd be just stupid. but they had something that alota new stuff dosn't.
Integrity, ingenuity (sp?), heart & soul.
i know Christina can hit those notes that make you want to cry, but it still seems "hollow" to me. i don't see anything like that these days. granted i don't keep up with modern pop the way i used to, but not one damn singer, group, or band has touched me the way those above have...i know everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it, but usually i can admit when something is outstantingly genuine, regardless of my opinions of genera or what have you....anyway i donno if i'm ranting, venting, or simply thinkin' out loud... i'll let y'all take it from here.
peace
wyd
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Mar 28, 2005 06:28 pm There are a few artist on this very site that can pull at my heartstrings quite competantly . So, I've not lost hope yet... hang in there wyd .
Mar 28, 2005 06:53 pm yeah i've got a real strong feeling we're gonna see some awsome music commin' out here soon...with the current state of affairs in 'home recording', we're gonna hear more genuine stuff...i can't wait!
Mar 28, 2005 07:12 pm wyd,
i think your trying to compare true art with pure entertainment. ive found lots of indie pop bands out there that are really great!!!!
Mar 28, 2005 07:32 pm OOOOOOOO, Portishead. Yes that is good istening for sure. Bjork, original to say the least. And yes there are many others as well.
Entertainment to me is when you can see the band is actually enjoying what they are doing. We just saw Linkin Park this past summer, and you could tell they were actually having a great time. Chester admitted to not feeling well, but he said he wasnt gonna let that slow him down, and the crowd went bonkers. And you could tell he did honestly appreciate it.
We also saw SkinDread on the Korn tour this fall, and I got to introduce my youngest son to them. Benji was more then genuine in telling my then 11 year old he rocked for having a blue mohawk and a long tail of hair hanging half way down his back. He proceded to grab their brand new CD and he and the guitarist autographed it and gave it to him. Needless to say my son thanked him about ten times, and Benji told him to look for him next time they were in town, as he would remember him for being that young and having that odd hair. Needles to say, I laughed my tail off and do believe he honestly would probably remember him.
Mar 28, 2005 07:39 pm I don't necessarily think that 'true art' and 'pure entertainment’ have to be mutually exclusive. But i see your point.
Thinking about it there does seem to be a bit of a lull in the overall quality of Music these days.
In Australia this has been proven in the 'Lab' we call Australian Idol! The past two winners are just plain bad and indicitive of the lack of talent floating around these days.
'Just add water' Music is alwasy going to dominate the Market coz the Kiddies just love it but there a few genuine groups poking their head up.
I think this is a great thread WYD as i've often thought of this myslef!
Mar 28, 2005 07:43 pm excellent point man!! i didn't think of it as that...i remember Manson said somethin' like that. he was havin' trouble moving from 'artist' to 'entertainer' and it was a total transition for him. i donno no though, if ya think about it, entertainment is an art. think how much artistry and work into making a movie. lots of art there, but it's for entertainment. (i think). i think the 'line' lies at the point where entertainment's goal is "keeping ones attention as long as possible"...that's about where things go to crap.
Mar 28, 2005 11:04 pm I feel if one truly understands the artist, it is entertainment. I don't mean flashy, MTV-esqe "entertainment". But, entertainment in the purest form. Loving the music because it affects you in an emotional and/or physical way...
As I've said before, I am a very big reggae, ska, rocksteady, and dub musician and fan of the music. In this genre there are(were) bands that played "fun", poppy, silly, brands of ska music laden with checkers, silly hats, odd song titles, and pink guitars. (See Reel Big Fish as an example). Sure, it sells but you'll find that it does not last. It's gimmicky and grows old. Very old. (It also as well gives off negitive feelings and beliefs about the music- but that's another post). But, there are bands that do it right. They play the music straight up, with all of thier hearts, with everything they have, with no facade, and all honestly. These bands last. The Skatalites were the first band to make ska music popular and they still tour today (over 30 years!). My favorite band, The Slackers, have been mixing reggae & ska together with american music since 1991 and they are stronger than ever. But, if you look at bands from the "ska-explosion" of the middle/late 90's, few, if any, are still around. Most went punk/rock to stay afloat, others died, & some continuted but give lacklucster performances and small turnouts.
Sorry for the rant but this is a large part of playing this genre. It seems its always a fight to play this music because there are/were so many bands that tried to be more of gimmicy entertainers rather than musicians. It goes to show that caring for your music and your music only may seem rough sometimes, but I believe it's the most respectable road to go and the most successful over all.
Mar 29, 2005 12:01 am Thank you for starting this thread! I cant stand to turn on the radio anymore. Then you have MTV, MTV2 and VH1 ahhgg, what a waste of time any of those channels are these days. I'm a rock and roll kind of guy but I like all kinds of music. In fact the other day on the way to work I was bored out of my mind with the local rock station so I thought I would switch over to see what was on the country station and that was even worse. Man the only thing that seperates country from the rest of the cookie cutter pop is a twangy strat! The last time I bought a new CD was the latest Steve Vai and I wont hold my breath on hearing that on the air anytime soon. After my little rant I will say that this is still hope. I like Norah Jones and she somehow slipped past the pop police.
Mar 29, 2005 04:18 am theyre stil out there. they dont show up on top often enough because of other factors. but if you dig around like i do, its stunning how many great bands are out there that you'd never be exposed to naturally. tomahawk, for instance, off the top of my head. the jesus lizard guitarist and mike patton. only patton fans would know about this dream lineup.
Mar 29, 2005 01:07 pm why settle for mainstream music? theres so many outlets to get your hands on great indie stuff these days(emusic.com & cdbaby.com are my favs), i see no need for the manufactured radio crap.
Mar 29, 2005 01:10 pm yeah i know, i listen to streamning music from Europe most of the time, but still i think it reflects negatively on modern American culture.
Mar 29, 2005 01:14 pm I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder. People naturally think what spoke to them and moved them as a youngster (for me it was Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Judas Priest, Molly Hatchet, ZZ Top and others) is the best, and nobody afterward will compare..My dad felt it was a bunch of old country people who's names I forget...
It's natural, and it's unfair to label anyone as anything unless you personally know them. Britney, Christina, Jessica, etc were singing and dancing from the time they were little kids, the industry got a hold of them and marketed the crap out of them, but who are you or anyone else to say they don't have a passion for what they do just because you don't see it?
Personally, I am sick and tired of listening to people ***** and whine about and current condition of [insert art form here]. Things move on, change and morph over time, nobody makes you listen to it or watch it. If you don't like it, don't.
Just because it doesn't speak to you doesn't mean it isn't the anthem of the next generation...
I won't sit and dis many of the bands mentioned here even tho I think they friggin suck, cuz obviously a lot of people like them, the same should be given to the next generation...
Mar 29, 2005 01:20 pm i guess i'm just not old enough to realize that yet!
§=oP
Mar 29, 2005 01:23 pm and no offence about the old thing, wise can easiy be substuted it...as the years go by, perspective changes.
Mar 29, 2005 01:24 pm well, think about it, is there any art that speaks to everyone? no, there isn't, does the fact you dislike it make it less of an art? no it doesn't.
Believe it or not not everybody judges music for the music itself, it's entertainment...if you don't like it, move on to the next...and don't piss on the parade of those that do like it.
I hate Pantera, I find it rediculas and quite laughable, I liked exactly ONE single album of Metallica's the rest I found garbage, but hey, you and many others like them, do I write them off as not an art, no I don't...just not MY kind of art.
Mar 29, 2005 01:24 pm if only i could learn to spell!!! lol go Tennesee public schools!
Mar 29, 2005 01:24 pm "Old" is the guy saying "all this new music is just ****** noize!"
that would be you :-)
Mar 29, 2005 01:37 pm This topic really hits home with me right now...
I turn on the radio and listen for a while... while there are some elements that I enjoy, most of it seems like product churned out to make some quick cash. To me it is a lot like the ceramic pig in my mom's kitchen. Granted, it IS art and people enjoy it but it doesn't captivate me.
On the other side of things, I listened to the new Bjork album featuring Razel who does all the beats vocally. This is art too. It's more abstract in nature and it really impressed me, BUT for the most part it is kinda hard to listen to. I will compare this style of music to an artist's painting that has no real agenda other to see what would happen like using only hues of blue and seeing what he can do with it.
I really have no point with this... it's just something I have had in my mind lately. I hope I can figure out what I'm looking for.
Mar 29, 2005 01:41 pm oh i understand completely (i'm an artsy-fartsy left winger) but the homoginazation of "pop music" is sickening to me. music for the masses is, for lack of a better phrase, dumbed down so that everyone (even non-musicians) can understand it....sure now you have 99% of the population that consider themselves music 'lovers'....but at what cost? back before all this in Mozart's time, there was a sense of culture and intelectualism that came with enjoying music. most "pesents" of the day didn't give a lick about music and that was ok. it just seems like, in order to sell more music to more people, we've made music "more accessable"
this, i think is bad for human art and culture. not only does it lower our expectations of what a "musician" should be by the masses, it slows down the progression of ummm damnit "good art" (lol) by not letting more true musical prodigy's make a living, and forcing them to struggle to make a living, which leads to less art. ya know what i'm tryin' to say??
yeah we can/have go/gone in circles about this, but cheap american "pop art" does humanity a disservice when it's done with the sole purpose to make a dollar.
Mar 29, 2005 01:46 pm I totally understand what your saying, I understand what everybody is saying every time this ****** subject comes up (which is every couple of months).
Simple solution, don't ****** buy it and don't ****** listen to it...just like bad TV, don't turn it on. There, done deal. And then let the people that enjoy it...enjoy it...cuz they also have the right to.
Mar 29, 2005 01:50 pm the very funny part of these discussions is that everything said about "todays music" is the same damn thing my dad said about my music when I was a kid...it's nothing new, it's the generational changes, thats all...these kids will say it about their kids music.
Mar 29, 2005 01:55 pm yeah i see that too...i'm gonna hafta smack some little whipper-snapper around when he starts saying how much modern music sucks and how it was so pure when Disturbed was on top. lol
Mar 29, 2005 03:39 pm i think there are two sides to this issue, which is confusing to me. on the one hand, it's a matter of taste. on the other hand, i think you can make an objective case that market driven music objectively sucks. the problem is, you have to evoke a context to prove it, and the context comes from your own value system. but i still think it can be done. using set theory, of all things. where the totality of real music lovers who have trained powers of discrimination intersects with the set of people who like (insert band x, y, or z here). imagine the lopsidedness of the resultant circles.
strength in numbers would make this objective case. you'd also need, though, a self-inventory of discriminative ability: i.e. how much you care about what you're listening to/how much you seek out new music/how big a part of your life music is. to separate those who care (who are more likely to agree on what constitutes good music, even if they dont *like* the particular genre being examined) from those who don't (who will buy anything if it's marketed right and seems cool to them.) i believe the results would strongly suggest that the mass market stuff is just simply LCD: lowest common denominator music. i believe we are essentially talking about *two seperate things*. when you try to compare one band against a highly marketed-type band, you're almost comparing music to visual art or something even weirder: the sale of archetypes to impressionable kids.
these are apples and oranges.
i wont try to really prove it, though.
i have no idea what i just wrote, due to being groggy as hell right now. goodbye.
Mar 29, 2005 03:48 pm I disagree, I think people are often clouded by their own bias and prejudice and that plays a factor as well. Much of the market driven music, while just that, market driven music, is still catchy music that can stick in your head if you let it...no different than commercial jingles...and writting music like that is surely a skill I wish I possessed.
And there is no way anyone could tell me that a lot of the satanic/death metal/heavy metal type of music isn't market driven, it's just a different market targetting other people...
Marilyn Manson...come on now, to quote "This is Spinal Tap", the musical growth rate can't even be charted. There is nothing ingenious about it...he is a marketing success, not a musical visionary...Hell, isn't any band that sells t-shirts, action figures, posters and so on a market driven band as well?
Again, just because you are not in the target market(or are the target market), does not mean it is or isn't any more or less of a market...it's ALL market...
Britney Spears targets one market and exploits it, Marilyn Manson another, Pantera another, and so on...there is no difference.
Mar 29, 2005 03:54 pm Thank the stars for the internet, because it has become my single most important tool for eschewing TV and radio's impression of what I need to be listening to. Finally there's a tool that lets me investigate what all music is out there and come to my own conclusions about what I like. The internet has absolutely caused an explosion in my tastes in music.
Another great outlet is public radio. Here in KC, there are several university-run and sponsored public radio stations. Take a stroll through the lower end of your dial one of these days and, even if the station isn't playing your kind of music at the time, take a note of what all public stations are broadcasting. Then go to their webistes and take a look at their program list. Maybe there's something on a 3 AM on Sundays that plays your kind of music :)
Mar 29, 2005 04:02 pm Hear Hear Tadpui!!! i'm a fellow public radio junkie/soon to be member....it's all i listen to (besides the occasional conservitave clearchannel talk station) and not necessarily NPR, but them college stations!! man oh man, i hafta keep a pen and paper handy at all times, cuz you never know what they'll play next.
Mar 29, 2005 04:08 pm Go metallica...
I am one who is clouded by my own bias...Same as millions of others...Most people like me associate music with sentimental periods throughout their life...and thats why you have that hangup most times....
I have my biases but I understand the spectrum is far beyond my breaches...I never knew Hendrix played a right handed guitar, stringed upside down,...left handed...To me that's fascinating...And its part of why I look back at musics roots rather than pay attention to the trends that occur now...There was so much more originallity then because not everything back then was a friggin preset...
Its alot like my field now...Drafting...its all on computer, youd be amazed at what this stuff can do...but I miss the pencil paper days because drafters could input their own flare into the drawing....letters, numbers, details...nowadays its cold and lifeless, like alot of the recordings that come out...
I just like uniqueness...its a part of music today that benefits the local underground gigs...and lacks greatly in the big market...Speaking of which...It makes me wish I was more up on the local gig scene....
Mar 29, 2005 04:25 pm "Much of the market driven music, while just that, market driven music, is still catchy music that can stick in your head if you let it...no different than commercial jingles."
-->i disagree. catchiness is only part of the equation. slickness is another part. its a hard thing to describe, but the best way, perhaps, is the sense you get when watching a movie that was designed by 'committee.' there is something sucked out of the kind of music we're talking about here. life, i think. originality. when a new band emulates an archetype we've all seen before, that is not creativity: that is engineering. any number of angry white boy bands are guilty of this.
"And there is no way anyone could tell me that a lot of the satanic/death metal/heavy metal type of music isn't market driven, it's just a different market targetting other people..."
--->thats one way of looking at it. *everything* is market driven, though, if you look at it that way. these are niche markets, however. i love my jeep, but that's because i'm a jeep lover. sheer bulk of sales, as a drive, cannot help but corrupt.
"Marilyn Manson...he is a marketing success, not a musical visionary...Hell, isn't any band that sells t-shirts, action figures, posters and so on a market driven band as well?"
--->he is no different from aguilera or spears in terms of marketing. except that his band and its marketing are his own visions. antichrist superstar has an equal amount in common with britney spears and neitzsche.
Mar 29, 2005 05:14 pm nobody but musician's appreciate the where's and how's of music, everybody else just wants the "catchy".
Mar 29, 2005 07:35 pm 30 entries and no has said "why can't we just get along" yet . I think I've seen about 10 or 20 of these threads on here and the out come doesn't seem to change. There will always be bitches and complaints about music , if there wasn't the vareity of flavor with music this would be a very bland world. Watch what you want listen to what you want , very simple. There is an art form to anything if you break it down, not just any common joe can churn out a #1 on the Pop charts. We all play or record becuase there is some aspect that we love and that drives us to be artisic to a degree . I point is if there's a possibility someones going to *****, they will it's the nature of the beast.
Mar 29, 2005 07:41 pm funny thing is, i don't think anyone really got too steamed (yet)....yeah i know i know we're that cool here at HRC! §=oP
Mar 29, 2005 07:48 pm very true , HRC is a cool place. I've seen good threads gone bad too where dB has come with the wrath of the net god and banned and locked thread. Hmm when good threads go bad ,sound like a Fox special .
Mar 29, 2005 08:16 pm "When good threads go bad"
Now That's funny!
Mar 29, 2005 08:36 pm nobody but musician's appreciate the where's and how's of music, everybody else just wants the "catchy".
---that's not true. i know a lot of music fans who dont play, and they can sense 'fake' instantly. it's all in the packaging. stifled, DOA.
and yes there is an art to writing a pop song--i'll be the first to go along with that. but there's a difference between a mass market product and a product done for its own sake. its the difference between kraft singles and deli-cut sharp cheddar. the same on the surface, but oh so different.
argument is healthy. this topic does come up a lot, but i dunno. i dont get tired of it. and everyone's so nice here.
Mar 29, 2005 09:39 pm "fake" is relative...
I have been tired of this stupid argument for years, "fake", "sold out", whatever, it's all stupid. Music is a business, deal with it. That's the way I look at it. It's not anyone business to label anyone else's music as "fake" as it's very real to them regardless of packaging...it's all relative. It's the same argument that goes from generation to generation and always will...
Mar 29, 2005 10:20 pm Quote:
Its alot like my field now...Drafting...its all on computer, youd be amazed at what this stuff can do...but I miss the pencil paper days because drafters could input their own flare into the drawing....letters, numbers, details...nowadays its cold and lifeless, like alot of the recordings that come out...
wow jason youre a drafter? im a civil design technician, been using autocad for 15 years.
having said that, im going to have to disagree with you on "the pencil and paper thing", ive done some pretty amazing artsy drawings in CAD, lots of land planning color drawings..it can be done, plus when you need to make changes per the client at 4:00pm on friday for a 5:00pm submittal its alot easier :)
im 35 and i love yesterdays, todays and tomorrows music.!!!!!
boy bands, christina and the radio driven mainstream stuff has always been around, its nothing new people, remember menudo,(sp.) new kids on the block. this crap has always been around,its what you call entertainment for kids, would i consider it music? hell no, if you just dance around and lip sync in a live setting that equals entertainment, sort of like pro wrestling just entertainment.
can you really lump britney spears in with black sabbath, rush, pantera, ill even throw in metallica. i guess i feel like these bands got together played hard started something vs. being given something on a silver platter?!?
:)
for the love of god use the internet to find some music on your own, turn off the tv and open a book!
and to myself turn off the ******* internet and do something more constructive!!!
peace
Mar 29, 2005 10:59 pm Britney Spears (as long as she is the current example) has been singing professionally since her days in the Mickey Mouse Club as a very young child...I'd say she worked friggin hard. Moreover, I could lump britney, pantera and metallica together cuz I don't personally like any of them...so they are together in the "what dB doesn't like" lump :-)
Please Note Sarcasm:
More importantly, out of all the "who sold out and who deserves success" threads, I think the entire debate will be solved right here in this very thread and I want to thank you all for allowing me to be part of it.
Mar 29, 2005 11:25 pm You know its not that I have a problem with Britany or any other flavor of the week for that matter. The thing that bothers me is there is some much music out there that we really dont need to hear her every 45 minutes. I can go along with what dB said above about music still being art even if its not ones taste. Fair enough. I think the problem is more a matter of how difficult it is to hear the music others want to hear if the stations only play the top songs from the top 20 "now" bands all day long. I know, just turn it off. I guess thats the only option. It just sucks that there are not more options.
Mar 29, 2005 11:37 pm satilite radio ,rocks bro. and my cd's get a good work out too .
Mar 29, 2005 11:52 pm I glad you brought that up Geoff. I have been thinking about XM or something along those lines but I was a little nervous that I would then be paying for the same thing I'm get for free on FM. Do they mix it up a litte more than FM?
Mar 30, 2005 12:02 am I'm happy with serious , it came free for a year with my car but i think I'll pay for it when it's time to pay up. I go on a lot of road trips so it's a god send ,especially when driving through the desert or states like wyoming .
Mar 30, 2005 06:33 am I said it before, I say it again...
Everything is relative as far as I can see. I hate lots of what I deem plastic, throw away music cause I deem it crap. Poorly written, poorly produced, over compressed and generally rubbish. TO ME...
My ONLY problem with this is, NOT what the crap is and who makes it (Tho there are some I hate for sure) but the ******** who tell ME that this IS good music..those who presume to know what good music is because OTHERS tell them its good.
Its like, this is great geetarin and its some twat picking a couple of notes and bending em, movin his head and looking like a geetar hero - NO - ITS CRAP!! TO ME... but I really HATE people telling me what good music is. Thats why I hate much of todays music and also, on an equal par, todays press (which I dont buy for that reason).
I am a human being with a healthy mind (ish!!:-). I can think for maself..I dont need no journalist starting a revolution telling me what to like/dislike when I know it WONT change history...I guess what I am saying is we all KNOW what is, and will be, remembered and noted.
I guess some people will always have an opinion but some are clearly wrong ie.. this dude is technically gifted when in fact, they are not. OR xyz can sing when in fact its another Antares Autotune job!!!!
Anyways..peace to ye all...all the best
Coco.
Mar 30, 2005 06:46 am Yeah, which business is wrecking it more all you conspiracy theorists...
1- The artists performing it - it's their job to make money so they are performing what what will
2- The labels - who also have a job to do
3- The radio stations
4- The parents that allow the craziness to go on
5- The kids that buy it up
There is more than one level to making it all work...
Mar 30, 2005 07:56 am [quote]Please Note Sarcasm:
More importantly, out of all the "who sold out and who deserves success" threads, I think the entire debate will be solved right here in this very thread and I want to thank you all for allowing me to be part of it.[/quote]
now that is funny!! lol!
Mar 30, 2005 08:15 am john cage, and not the guy from mortal kombat. talk about modern and um... questionable...
Mar 30, 2005 10:16 am Usually the local christian rock station (radioU) plays a good mix... but it comes in phases... right now it's split. I like to think I can appreciate all forms of music ... even pop and country... for example: There is a band called Superchick that is a poppy funk flavor...generally not my thing, but I'm hooked... then there is another band who has a song with litterally 3 lines...
If you want it then say so
If you want it then let go
Whats it gonna take to break that hold.
I absolutly hate that song...
however I don't absolutly hate this painting...
www.guggenheimcollection...._md_133A_1.html
I just wouldn't buy it. :)
Mar 30, 2005 10:24 am ya know, there is a lot of the Christian music scene I really dig. I spent a lot of time working as a body guard and stage security for a lot of acts years ago and found some interesting cultural differences between the Christian music scene and secular pop (I mean besides the lyrical content).
Christain music fans seem to be far more accepting of other genre's, it wasn't that unusual to see a Ska band tour with a heavy metal band, or the pop princess open for a punk band...and everybody dug all of it...and you rarely heard the "sold out" or "fake" argument, even though, from what I have seen, it exists as much as in secular music...
Yet in the secular music world you get these people that "hate [insert genre]" and simply refuse to give it credit as being an acceptable, inspired form a music...
I dunno what I am trying to say, I just find it kinda funny...and says more about the fans than the music.
Mar 30, 2005 11:04 am I hate country. I dont refuse to give it credit as being an acceptable inspired form of music, I just want to gouge my ears out whenever I hear it. It doesnt speak to me, it doesnt inspire me. In fact, It reminds me of all the people that I never liked growing up. come to think of it... maybe thats why I hate it so much. association. hmm. thats an interesting point.
Mar 30, 2005 11:07 am I listen to everything, well, most everything...
This month I went to see Motley Crew, last monthy I went to the orchestra, a few months ago I went to see the Dixie Chicks, I have been to pop concerts, Country festivals, rock festivals...it all has it's place the way I see it and it's all very cool and unique with a culture and fan base all their own.
I prefer old school rock but I can appreciate anything.
Mar 30, 2005 11:15 am Quote: wow jason youre a drafter? im a civil design technician, been using autocad for 15 years.
having said that, im going to have to disagree with you on "the pencil and paper thing", ive done some pretty amazing artsy drawings in CAD, lots of land planning color drawings..it can be done, plus when you need to make changes per the client at 4:00pm on friday for a 5:00pm submittal its alot easier..
Well I did note that the CAD stuff can do some amazing things. With Architectural Desktop, VIZ and such you can creat some awesome stuff...I agree...if we didn't have CAD those deadlines couldn't be met...nor would they be expected if done manually...Before my time or not, I adore the "old school" roots when things weren't so technology/computer driven...
As for the rest of this topic...its endless and I guess another point of view....another voice isn't going to help matters...Everyone has their views.
Music is a constant revolving door...some people say longer than others...some exit right away.
Mar 30, 2005 06:35 pm Quote:
I hate country. I dont refuse to give it credit as being an acceptable inspired form of music, I just want to gouge my ears out whenever I hear it. It doesnt speak to me, it doesnt inspire me
have you tried to listen to bands like
16 horsepower, old 97's or the gourds?? or how about Neko Case??? at least check the pop band neko case is in called "the new pornographers" great stuff!!!!
Mar 30, 2005 07:13 pm Good bands, xtc. that's all stuff that I'd call "alt-country", which I consider to be far far away from the pop country smegma that you hear on the radio. I can actually stand alt country. Hell, I wrote an entire alt country album 3 years before I even know what it was :-)
In that genre, I think of Uncle Tupelo (and by association Wilco and Son Volt), The Jayhawks, Ryan Adams, Iron & Wine, My Morning Jacket, plus the bands that you mentioned. I like a lot of stuff from that genre, although a local radio station that got into that stuff found an entire area of that genre that is the most boring, uninspiring tripe I've heard in a while. It's like pop country that sucked too bad to be popular, so they just lumped it in with alt. country.
Mar 30, 2005 07:21 pm i think 'fake' is objective. there are now certain signposts.
Mar 30, 2005 07:49 pm smegma is such a great word! :)
Mar 30, 2005 09:41 pm Tadpui, how could you mention Uncle Tupelo, Wilco, The Jayhawks and SonVolt yet forget about the supergroup that was comprised of members of several of those stellar bands, and one edgey hard rocker guitar player. I am talking about Golden Smog! That band was a great brain trust of members of several bands, who all appreciated each other for what they had done, and where they came from. It was not everybody's cup of tea mind you, but they were great.
Anyway, I wont repeat things that have been said here. I will just say I am glad I am me, and have the attitude I have about listening to music. I will listen to anything, and I do mean anything. I enjoy going to noisey loud concerts with my sons as well as taking them to the more cultered concerts. Tuna took me to the ButterBall this last november to see Korn, Skindread and several other hard rock bands. Now this summer he asked that I return the favor and take him to see Carlos Santana. His reason for wanting to see Carlos is because he feels he is one of the most influental guitar players of this century. Now this is a 15 year kid, who on any given day will go from listening to some avantgarde techno, to Slipknot, to Motley Crew, to Johnny Cash, to NWA, and then top it off with some Spyro Gyra. Now I cant say if it is because he grew up listening to all the differant music I did and just figures that is OK, or did he develop those tastes all on his own.
Either way, I am proud to see him turn his friends on to many differant types of music, and tell them it is OK to be open to listen to anything, and not put down something because it is not their favorite type of music. He listens to music, because it is music, not because someone else thinks its the flavor of the day. He could care less if someone rides him about listening to Sonia Dada which is a very funk fusion jazz and. He will simply tell them to listen for a bit and give it a chance. And then will explain why he likes a certain part of the tune, and get them to listen to the details. Soon they are grooving right along with him. Or if its headbanging, they will be jumpin right along side him.
Anyway, long rant shortened, music is music and just that. If you dont like something, then dont listen. But never, ever critisize someone for their choice of music.
And on closing, I am proudest of the fact both my youngest sons love to turn their friends on to the music on HRC. They love to come in here and listen to tunes you peeps put up either for critique, or just for listening. And I can honestly say, neither one of them have ever said anything bad about anyones tunes here. They will simply comment on things like, needs more bass, or drums louder, or what ever. It is up to us to bring up the new generation of music listeners, and let them find out there is something good in all types of music.
Peace,
Noize2U
Mar 30, 2005 09:42 pm for good christian pop go here--> mywebpages.comcast.net/rickaltizer/
adrian belew plays on most of his stuff..
Mar 30, 2005 09:44 pm Quote:
Now this is a 15 year kid, who on any given day will go from listening to some avantgarde techno, to Slipknot, to Motley Crew, to Johnny Cash, to NWA, and then top it off with some Spyro Gyra
good job noize you have raised him well!! diversity is what this life is all about.
May 10, 2005 11:41 am this months issue of mix mag dedicated a WHOLE ISSUE to this very subject! i think they were spying on us....
mixonline.com/current_issue/
excellent read friends!
real page turner, i read the whole mag in one s(h)itting.
May 10, 2005 12:34 pm nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! the modern art tread is alive, alive!! :)
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