Oct 10, 2007 05:40 pm :: sigh ::
Teen opens fire in school
Posted on Oct 10, 2007 05:35 pm
Bleak
A small pie will soon be eaten
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www.smh.com.au/news/world...1696023670.html
Again???
What is going on over there?
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Oct 10, 2007 05:46 pm I blame it on the pressure and tension created by the RIAA.
Oct 10, 2007 06:33 pm Quote:
:: sigh ::
I agree, dB-Wan. I agree.
Okay, please stop reading here if you might be offended by a little [quasi political] rant about gun control......
There isn't any.
I do, however, wholeheartedly support your inalienable right to carry a flintlock, muzzle loading, single shot musket...
Lobby for sleeveless t-shirts. That will give you the right to bare arms.
Doesn't a bucketload of soldiers, tanks, F-22's, and nuclear subs deployed to all corners of the earth count as a "Well armed militia"?
Sorry, I just grew up away from the gun mentality (in the UK). It's all a bit scary to me that guns are so prevalent; so easily obtained.
Guns don't kill people, it's the f***ing bullets. Keep your guns, ban bullets.
Okay, I'll stop. After all, if I don't agree, I'm "one of them."
Tsk.
My heart goes out to all involved. Very sad.
Oct 10, 2007 06:38 pm This story has been in the news here in Wisconsin:
edition.cnn.com/2007/US/1...ef=mpstoryemail
It's an F'ed up world.
Oct 10, 2007 06:44 pm Great. Assault rifles... Oh, goody.
Tsk.
Oct 10, 2007 06:50 pm Tallchap i'm with you mate.
Firearms should just be outright banned. It's very simple.
If you're a member of a pistol club then you must leave the gun on the premises.
"but i'm a hunter and aint no one gunna take's me gun froms me"
Well then you must pick up you're gun from a gun/pistol club and register where you are hunting and for how long then return it.
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do, however, wholeheartedly support your inalienable right to carry a flintlock, muzzle loading, single shot musket...
Classic !!! LOL
So to wrap up BAN GUNS.
I am right, that's a fact, anyone that disagrees is wrong. simple
Problem solved
Oct 10, 2007 06:56 pm I went to a jams session at this one cats house that had to leave his assalt rifle laying out to look like a badass, or something. I mean, why would you leave something like that out for a complete stranger to see? @#$hole. The guy 'sucked' at guitar as if he was out to defined the word... and the drummer he had lined-up bled all over his kit from playing so hard/loud/wrong.
Oct 10, 2007 06:56 pm From Men in Black:
Bug: Place projectile weapon on the ground.
Edgar: You can have my gun, when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
Bug: Your proposal is acceptable.
There's always somebody or something bigger and badder.
Oct 10, 2007 07:12 pm Have a go at these toss pots!
www.militia-of-florida.com/rkba_images/index.html
Oct 10, 2007 07:41 pm Funny how the leftie pinko socialist peeps that always complain about the gov't taking away all the people "rights" are the first ones that want to take away the right to bear arms.
Hypocrites.
If people start raising their kids right, punishing criminals, killing people that kill others and actually hold people responsible for their actions instead of finding "reasons" they did it to justify the actions, maybe people would begin to think twice...if they don't, they get juiced...simple as that.
Rather than taking the knee-jerk approach of screaming "outlaw it" as soon something becomes a problem, maybe step back and look at the bigger picture...it's rarely that simple. This isn't a gun issue, this is a society issue...
Oct 10, 2007 08:25 pm LPSP aren't going to be holding any guns if the SHTF, anyway.
Oct 10, 2007 09:47 pm I wonder why people throw rocks during protests against military dictatorships right before they get crushed... hmm...
Oct 11, 2007 09:04 am From the story of this I have heard, this is a kid with serious anger problems, this happened in a "troubled teen" type school as well...the kid obviously has issues with authority and can't accept discipline.
These schools that have notably troubled kids and don't have metal detectors or something like that seems odd too.
Again, it's not the gun, it's the person holding holding it that needs a little banning.
Oct 11, 2007 09:22 am So we find out that this shooter was one of the few white kids in a predominantly black school and his last name was Coon. An interesting set of dynamics possible there…
As far as banning guns goes…tee hee…forget it. As we saw with Prohibition in the 1920s and see now with the illegal drug problem, banning an addictive substance doesn’t solve a damn thing. And too many Americans are addicted to guns. Weapons have been entrenched into the culture here since the Revolutionary War. Some folks will tell you that they’re right up there with God.
You might as well ask America to nail the church doors shut.
This post was for the out-of-towners.
Oct 11, 2007 10:15 am I'll accept not banning guns, but maybe a bit more control over the ammunition wouldn't be amiss. The manufacturers know how much of each type they make (right?) and where they ship it. Hold those who don't keep an eye that stuff accountable.
Funny how Semtex-C5 is produced in one factory in the Czech Republic, but it seems to fall into the wrong hands at an astounding rate. Every nutter with a plot seems to be able to get it. Do they have kiosks set up for the stuff?
Also, if you're a hunter do you really need an assault rifle? Perhaps I'm wrong. I case that little deer suddenly starts throwing grenades and mortoring your position.
I agree with the analogy of the prohibition. Good point. But few people walk into a school/McDonalds and open fire with a bottle of gin. Maybe they could menacingly wave a joint about.
The difference is that guns tend to kill other people, not the user. Same can't be said for drugs/alcohol.
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leftie pinko socialist peeps
Huh?
Me?
I think people would be shocked at how rarely these shooting would occur if there were fewer guns accessible.
Oct 11, 2007 10:17 am Quote:
and the drummer he had lined-up bled all over his kit from playing so hard/loud/wrong.
Bwahahahaha
Oct 11, 2007 10:35 am There is one huge problem, what is an "assault rifle"? Who classifies these things. Last time these brilliant politicians puffed themselves up and past laws, guns were being categorized by people that know nothing about guns.
Assault rifles were, by one classification, anything with a foldable stock...well, I once had a pellet gun with a foldable stock...
Obviously, fully automatic weapons are not necessary, so people ban them, they are the same idiots that don't know it takes about 5 minutes to turn a semi-auto into a fully-auto in some cases.
Honestly, banning guns I would doubt would have any impact at all, other than increase the number of stabbings, then we'd need to go into everyone's kitchens and take away their knives.
Banning doesn't work, suck it up and face it. Education, parenting and such does. Not only does America have a lot of guns, it's also has a increasing number of fatherless households, horribly declining public education system and lowering moral standards...yet nobody talks about how those come into play in this issue and other issues.
Oct 11, 2007 10:49 am The sad thing is that this type of thing isn't really even shocking any more. Very sad.
Oct 11, 2007 10:51 am TallChap, don't forget that we’re talking about the USA here. A country of nutbag whackjobs (NBWJs).
Illustration:
NBWJ Group A. Politicians and Congress. This group is terrified of losing the support and votes of NBWJ Group B.
NBWJ Group B. The public, including the constituents of NBWJ Group A. This group is paralyzed with fear of NBWJ Group C.
NBWJ Group C. Street criminals, the FBI, ATF, Red China, things that go bump in the night, etc. This group fears nothing except - apparently - a civilian militia.
See a pattern here? It’s a fear-driven society.
I hope this helps.
Oct 11, 2007 12:04 pm Okay, I do get what you're saying dB-Wan. There is a familial and social responsibility to educate and affirm moral standards to towards a peaceful end. Okay.
I grant you that.
"Hey kids, play nice, and don't touch my assault weapons, okay?"
Can we educate the public that gun control begins at home? Why are these kids always somehow able to get hold of grandpa's Uzi collection - and all the ammunition? Where's the responsibility?
Less guns, more stabbings? Not sure I concur. If someone goes 'postal' with a knife (and especially in this post 9/11 "let's roll" world), it's unlikely that they will kill anywhere near the number someone with, say, an Ak-47 would. You can usually use numbers and force to disarm a knife wielding maniac. A good gunman wouldn't let you come within 20' of them...
On that note, why do people (other than soldiers in combat) need automatic weapons. If you need a magazine-full to hit your target, you probably shouldn't be handling a weapon.
Home protection arguments only go so far.
Oct 11, 2007 12:14 pm As stated earlier, maybe not clearly, I understand the need to control some weapons, nobody needs fully automatic weapons, or shouldn't...I agree with you.
That said my "more stabbings" comment was mostly tongue in cheek but with a point, the point is crazy people are crazy people...if they don't have a gun they will use a knife, home made explosives or any other measure to do their deeds. Controlling the inanimate object isn't the solution.
These kids are often (though not always obviously) found to NOT be supervised or raised by their parents, they learn their life lessons from the TV they watch and the music they listen to the role models they choose to emulate. You proved the point there, it's starts in the home.
I was raised around guns my whole life...and if I even spoke of misusing one that thought was BEAT out of my head leaving no uncertainty to my fathers opinion of my thought.
It's sad, but ultimately I think the vast majority of the issues are due to families not doing their jobs...
Oct 11, 2007 01:20 pm Quote:
I think people would be shocked at how rarely these shooting would occur if there were fewer guns accessible.
I really doubt if that's true. Less shootings occur if the average citizen has a gun, and the criminals have a high chance of getting shot for pulling a gun on somebody or robbing a house with no fear of getting a shotgun blast to the face.
If I were a criminal and KNEW the people I was robbing wouldn't have a gun, I'd feel a whole lot better about running in there.
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It's sad, but ultimately I think the vast majority of the issues are due to families not doing their jobs...
So true, its not even funny anymore. Cho's parents had no idea he was messed up (I was at VT last year).
Wonder what would have happened if one of those teachers had something to fire back at him? Hmm?
Oct 11, 2007 01:27 pm Quote:
Wonder what would have happened if one of those teachers had something to fire back at him? Hmm?
There are always office supplies.
www.theindychannel.com/ed...783/detail.html
Oct 11, 2007 01:33 pm This is really a feudal conversation to have with other cultures, somethings are just different at a very basic level...this is one of those...
Oct 11, 2007 02:06 pm The aid made a threat, and the student called his/her bluff. haha.
That's mildly entertaining, actually. I bet the student didn't get in trouble for screwing off in class from the parent either...
Oct 11, 2007 03:00 pm guns are bad, um-k....my dad came out of nowhere with his loaded gun drawn and the safty off when me and my brother came home from a late night of drinking...this man eats Ambien every night, and pain killers during the day. he's got a permit to carry and is a member of a gun club....he's got an arsinal of roughly 20 guns and sometimes he looses one or two around the house...once i found one layin' out in the music store.....and he's STATE CERTIFIED AS SAFE!!! what a f'n joke.
guns are for ppl with small dicks, no brains, and some form of paranoia (judging by who carries them).
banning guns is easier than forcing families to raise ppl 'right'.
Oct 11, 2007 03:02 pm sticking a post-it note to your head isn't exactly what I would call screwing off...
...screwing off is wrapping the teachers desk with a 20ft bike lock... or overturning all the cans of pencils/markers... or rigging paper clips and clothspins to shoot pens out of drawers when opened...or locking multiple 20ft bike locks together to tie the teachers desk and all the chairs in a huge pile in the center of the room... or cover the floor with dixie cups that are tied together and fill them with water... or hide dead fish throughout the school library... or release crickets... or spell out cuss words with the cars in the parking lot... or repaint the parkinglot so the spaces are narrower... or play frisbee with old bassdrum heads in the quad... or take the broadswords out of theater class and have epic battles everywhere...
yeah... if a teaching aid can't deal with a post-it note they need a new career...
Oct 11, 2007 03:28 pm zek, teach me the paper clip and clothespin trick. That would come in handy here at the college.
Oct 11, 2007 03:51 pm My parents informed me that if I ever came home with a report that I was mouthing off or misbehaving to a teacher (the epic battles probably would have gotten a laugh), I'd get the tar beat out of me. The TA was stupid, yes, and needs a new career, yes. But the kid was being insubordinate to somebody they should have been treating with respect, or perhaps they were taught that the teachers aren't actually there for their own good?
Guns are also for hunting, sporting, law enforcement, military... etc. One unsafe person with a weapon doesn't make the entire population unsafe with weapons.
Oct 11, 2007 04:05 pm ... I'm trying to remember...
the basic one was fold a paperclip in half so it's 'springy' and then you can slide a pen in it and jam the 'spring' into the drawer as you close it...as the drawer is opened the spring is released along with the pen... easier to use on someone who quickly opens drawers all the way...
... there was another messier one that would scoop out the pen tray commonly found in teachers desks in the center drawer... I can't really remember it but I think a closepin was tied to the mechanism of the drawer (so the clothspin wouldn't move when the draw was pulled out) and paperclips were bent into a shovel to scoop out all of the pens and pencils when triggered... or the clothspin was made 'rigid' in the drawerwith ducttape and a paperclip was placed in the 'mouth' of the clothspin which was then pulled out to trigger it... it might have involved rubber bands...
it's complex 'mousetrap' type of thinking.
Oct 11, 2007 04:13 pm yes... the broadswords and fencing came up at the 10year reunion this year... got to inform an old friends new wife that he once stabbed me in the mouth with a foil. Fortunately my teeth stopped it... :)
Oct 11, 2007 04:24 pm there is one weird thing about guns, though. do you not believe that having a weapon can make you inclined to use it in some way? sometimes? notice what's happening with tasers. lots of ridiculous incidents that don't really require that level of force, or shouldn't. (yes, sometimes it's ok, but what's with this tasering of grandmas?)
so i wonder about peeps who are walking around with guns, knowing that the thing is right there should they want it. probably most gun users are careful, but plenty are dudes walking around feeling the power of having that thing at the ready, and i believe that sometimes just having one can make you inclined to reach for it when the 'right' situation comes along. IF you're that type of guy. like being disrespected or whatever.
that said, i also am not a gun-outlawer. i just believe that this happens in some cases but is not a general rule. more like a tendency for certain personalities.
Oct 11, 2007 04:40 pm This talk of the more people that have guns then the less likely they are to attacked/robbed or whatever is wraught with baad logic.
It's like two contries having missiles pointed at each other just so the other country knows that if they fire then they'll cop one right back.
If neither country had missiles then the likelyhood of a missile attack is NILL!
BAN GUNS !!!
If you're found with a gun you get 6 months jail off the bat!
That'll learn 'em
Oct 11, 2007 05:02 pm I think our gun laws in Canada are just fine as they are. I have two rifles. I learned how to use them properly in Grade 8. We have a course that you must take in order to receive a permit. That course takes several weeks to complete. I'm not saying that **** like this doesn't happen in Canada because it does. You cannot legally carry a loaded weapon in a car or in public. I think that consealed weapons should be banned whether it is a knife or a gun.
Oct 11, 2007 05:13 pm [size=1]................[/size]
[b]Oh, wouldn't you know it? Now the Hendersons have the bomb!
Oct 11, 2007 05:52 pm Quote:
This talk of the more people that have guns then the less likely they are to attacked/robbed or whatever is wraught with baad logic.
Perhaps, but it's also been proven in more than one American city...now I just need to find the studies I have seen that have proved it...carry permits have decreased crime.
Oct 11, 2007 05:56 pm When it rains, it pours.
Another 14-year-old.
www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/11...enal/index.html
Oct 11, 2007 06:06 pm See thats what i'm talking about!
If there were NO GUNS at all there would be NO GUN VIOLANCE.
How the f*^k does a 14 yo get a a 9 mm rifle with a laser scope???
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The boy's mother bought the assault rifle for him several weeks ago at a gun show
WTF?????
Thank Christ they stopped this.
Oct 11, 2007 06:07 pm Quote:
The boy's mother and father may face criminal charges pending an investigation, police said.
My first reaction was, awesome... now I'm not so sure. Very happy to hear that someone was on the ball and prevented this potential disaster.
Oct 11, 2007 06:11 pm Quote:
If there were NO GUNS at all there would be NO GUN VIOLANCE.
There would be loads of other violence...violent people do violent things, come on, if anyone honestly believes banning guns would magically make gun violence go away you're fools. Be serious...I mean really...
If you read that story mom should be in jail.
Oct 11, 2007 06:18 pm Quote:
if anyone honestly believes banning guns would magically make gun violence go away you're fools. Be serious...I mean really...
Incorrect.If there are no guns thereb can't possibly any gun violence. it's really very simple.
I'm not suggesting there won't be violence.
Virginia and colombine would have been far less tragic if the physco's had knives.
Oct 11, 2007 06:34 pm If there were no guns at all to even be banned, well, then duh there would be no gun violence, care to discuss what the world would be like if we each had a magical pixie with us as well?
Oct 11, 2007 06:37 pm you mean you don't?
Oct 11, 2007 07:02 pm Well, appearantly the 19 year old brother was taken out of the house in handcuffs this morning. Arrested for something I assume. Might be the family issue we were suggesting earlier in this thread.
As for me, I support gun control.
USE BOTH HANDS!
Oct 11, 2007 07:31 pm first off, this is a damn shame and my heart goes out to the families of the victems.
That said, I am a pinko lefty or whatever db said, but I do NOT feel that we should ban guns, or anything like that.
It's really simple here guys. This nation is in a horrible position on a whole, and certain people can't deal with certain things and snap in certain ways. Sad but true.
I am against taking away any civil liberty. We've had enough stripped as it is. The right to bear arms is not one I want to lose anytime soon.
Fact of the matter is: Bad upbringing of these kids result in this type of behaviour. A lot of emphasis is put on the parents when people make that statement, however I don't think the blame rests soley on their shoulders, because as we all know kids learn and take in from more sources than just mom and pop. We have to look at their entire society to point the finger. it's the fault of the parents, teachers, friends, everyone these kids interacted with for seeing this and allowing it to go on to a point where this type of tragedy happens.
Of course, there are some psychological issues to adress as well, and that's a whole nother problem. This country would rather medicate someone with something as simple as ADHD than to actually DEAL with the problem. War on drugs my ***.
And I think that is the core issue here. That when something happens it's far easier to throw blame around, or to medicate (aka drug up) than to actually DEAL with the issue
And this issue isn't one that's easy to deal with. The only resolution I see here is a completely revamped society in which people raise their children right, teach them basic right and wrong, educate them, and in general cut down the chances of this ever happening. It's not about outlawing guns, it's about creating a society that is mature enough and respectable enough to be able to have those guns.
And in closing, the amount of mass murders by a child with a gun are so small in comparison to the amount of guns in this country, and the amount of children with access to guns, that saying "lets ban guns because .25 percent of the kids with acess to it (or even less) are killing their classmates.
That's along the same vien as saying lets ban rope because one guy accidently tripped himself
Oct 11, 2007 07:34 pm The "right" should be replaced with the "priviledge" to bear arms. You should have to earn the priviledge not be born with a right. - imo of course
Oct 11, 2007 07:55 pm Funny how this doesn't happen as often in country's with stricter gun laws.......but hey, its always useful to have an assault rifle in the house, just for those everyday chores.
Oct 11, 2007 08:28 pm Quote:
but hey, its always useful to have an assault rifle in the house, just for those everyday chores
Do we have any Swiss that can chime in on this? :)
Oct 12, 2007 06:51 am Quote:
The "right" should be replaced with the "priviledge" to bear arms.
Now if we could just get that to apply to bearing children as well.
IMO, of course.
Oct 12, 2007 07:26 am Technically it is treated as a privilege, as it can be revoked. However, it's much like revoking a drivers license, it does not stop the person from driving.
Oct 12, 2007 10:50 am Quote:
The boy's mother bought the assault rifle for him several weeks ago at a gun show
Now, let's play with that sentence...
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The boy's mother bought the guitar for him several weeks ago at a guitar show
See the difference that made?
The world would be better if all gun owners were suddenly guitar owners
IMHO of course.
Now we'll lobby for guitar control...
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Funny how this doesn't happen as often in country's with stricter gun laws.......
Well, it does, but certainly not at the rate it seems to happen here. It happens much less often, and usually with less effective weapons. A bolt action hunting rifle or a shotgun isn't going to do as much damage as, say, a AR-15 (isn't that a 'civilian' M-16?).
The terrorists really don't need to be doing anything. We're already killing each other.
Well done there!
Oct 12, 2007 10:52 am I love the Google ads that are popping up in this thread...
Oct 12, 2007 11:02 am Funny how the "Sex Pistols Tickets" link fits right in too.
Oct 12, 2007 11:39 am those ads up there are different, those are just purchased little links...nothing "contextual" about them.
Oct 12, 2007 07:29 pm I like the one with the guy who can get you off from gun charges. Shows the world we live in doesn't it? The guy makes tons of money getting thugs off after they shoot some one, is that how your supposed to read that one?
Oct 12, 2007 07:59 pm the 'gun charge' is probably the Lautenberg Amendment which is a 'lifetime' ban on firearm possession for people convicted of domestic violence and certain restraining orders... apparently there is a loophole if you can get your criminal record expunged... (which can take a long time)
Only the military really enforces it as it leads to an administrative discharge (we did discuss that it doesn't actually effect crew served weapons during the run-up to Iraq)... so technically mk19 crews can be unaffected (I don't think the SAW is crew served)... we're not supposed to still be using the M60 (not sure if it was ever fazed out yet) ... led to a funny quote along the lines of "Sorry soldier. You beat you wife so you aren't allowed to carry a rifle or pistol... so take this fully automatic grenade launcher..."
... But the soldier would be listed on the roster as unqualified in a personal firearm and that makes the command look bad in the paperwork... and thats what matters usually...
Oct 13, 2007 04:09 am shouldn't every sovereign nation have the 'right' to carry nukes? if everyone had nukes maybe the world would be safer...cuz those of us good ppl with nukes can nuke a threat before it becomes too much of a problem, i'm sure every nations leaders would sleep better knowing they had nukes...as long as they can get proper 'nuke safety training' they can get a registered nuke at any local nuke trade show.....if guns are good, then nukes are better.
Oct 13, 2007 04:09 am Deleted By whosyourdaddy00
Oct 13, 2007 06:37 am In UK it's jail for five years just for carrying an illegal gun,but still people are getting shot.Not as many, but it's increasing.
Oct 13, 2007 10:00 am that's cuz the good 'ole gun manufactures over here are still makin' guns to sell to your folk. god bless, and happy hunting, and remember kids, always shoot before asking questions!
ye-haw!
Oct 16, 2007 12:31 am Columbine Australian Style
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The boy told her he had two knives and a machete but no guns
www.smh.com.au/news/natio...2300743695.html
See what happens (Or Doesn't) when GUNS ARE BANNED!!!
Oct 16, 2007 07:25 am well first there's a period where guns exist, then they rust out and fail over time, THEN they use the "scrap" metal to make MUCH more useful things like wheels and other great inventions....it's quite simple....quit making them, some will "last" but they WILL all die in the end, then you have a black market of BS 'guns' for a while, then 'they' realize that it's all in vein and weapons are dumb (or at least as dumb/weak as the people that use them)
then WE learn to function as a whole and start accomplishing things. until then, we're mere kids squabbling in a sandbox, and making NO progress.
Oct 16, 2007 07:26 am or at least slow progress.
Oct 16, 2007 07:27 am Quote:
then 'they' realize that it's all in vein and weapons are dumb (or at least as dumb/weak as the people that use them)
I take MAJOR offense to that ignorant, sweeping, judgmental statement made by somebody who in his own words can't even manage his own personal weaknesses to judge gun users as dumb/weak.
Oct 16, 2007 07:31 am bah! spelling aside, i made my point....and what's so offensive about "needing" a weapon? you're a man of hand to hand combat....it's TRUE the first one to produce a weapon IS the weak one.
Oct 16, 2007 07:35 am You make a sweeping statement about gun owners/users then sit and ***** and moan about people misunderstanding/judging potheads and crap in much the same way.
VERY hypocritical.
You have absolutely NO business saying who's weak and who's not in such a broad-brush manner. The first one to produce a weapon is the one that survives. Many say the first one to throw a punch is weak too...they are judgmental fools as well.
If a physical confrontation is eminent, hand to hand or weapons, you can be DAMN SURE I am going to do everything I can to get the first strike...
Oct 16, 2007 07:40 am Jesus, thats a bit harsh DB!
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... somebody who in his own words can't even manage his own personal weaknesses...
We all have a weakness but it most certainly doesn't mean we can't have an opinion.
You may take 'MAJOR offense' but i've gotta say it sounded kind of personal mate.
Have you had a bad day?
Oct 16, 2007 07:41 am you're comparing apples to oranges my friend!
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The first one to produce a weapon is the one that survives
if that's the case, so be it, then let North Korea nuke a major city in the world, because gosh darn it! a good offense is a good defense, so therefore THEY are justified....i dont' care if they're wrong or right....THEY ARE still justified...based on that concept.
Oct 16, 2007 07:42 am all harshness aside, it's all good! in my book.
Oct 16, 2007 07:43 am By the way, i deleted WYD's post coz his mouse is f***d
Oct 16, 2007 07:45 am LOL! i was trying to delete that one myself...
Oct 16, 2007 07:52 am Quote:
We all have a weakness but it most certainly doesn't mean we can't have an opinion.
Absolutely, everybody is entitled to have a hypocritical, sweeping judgmental opinion. Everybody is also entitled to call them out for the hypocrites that they are.
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you're comparing apples to oranges my friend!
Ummmmmmm, no more than you are...you are comparing gun policy to nukes...no more of apples to oranges than what I am saying.
You only read half my statement. If a confrontation is eminent being a key part...now producing for no reason...producing for no reason and killing innocent people for nothing is weak, ignorant and people that do should be killed...the PEOPLE should be punished. THAT is where the US is seriously lacking...it's taking responsibility for your actions.
That said, if I am confronted with somebody I feel is a danger to myself, my family, yes, I will strike first, fast and hard. It's my job to protect my family...and I WILL do so.
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You may take 'MAJOR offense' but i've gotta say it sounded kind of personal mate.
It is personal, he called me weak/dumb. If that isn't ****** personal I don't know what is.
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Have you had a bad day?
Not at all, wife and kids are on vacation, it's just me and the dog, I got a new job, more pay I start in two weeks...not having a bad day at all.
Oct 16, 2007 07:53 am I gotta remove that "deleted by" thing...I had a good reason for adding it once, I forgot why tho...
Oct 16, 2007 07:58 am Quote:
It is personal, he called me weak/dumb
WYD WTF???!!!
Is this true???
I missed that one
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gotta remove that "deleted by" thing.
Yeh,it makes things stand out unnessesarily
Oct 16, 2007 08:02 am weapons ARE weapons....some work better than others...or i should say more efficient than others. so how can one weapon be "ok" while others are "not"?
i stand by my above posts....weapons destroy, plain and simple....some are better at it than others, true. so i'm starting to think it's EVERY PERSONS "right" to carry a nuke.....it's a double standard saying "X weapon is good for everyone but Y is not, only certain "good people" have the "right" to arm themselves with the "BEST" weapon of all....which is a nuke...
you ARE saying the WORLD is "safer" if EVERYONE is armed....i disagree with that, my extracurricular activities have nothing on this issue.
Oct 16, 2007 08:06 am i too missed the weak/dumb thing myself......bleak! i have no idea what that's about. then again, i'm "under the influence" of alcohol.....not justifying, i'm just saying i may have missed that one.
Oct 16, 2007 08:07 am OK, that's fine, I am not going to sit and argue about it as it's a waste of time. Believe what you want, and no, you activities don't matter on the issue, but they do show your true color judging people in the same sweeping manner you think it's wrong that people judge you.
That's so hypocritical it's amusing.
Oct 16, 2007 08:11 am give me ONE example where i've said "any sweeping judgment is wrong"...
i don't think i've EVER said that
Oct 16, 2007 08:12 am Believe it or not, I actually respect everybody's right to their opinion, regardless of who you are or anything like that...if you believe guns are bad, great, that's fine, but when your opinions involve taking something away from me that I enjoy and have never misused or abused in anyway, or call me weak/dumb for doing so, then I have no choice but to get pissed.
YOU don't want to have a gun, don't thats fine, but you have no business telling me I can't have one until I have proven myself incapable of doing so. Much in the same way nobody has a right to tell you you can't smoke dope until you have proven yourself incapable of doing so without impacting somebody else...
With that, I'm done.
Oct 16, 2007 08:14 am .... How about them Rockies eh?
Gettig up over the .. um .. Diamond Backs!
eh?
Not bad i reckon!
Oct 16, 2007 08:14 am i can agree, and with that, i'll say it's North Korea's right to have a nuke.
fair is fair
Oct 16, 2007 08:17 am Did you know?, See i didn't know this but Webb's scoreless run has reached 42 inning's?
I've learn't something today!
Oct 16, 2007 08:21 am i'll take it a step further, based on that logic, and say it might be every individual's right to carry a nuke....after all, a well armed population is a safe one....yeah lets make weapons available to everyone! woopee we're all gonna die!
Oct 16, 2007 08:30 am ....delete this if i am carrying this too far...
i want a gun so i can kill others that don't think like me.
sorry to put it like that, but that's what weapons are about.....self defense wouldn't be so hard if guns weren't available to those that intend harm....yes "bad apples" are out there to take advantage, but our RACE *as in humanity* isn't gonna progress much if we keep killing eachother.....
man i really don't mean to keep this going like this, but i am very opinionated on the subject.
Oct 16, 2007 08:30 am Deleted By Bleak - Get a new mouse!!!!
Oct 16, 2007 08:31 am Am i allowed to say 'Gay' on this forum?
Oct 16, 2007 08:36 am WYD, you are being completely ridiculous at this point. You are carrying it to a stupid degree and not only that but looking rather stupid doing so.
If you really think everybody that has guns is so they can kill people that don't think like them than we are at a complete and total impass and you need to go to bed and sober up.
Oct 16, 2007 08:36 am [quote]
....delete this if i am carrying this too far...
i want a gun so i can kill others that don't think like me.[/quote]
You of all people should know HRC is not about censorship however that comment was a just a cheeky bit off centre.
I don't like guns and i carry on about it, but IF they are in responsable hands AND they are kept safe then no worries mate.
Oct 16, 2007 08:38 am yeah, i think it's about time i get a new mouse! thanks for keepin' it light Bleak!....
who's this "Webb" guy anyway?
Oct 16, 2007 08:41 am Quote:
everybody that has guns is so they can kill people
sorry, people and animals and 'targets'.......my bad, you're right, guns DO help us.
i'm done with this one...
it's all good dB, no ill feelings here, we simply disagree....i can deal with that.
Oct 16, 2007 08:43 am Mate, i have no idea.
But i understand he's doing very well!
Good on him i say.
Oct 16, 2007 08:46 am I can handle disagreement...that's fine by me.
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