Posted on Mar 29, 2007 07:00 am dbmasters Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
When I was a kid you were essentially a jock or a burnout...that was pretty much the extent of the social circles...each with subsets of metalheads and punkers, preppies and whatever..."valley" lasted a bout a week...
Last night my wife was talking to a friend on the phone and some of her kids friends were "Emo"...and my wife said "what the hell is Emo"...I know, there are a few here and I stammered and stuttered cuz I couldn't really put it into words...
To anyone, particularly any Emo's here...what words do you use to describe yourself?
Interesting, thanks. I knew the meaning of "emo", didn't know the association with cutting, thats kinda sad.
There are segments of every generation that has a rough life, I have found that generally the kids that make a spectacle out of it are the kids that don't have any REAL problems...the kids that do don't try to make a scene out of it.
Tadpui I am not a crook's head Member Since: Mar 14, 2003
Mar 29, 2007 09:02 am
I've mainly known it as a genre of music. Slow tempos, longer songs, general melancholy...Closely related to Shoegaze :)
shepherdsam patron saint of quality footwear Member Since: May 30, 2002
Mar 29, 2007 09:37 am
I wish my lawn was emo.
Maybe then it could just cut itself.
zekthedeadcow Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!! Member Since: May 11, 2002
Mar 29, 2007 09:44 am
..and has generally unintelligable lyrics :)
(not work friendly)
A good example is the main guy on Heros... he's often called 'emo guy'
and emos are required to have black hair that can cover their eyes.
as Hydrial69 said...they come in two forms. the cutters will generally try harder to make you think they're cool... example... if you have a tatoo...they _will_ comment on it... the rest keep to themselves but you can see their presence in the black wig market...
Sounds pretty much the same type of person we called "darksiders" when I was younger...
CptTripps Czar of Turd Polish Member Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 29, 2007 01:30 pm
Hehe, hydrial does indeed sport the emo bangs :)
On the rare occasion the band plays an all ages show (they are extremely fun) I am assaulted from every angle by emo bangs :) Most those kids are cool though, just doing what I did at that age (grunge) but in a different generation.
And then we have Screamo. Which is basically crybaby hardcore where you sing soft about how life sucks and then you get angry and scream it.
coolo Frisco's Most Underrated Member Since: Jan 28, 2003
Mar 29, 2007 02:40 pm
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There are segments of every generation that has a rough life, I have found that generally the kids that make a spectacle out of it are the kids that don't have any REAL problems...the kids that do don't try to make a scene out of it.[/quote]
I always think the kids that don't have any real problems never learn how to deal with them, so then when a little problem comes up, it seem huge, so then, whoa is them! Kids that have more real problems generally learn how to cope better at a younger age and tend to mock these "emo" types when they cry about how their parents don't understand them or some ****, as it seem so minor.
JF Omalycat I KNOW NOTHING Member Since: Jun 08, 2006
Mar 29, 2007 04:33 pm
I was playing a show back in....2000 (??), when I first heard the term. This band was opening up for us, and after watching our soundcheck, this guy comes up, starts gabbing and whatnot, and I asked him what kind of stuff their band was doing, he said "Emo".
"Emo? What's that?"
"You know, like, 'emotion', man."
"So.....waddaya guys do, like, cry on stage and stuff???"
He didn't like that much, and after a few more minutes of him trying to explain it to me, I said "Maybe it's time to ween yourself off the tit, pull up your pants, and be a man, dude?"
I swear his lips started quivering. Good times.
hmmm interesting tread, i think kids today (under 18) have it way harder than say 30 years ago, the younger generation today is thrusted into a culture where anything is game and they're free to explore just about any idea (via the internet) and at the same time get taken advantage of by some crazy idiot half the world away.
for lack of a better word, life back then was so much simpler. now kids are a whole demograph waiting to be tapped...so they are bombarded by pretty colors, and eye candy, bling, and EVERY radio and tv station is screaming for their attention 24/7 all to get their parents money.
beeia' 16 in 1975 you couldn't find a video, or hell even a picture of some sicko with a horse. now it's a click away.
i just barely made it growin' up in the 80's where i was outside more than in, and i knew all my friends houses' phone numbers.
and don't even get me started on a rant on videogames...
i'm not really a pessimist, but i vote kids got it worse today.
Depends what you mean by "hard" and "easy"...life on the whole may have been simpler, but making a living, the average job and so forth was much harder (physically) and kids generally had to get jobs and make their own way younger...the average kid I see today has life handed to them and are coddled much longer...they never real learn the value of a buck.
I am of course speaking on average, and in my experience...
Society going to hell hasn't helped todays kids morally and socially, I will agree that kids have some of those issues harder to deal with.
emo = the new goth. It's rediculous to me. Just another little cliche for all the kids to try to fall into to be live everyone else.
CptTripps Czar of Turd Polish Member Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 29, 2007 09:41 pm
Hehe, the goth era was funny. Powdered faces, black eyeliner and lipstick, and most importantly... depressed :) We always called them "Milk Faces". The cure had some great songwriting though.
lol, ya emo lyric are normally really shiznity and stuff lol,
but its esentially comes down to wiggers and emos lol
im always gettin trashed by exteramly white kids that think there black, lol, and infact i havent "lost" a "fight" yet, more so of an exchange of words, if nething it was a tie ;) hahahaha
thats it a tie ;)
yeah, goth is actually what we called "darksiders" before "goth" was it's name...from what I am reading, it's pretty much the same thing as emo without the black lips...the same "poor me, life sucks> type of loser-tude.
Cpt - don't get me wrong, I love goth music and much of the sub culture, but what I mean is these kids doing the depressed emo crap, there was a much cooler group doing that before them, and it was the goth movement, and at least their music didn't suck.
emo = choppy haircuts, white belts, ipods, girls pants on guys, and a crappy band tee.
I don't understand why everyone is in such a rush to join a group, to give up their personality and be one of the crowd. Man, I am sounding like an old fart here, and I'm only 22.
I dunno, all of my favourite bands are either from the post punk/goth era, or the 90s stoner rock and grunge eras.... don't like too terribly much before then really.
it's safe for work, just a little craigslist ad I put up as a joke. curious as to the emails i'll be getting.
CptTripps Czar of Turd Polish Member Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 30, 2007 11:39 am
Well, I grew up in that Cure era and I must say, they weren't much cooler, same crap different generation. And why would I take it wrong, I was more of a thrash metal loser. My "The Cure" reference was just that, I never listened to them, but do understand that there singer was talented and a great songwriter.
I like DB's term though, "DarkSiders"!! Very mysterious... yet depressing :)
On Hydrial, you got the bangs, but your attitude is much too positive. Let's start showing some sadness.. ;)
slightly off topic: Where does the term shoegaze come from? Apparently I like a whole lot of shoegaze and didn't even know it was a genre. Someone told me it was because they were all so messed up on heroin that they stared at their shoes... which i could see making sense.
coolo Frisco's Most Underrated Member Since: Jan 28, 2003
Mar 30, 2007 12:47 pm
I thought it was because they're the people at the dance that they call wall flowers, too shy to look at anyone so they just gaze at their shoes.
CptTripps Czar of Turd Polish Member Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 30, 2007 02:09 pm
I have heard it used as a musical genre also. No idea though. It could just be for people who have really cool shoes too?
Tadpui I am not a crook's head Member Since: Mar 14, 2003
Mar 30, 2007 02:27 pm
Shoegaze I think comes from the artists' behavior onstage...they don't dance around or groove to the music or even make eye contact with the audience. They just kind of stand there looking down at their instruments. It looks like they're staring at their shoes, or their bellybuttons.
CptTripps Czar of Turd Polish Member Since: Jun 20, 2006
TallChap Answer:On a good day, lipstick. Member Since: Jun 24, 2004
Mar 30, 2007 06:47 pm
Reverse mullets....Oh, man that's priceless. I'm not going to be able to stop myself laughing next time I see one.
Herb Utsmelz Ne'er ate 'er Member Since: Apr 05, 2006
Mar 30, 2007 07:00 pm
Flash of inspiration! Somebody needs to follow these kids around, film them with a documentary crew and call it "Finding Emo".
Maybe PBS or MTV.
TallChap Answer:On a good day, lipstick. Member Since: Jun 24, 2004
Mar 30, 2007 07:05 pm
Problem with that, Herb, is every time the director shouts "Cut!" .....well...you know.....
zekthedeadcow Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!! Member Since: May 11, 2002
Mar 30, 2007 07:42 pm
#gasp# herb... thats brilliant!!!
Herb Utsmelz Ne'er ate 'er Member Since: Apr 05, 2006
Mar 30, 2007 11:37 pm
Quote: Problem with that, Herb, is every time the director shouts "Cut!" .....well...you know.....
And I wouldn't want to be there when someone hollers for a "grip" - none of the principals would know how to respond...
Noize2u Czar of Midi Administrator Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 31, 2007 12:07 am
This thread is great. Another music genre gone wild. The kids video of the Fallout Boy song is kind of odd though. I can understand though were he is coming from. One of Tuna's buddies turned me onto Fallout Boy and I did enjoy it a good deal. That song if you listen about 400 times is not what his littel video depicts though sadly. Although it is very tough if not impossible to understand most of what he is singing it is kind of a powerful little dity. Sad yes, Emo yes indeed. It doesn't get anymore emo, unless of course he cried while performing it. But I digress. Tuna had many Emo friends, and I must say they were the most enjoyable of just about all his friends. Very polite and not the shoegazer types at all.
So much good stuff in this thread, I could go on for hours.
hydrial: because your fashion sense is just weird, man! just kidding. but i do have to say: i've been to 'emo night' at my old orlando bar, and i found some strange, self-absorbed vibes there. granted, the crowd was 18 and up, which meant less of my crowd (i still had my regular peeps there though) but i noticed a tendency, a strange one. the emo kids seemed all wrapped up in themselves. can i say this here? i am used to people looking back at me when i glance at them. the 21 year old emo kids never look at the 32 year old grunge guy (who doesn't, after all, look all that old at all and often gets carded to this day). the 21 year old goth kids do. and they will talk to you.
why? no idea. the emo kids seemed wrapped up in neckties and haircuts. the goth kids were real people who wanted to have fun. i get a bad vibe from the entire emo scene. there's something claustrophobic and self-centered about it.
BUT...
general nugget of info here: kids need drama. people do. emo or politics, it's the same thing: where's your dramasource?
kids live in this alternate world. did you older peeps ever watch the news when you were 15? some do. i didn't. i got my news from carson and letterman and a guy named arsenio. so if you are not getting your drama from real world stuff you have to create it from what you do have. which is high school, cliques, friends, fallouts, the sorts of material that is available to a kid's mind. the grungers did it, the goths did it. drama is key! we live for it! it's either done authentically and smartly or it's done pretentiously and transparently. i hated older music for a long time (and i still don't 'get' much of "the 70s,") but at least those people tried to be literate, a tendency that some grunge bands also inherited. they had self-awareness, or tried to. and i forgive goth because it too is self-aware: it knows it's creating a world for you. emo though? most emo i've heard (if i even know what it is) seems to 'believe itself.'
this is a problem.
JF Omalycat I KNOW NOTHING Member Since: Jun 08, 2006
Mar 31, 2007 10:27 am
Bah! I don't hate Emo's, man! I'll make fun of ANYONE without discrimination. (including myself...)
I'm with Fortymile about the vibe around Emo crowds. Very self-involved, introverted, almost wary of anyone else not fitting into their mold. Maybe a little arrogant?
I don't mean to paint all emo kids with such a broad brush, or stereotype everyone with the emo look, because that's just silly. I'm a former grunger, myself, and remember feeling a little uncomfortable at being lumped in with the rest of the crowd. (I was never politically active, hugged a tree, or shot heroin, anyway...)
lol, i get wut u guys r saying, infact when i go down to florida, and make a friggin million stops in towns along the way(my dads weird like that, likes to see "other towns" and stuff that isnt on the map)i met a bunch of emo kids, n i was like "allright!" lol, but they were all dicks, hahaha
u know what
i think its just the america emo kids ;) hahahaha
us canadian emo's r lovable and friendly ;)
canadians in general are like that neways ;) so y not us emo's ;) ahaha
JF Omalycat I KNOW NOTHING Member Since: Jun 08, 2006
Mar 31, 2007 04:49 pm
Canadians rock, mostly. When my daughter was younger, my wife and I had even discussed moving there for awhile. (for the year-round hockey, if nothing else.)
:)
Tim N Uh, at least one more time . . . Member Since: Feb 07, 2007
Mar 31, 2007 05:32 pm
One thing that's troubled me-- as long as we're on
the subject (sort of): What in God's good green earth does "lol" stand for?
Herb Utsmelz Ne'er ate 'er Member Since: Apr 05, 2006
Mar 31, 2007 07:27 pm
ROTFLMFAO with Hydrial69.
Noize2u Czar of Midi Administrator Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 31, 2007 10:33 pm
You know something this thread really brings back some memories for me. Some good some bad. Having been playing since the 60's I will say that I have seen more genres and styles or classes of people come and go. I have also been part of it being an entertainer and knowing that visual is part of selling the show. And that in turn is what sparks the look that kids adapt to. I think my least favorite was the glam thing. And I'm not talking late 80's early 90's LA glam. I'm talking New York Dolls glam here. How about Disco and the look and such that went with that. Does anyone remember an Urban Cowboys?? How about the Grunge look? I dressed like that 20 years before Grunge was even related to music.
I could go on, but I won't. We are all just part of the big musical freak show that this world loves to watch. Some participate more then others. Some to lead the way, and some follow. It all moves on eventually. So I say just enjoy the show as it rolls by and moves on to another new thing.
zekthedeadcow Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!! Member Since: May 11, 2002
Mar 31, 2007 11:13 pm
I think in general my style tended to be grunge... but growing up on a hay/straw farm wearing flannel and ratty jeans was natural... I still consider a good flannel a 'formal shirt' :)
... oddly I also owned two tuxedos during that era of my life too for orchestra and jazz band... now I don't even have a suit...
during the ska craze of the late 90's I added a sports coat and a touring cap... Europeans (and at least one Australian) thought it was awesome...
I'm pretty much defined by what I can get in a thrift store.
Herb Utsmelz Ne'er ate 'er Member Since: Apr 05, 2006
Apr 01, 2007 02:56 am
Noize, you had to bring up Urban Cowboy!
In '80 or '81, I regularly played in a honky-tonk where they had the mechanical bull set up on the dance floor.
I've still got some purple embroidery stitched flares and top in the attic but there's no way of squeezing into them:)but the platform shoes still fit!Did a jam and wore them on stage at Christmas felt strangly comfortable but needed a hand up on stage,cool eh!
JF Omalycat I KNOW NOTHING Member Since: Jun 08, 2006
Apr 01, 2007 09:04 am
Nice to know I'm not the only thrift store shopper, Zeke. I got into the habit because I weld for a living, and it makes no sense buying new clothes, only to burn them up within a month.
Thrift stores rule....
Hue Pinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
Apr 02, 2007 01:54 pm
Then of course, there is Tickle Me Emo !
CptTripps Czar of Turd Polish Member Since: Jun 20, 2006
Apr 02, 2007 02:41 pm
I like Noize and his comment about being grunge 20 years before the "movement". I grew up in Alaska of course, and we have been grunge since day one and still are now. Hahaha, just thinking back, when I was little we had a barrel with socks in it, each kid did not have his own. So basically you grabbed some socks (none matched of course) and went about your day. Me nor my brothers ever thought twice about that crap until we hit the public school systems.
It's always the same, you will have people appear a certain way because "they" like it (Hydrial is a good example, likes the look but does not feel the need to adopt the fake persona that goes with it). And then you will have people appear that same way because "it's popular" and they want to fit in. Same crap, different generation.
That bothers when people like make fun of people for the "style" they are. Whether they're emo, punk, or metal or whatever the hell it is. Why should other people care what you are or what you look like? I wear some pants that are a lil tight (not like chick pants mind you) and everybody automatically assumes im a pussy. bothers me alot.
Honestly tho, I like looser pants, it's easier to launch a good roundhouse kick to the noggin than it is in tight pants. Besides, if I wear tight pants it's scare the girls..."they think I have an armadillo down there"...
Haha i like a lil tighter pants (low boot cut is what they're called). I used to wear looser pants but they were always a lil to big and i was lazy to wear a belt adn before long id rip the crotch cuz they were to low. Now a ripped crotch isnt always a bad thing you know :P show off some assets but on a cold day the draft sure kills haha
TallChap Answer:On a good day, lipstick. Member Since: Jun 24, 2004
Apr 06, 2007 11:24 am
Argh, I just had a flashback to the '80's. I thought much of the momories for that period were gone, but you had to mention tight pants.
I wore those 'spray on' jeans. I can't even imagine doing that now.
I'm getting all emotional thinking about it. Does that make me 'emo'?
JF Omalycat I KNOW NOTHING Member Since: Jun 08, 2006
Apr 07, 2007 09:10 am
You think that's bad. I remember being thirteen and sporting those badass nylon parachute pants when they were all the rage.
What wuz I thinking???
zekthedeadcow Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!! Member Since: May 11, 2002
Apr 07, 2007 09:53 am
they weren't parachute pants... they were 'hammer' pants... don't be a revisionist...
the worst one was 'Kris Kross' and wearing all of your cloths backwards... that lasted until about first recess...
Herb Utsmelz Ne'er ate 'er Member Since: Apr 05, 2006
Apr 07, 2007 10:14 am
In the early 70s, if I had dressed like kids do today, I wouldn't have even made it to the school's front door without an *** kicking; surviving until recess would have been completely out of the question.
"Pull yer gawddam pants up and put yer hat on straight, ya friggin' retard <SMACK> - and take that pussy-*** earring outa yer nose, faggot <SMACK> - and..."
JF Omalycat I KNOW NOTHING Member Since: Jun 08, 2006
Apr 07, 2007 03:54 pm
Nah, Zek, parachute pants were a few years before the "hammer" pants.....by the time they were around, I was old enough not to be caught dead in anything but torn up Levi's.
Yeah, I don't buy the "low pants are the new long hair"...as much as I do understand the sentiment of the statement, it's just a completely new level of stupid...and actually, I thought a shaved head was the new long hair...ironically...
zekthedeadcow Eat Spam before it eats YOU!!! Member Since: May 11, 2002
Apr 08, 2007 03:51 pm
shaved head is long hair for bald people...
Noize2u Czar of Midi Administrator Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 13, 2007 09:42 pm
Hey easy on the shaved head thing. I keep mine about an 1/8" or so and have for maybe 5 or 6 years now. I'll never have that fuzz on my ears any more. Well maybe on my ears as it grows on my damn ears now, and out my nose.
But back to the pants thing. Dickies at work and just plain old friggin jeans for me. I buy em used at the thrift store or Rag Stock. Much easier then breakin em in these days, I chafe easily ya know. Only exception is when camping, gotta have pants with lotsa pockets.
When I wasn't playing it was usually always jeans, depending on the bar. For a night out to a club when not playing though usually done up in the style I wore on stage.
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