Dec 27, 2005 07:11 am The thing I learned in my recording process is that tuning the kit is the first thing to try to get rid of ring.
Problem with drum ringing
Posted on Dec 27, 2005 06:52 am
Kaos62
Kaos is only a form of insanity
Member Since: Feb 03, 2005
So here I am with m lovely new Starclassic kit (xmas present for myself) and thought hey i really want to hear what it sounds like recorded. so set up the VS1680 rig up the mics set the evels and hey it doesn't sound too bad.
But here is the problem i have an awful ring sound (prolonged frequency highish - end of a boom type sound) that is aparent on the tracking but not noticable in a live setting. the room I am recording in is a 'very live' room
Mic is a shure bass drum mic
HELP!!!!!!
(i know it has been a long time since i was last about but hey that's work for you and I needed to pay for the drums some how)
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Dec 27, 2005 07:11 am The thing I learned in my recording process is that tuning the kit is the first thing to try to get rid of ring.
Dec 27, 2005 07:33 am hey Kaos62, good to see ya. Yeah, the fine art of drum tuning can do wonders. Also, while I am not sure exactly how you are recording, I can say that you should try and find out which drum or drums produce the ring and/or which mic or mics are picking up the ring, or if it is just everywhere...
Dec 27, 2005 08:24 am probably the snare... but yeah... spend a couple hours tuning :) It ay also depend on the heads used.
Dec 27, 2005 11:07 am If you havent replaced the stock heads on the kit I would definetly do that. I would go with some thing like pinstripes or coated pinstripes for the toms, either a coated ambassador or if ringing really seems to be a problem go with an evans hydrolic head. Go with a powerstroke 3 for the bassdrum and if its still ringing, pick up some tonefoam or use some pillows. Also, if you can spare the cash, pick up a drum dial. It makes tuning as easy as it gets.
Josh
Dec 27, 2005 12:31 pm Thanx for the quick replies,
I have spent probably around a day fine tuning the kit and have a great alround sound. Admitedly the heads are the stock ones (which I will change -evans being my preferred ones) the bass drum is dampened with cloth inside, the snare is an 8" deep maple snare with evans head and yes your right that has some ring to it which I am in the process of -wringing out excuse the pun
After having yet anothe play (before an interviewee came and disrupted my concentration - anyone looking for a job in the building trade by anychance) i placed an old duvet cover infront of the bass drum & over the mic and reduced it a fair bit.
Anyother suggestions very very very welcome indeed
Dec 27, 2005 04:58 pm Try moon gels which you place right on the heads of snare/tom drums, they work great for recording and removing drum ringing...
I usually use (2) on the snare to completely remove the ringing, (1) on the rack toms and (3) on the floor tom. I also use an EMAD bass drum head with the larger outer foam ring on the beater side.
I also use a piece of duct tape (bottom head)so the toms don't ring when you hit the bass drum.
Dec 27, 2005 05:57 pm oooh that sounds like a nice drum kit that I would love to record :-) (I'm obsessed with drums even though I don't play lol, especially deep maple snares)
a little "fold" of electrical tape or similar on the top of the snare might do wonders...
How are you miking the snare?
Dec 27, 2005 10:14 pm Sounds like it is the kick he is worried about. If draping it with the duvet helped some I woul probably opt for a little more dfamping inside the drum. Small pillow or the like will help eat up a lot fo the ringing.
Dec 28, 2005 03:56 am thanks,
Iwill give the tweaks a go later on. It amost seems that the sound is bouncing off the mic stand (is this possible) as it almost has a metallic type air about it. And good suggestion on the bottom heads, now why didn't i think of that i did it before I guess I was just too eager to hear it recorded and logic went out the window.
Set up is SM57 snare, 2 O/heads condenser, Samson toms, PG52 Bass.
Your ore than welcome to come and record the kit Dragonchild but I think the air fare might be a bit prohibitive. once I sort my probs out I will post a few samples of the kit and you can all analyse and rip apart
Dec 28, 2005 11:59 am This might be a poke at the obvious, but "tuning" the drums is a bit vague of a suggestion. You might look into some specific tuning tricks such as: Loosening the bottom head will reduce ring, whereas tightening it will increase it. Also, by working on the bottom head, the impact to pitch is minimized.
Also, if you think it's the snare, try applying a small piece of acoustic foam to the batter head. Maybe 3 or four inches sqaure. I have a chrome piccolo snare (famous for massive ring problems) and this one trick completely elimintated all ring for me without eliminating that amazing crispness that piccolos are known for.
Dec 28, 2005 02:13 pm I actually use duct tape. You get a 6 inch piece of duct tape. Tear it in half length wise. Make a hoop out of one of the pieces. Then stick the hoop to the top of your snare such that it stays stuck just enough to not fall off when you play. It works for me. I had to play with the position of the hoop. Obviously you want to keep it closer to the rim to avoid hitting it with your stick.
This can also work on toms. I had big problems with tom ringing. Tuning and some tape on the bottom heads took it mostly out.
Dec 28, 2005 03:19 pm Oh, I just remembered another trick that is surefire, easy, and very useful. When you replace the old drum heads, cut out the center of each top head so that you have left a ring approximately one inch wide along the edge.
Simply place this ring on top of each new head. This works really well and it's better than either foam which has to be glued on, or duct tape which leaves a sticky residue. It's also nice because it's not permanent. You can take it off whenever you want, say maybe for live performances.
Dec 28, 2005 04:03 pm My drummer did the 1" ring thing with cardboard too, also he would unfold his wallet (trifold) and hang one third of the wallet off of the snare when playing.
He didn't do both at the same time, only one or the other. Seemed to work pretty well. Though I didn't record him like this, this was playing live, and practicing.
Dec 29, 2005 04:44 pm this guy i know takes the ring out using a parametric eq plugin
he sets a really narrow band and boosts it and sweeps it around until it accentuates the ring and then he cuts it down to nothing.
no it really is a guy i know. because i dont have any sort
of an eq
sad huh?
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