Apr 23, 2007 11:11 am This country needs an enema.
Bomb Threat on My Town Schools
Posted on Apr 23, 2007 09:49 am
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
WTF? Smallish suburban community, under major security sweeps and police security, patting kids down coming in the building this morning...in two schools...
My wife teaches at a school about 1/2 a mile away from the threatened buildings as well as my youngest attends kindergarten...
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Apr 23, 2007 11:11 am This country needs an enema.
Apr 23, 2007 11:14 am The parents that are not teaching their kids certainly do...
DAMN.
Apr 23, 2007 11:19 am Quote: This country needs an enema.
Amen, brudda.
Apr 23, 2007 04:45 pm so... there's a bomb threat and they're letting the kids in the shool anyway?
When I was even in middle school we had 3 or 4 bomb threats a year...we always evacuated and sat in the buses for a couple hours. That was a small consolidated rural school.
Of course this was in Michigan where if a kid asked why we wasted time believing bomb threats a teacher was ready to say "Because of Bath"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
The only time a school I attended did a full security sweep without an evacuation was when they found out there was an 80% drug use rate among students...50% during school. Small consolidated "very wealthy" rural/suburban school. They found out because of a student study for the psychology class... that project was scrapped immeadiatly and I'm not sure they even offer psychology anymore.
Apr 23, 2007 05:52 pm "The parents that are not teaching their kids certainly do...
DAMN."
--i don't think the gun problem can be attributed to poor parenting. it's bigger than that. it's a sociological thing. anomie and disconnectedness.
Apr 23, 2007 06:09 pm Guns, no, there is a bigger problem, kids who go around making bomb threats and think it's funny, OK or harmless fun, another deal...of course I failed to give the whole story...kids with that messed up of moral fiber, that is a parenting issue.
The threat happened over the weekend, the schools were searched top to bottom over the weekend and investigations started, they have three suspects so they let kids go to school and searched them as they came in.
Apr 23, 2007 10:09 pm Oh man. I'm in VA and here right after the Va Tech shootings happened we have had local schools that had bomb threats and there was a loaded gun found in one kids locker. Its a mess!
Apr 24, 2007 12:51 am i meant violence, not guns. moral fiber can collapse in the absence of love. a kid can be disconnected from the most well-meaning, thoughful family.
undeniably, bad parenting is often a cause, but you can't point to it and say 'that's what it is, case closed.' because you get millions of kids coming from terrible families who grow up just fine.
kids have a range of psychological makeups. some are simply psychopaths--people who do not feel empathy, for biological reasons. other kids start to close off to people if they're bullied and can't find a place to fit in in their own lives, with people their own age. in a case like that, the kid can go into a shell and just get all remote, even shut himself off from a great family.
man, there are so many reasons. in my opinion it's very rarely the parents' fault. more often than not, the person to blame is the assailant himself (for failing to reach out when he felt lost, out of pride or shame or whatever) or you can point a finger at society itself, which seems to produce outcasts accidentally because of things like pressure, exclusion, bullying, so many things.
Apr 24, 2007 06:52 am oh sure, you can never say "thats the cause, case closed" about anything really...there are always multiple possibilities...but if you are talking about all parties being "normal", meaning no mental issues and such factors, odds on favorite is neglectful parenting...still not 100%, but it is throwing your stone at the biggest target.
Apr 24, 2007 11:55 am i think it's possible to be a good parent, but have your kid still have jerks for friends/peers and still end up messed up. But I think parents are a whole lot to blame for a large percentage of crappy stuff (and good stuff) that goes on today.
Apr 24, 2007 01:52 pm I think I'm mostly in dB-Wan's corner on this one. There's a lot of later-life crap that a beginning of good parenting can prevent.
As for the bomb thing; I grew up in London and attended school in central London, during the IRA bombing campaigns (and my father was nearly killed by an IRA bomb). Any bomb threat that happened was a SERIOUS thing. No stone left unturned. Suffice to say, "crank" calls were just not done. You do not want the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist squad anywhere near you....They are relentless, and they will track you down.
Or, perhaps these jokers should get a taste....Scare them straight.
Apr 24, 2007 02:04 pm Well, story is they have three kids in custody...eagerly awaiting the next edition of the local-yokel newspaper...
Apr 24, 2007 06:39 pm i think the lack of good parenting is due to societal issues. it all gets back to the KIND of world we live in now. anomie, disconnectedness, 'time-pressure,' and selfishness. it affects the parents. it's clearly root.
a. baldwin's recent tirade is a decent example of what i'm talking about. he may love his daughter, whatever. but when i heard that recording, he became an instant stereotype: bronson pinchot from true romance. the stereotypical, self-absorbed, hollywood a*^%@, screaming into a cellphone while driving in his convertible on mulholland drive, thinking of no one but himself. it occurs to me that such a person may in fact love his child. but talk to a kid enough in that fashion and the kid starts to close off, shut down, protect himself--drift from you.(words and deeds are two different things). and you as the parent will be so self-absorbed you won't even see the drift, even if you live in the same house.
the society we've created is root here. it has very little to do with parenting skills. that stuff can be done while sleepwalking. just say the right lines, you know, instill the right values by saying them and then forgetting them. but when your kid can't actually sense that you really care--because all your lines are scripted, because you're on f'n autopilot--then there's trouble. i think a lot of families are like that. there's no time for families to be together anymore and everyone's in their own world.
Apr 24, 2007 06:58 pm There's another side to the Alec Baldwin thing. I'll agree that the language he used was inappropriate, and his words were not carefully chosen. However, he has apparently been a victim of Parental Alienation (well documented) and may just have been at the end of his tether. His words do seem to indicate that this is not an isolated event. That the voicemail was 'leaked' is a good indication that there's something odd going on.
I've been in a similar situation with my daughter from a previous marriage. There was an incident last week where I berated my 15-1/2 year old daughter for being inconsiderate, rude, selfish, and disrespectful. She was, and I was right to tell her. Her mother completely protected her - instead of supporting my wish to have my daughter show consideration, manners and respect (I know, a lot to ask of a 15 year old in this day and age). Her mother totally shielded her, and supported her. It really was a shot at me, rather than any decision for her to actually parent the kid (upon our separation she made the kid her 'best friend' - I kept on being her father..call me old fashioned...). So I can actually empathise with Alec Baldwin in this matter. I don't agree with his actual wording, but there's always another side to the story. He was likely trying to have his daughter show some responsibility for her actions, and give her a sense of integrity. I call that parenting. Obviously his daughter does not feel that she should have any responsibility for giving him the run-around, and leaking it to the press is classless. Yes Baldwin used bad language, but at the heart of the matter, he was in the right.
Apr 24, 2007 07:00 pm Sure, the society is the problem, but now we are caught in a chicken or the egg issue...did people cause the society or did the society cause the people.
Apr 24, 2007 07:08 pm Aha! It's a government conspiracy.....
Apr 24, 2007 07:12 pm goog point, db
tallchap, the issue for me is that it was a missed phone call. obviously baldwin is the one with the problem, not the girl. that's not parenting, that's bizarre. maybe it's a long chain of stuff, who knows. but what a creep.
Apr 24, 2007 07:21 pm But there's a possibility that it's the fiftieth, or two-hunredth missed phone call, who knows. He lost his cool. He said, "I'm sick and tired" - not "hey, this lone incident has really pissed me off." Seems to indicate a pattern.
Ooh, looky:
Alec Baldwin apologized Friday for his angry voicemail to his daughter, blaming the stress of his custody fight with Kim Basinger and insisting: "I have a normal relationship with my daughter."
"I'm sorry, as everyone who knows me is aware, for losing my temper with my child," the actor wrote on his Web site. "I have been driven to the edge by parental alienation for many years now. You have to go through this to understand. (Although I hope you never do.) I am sorry for what happened."
He added: "I have endured a great deal over the last several years in my custody litigation. Everyone who knows me privately knows that certain people will go to any lengths to embarrass me and to disrupt my relationship with my daughter."
Apr 24, 2007 07:40 pm parental alienation sounds like a child's response to a crappy parent...
forgive me for starting a horrible battle for that comment if I did...
Apr 24, 2007 08:43 pm no, no, no, no agreeing to disagree, I wanna see blood...in your corners and come out swingin!
Apr 24, 2007 10:57 pm Wow, I needs some sleep I posted my comment in the wrong thread.
Apr 25, 2007 01:13 am haha i was agreeing to disagree with tallchap, you rude thoughtless little pig!
lol
Apr 25, 2007 06:45 am I know who you were disagreeing with, I want you to to come out swingin'...I'll ref.
Apr 25, 2007 06:53 am lol, well i don't know what else to say. he seems like jeckyll and hide, and there seems to be something unhealthy about what he did. i wouldn't argue against a parent's right to yell. but what struck me here was the pure selfishness of the things he was saying. as if he was just used to getting everything his way. as if he were the child.
Apr 25, 2007 07:58 am CAA dumped Alec Baldwin as a client over this.
Apr 25, 2007 01:28 pm Seconds out...
So what you're saying, Kenny(!!), and Forty, is that you're holding the alienated parent responsible for the results of the brainwashing by the other parent?
I am a parent in a similar situation. My ex has spent a lot of time and effort (even if indirectly) teaching my daughter to lie, cheat, manipulate, and be disrespectful, and because I don't like the end product of this (an ill-mannered, disrespectful, selfish child), I'm the crappy parent? Is that how it works? I absolutely adore my daughter, and I've spent all of her life teaching her to be courteous, and responsible (amongst other traits). The payoff is her mother telling her to ignore all I've taught her.
I believe that's where Baldwin is. He's just reacting to an exasperating situation. His reaction was wrong, but I understand his anger.
Apr 25, 2007 01:45 pm My sister is in a similar situation, she has custody, but my niece does see her dad a couple times a week and he is a punk that does everything he can to screw anything up he can and it drives my sister batty.
I can't comment on this particular thing cuz I haven't heard the whole tape or know the story other than he screamed in a voice mail...that about all I know...it sure did sound hostile though.
Apr 25, 2007 02:06 pm Yes, it was hostile and completely over the top. My point is that it doesn't make him a monster or a bad father.
The most telling aspect is how it got to be leaked to the press. What was the point? To my mind the point was to attack Alec Baldwin and hurt his case in the custody battle. It's one side of a many faceted situation. One tirade does not make someone a bad parent. Frustration can lead to very heated emotion. He was frustrated. He got angry. It's human. The press don't see it that way. Celebrities are not allowed to be human. Sure they are public figures, and should be good role models, but one slip and they are monsters/prima donnas...Actors are people. Making a big fuss of them because they can dressup and pretend really well is vacuous, and silly. This is a personal issue, and he should not have been exposed to the negative press over it.
Apparently 20/20 are doing a piece on Parental Alienation on May 4th.
Apr 25, 2007 02:21 pm hmmm May 4th, ironically, my sisters birthday...who is in the type of situation you describe.
I have very little patience or respect for celebs on the whole simple because more often than not, they don't consider themselves human but some higher form of intellect and superiority...but I will admit, my first thought when I heard some clips was "how did they get that?"...
That said, much like tabloids, even legitimate media has a very delicate balance to maintain with Hollyweirds golden calfs...the celebs ***** and moan when things like this happen, but as soon as they have a movie being released or a new CD to promote those same media peeps are all of a sudden needed...ya can't have it both ways...they are there, or they're not.
Sorry, regardless of Baldwin and Basingers problems, I have no time or bother for either, and, on the whole seriously pity the kids being raised in the ivory towers...
Apr 25, 2007 05:34 pm first time ever i lost a post here.
used to be when a post doesnt go through you could backspace and copy your failed text to clipboard, then try again. now backtracking gives you the 'processing' lockout screen.
hmm.
Apr 25, 2007 05:36 pm Yeah, I haven't found my way around that yet...I've been caught in it once or twice too...
Apr 26, 2007 08:45 am Baldwin taped an interview for The View yesterday that will supposedly be aired Friday.
Something that may interest TallChap from the article on www.foxnews.com at www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268522,00.html
Quote:
Interestingly, Baldwin has picked up a lot of support from divorced fathers around the country who’ve gotten the short end of the stick in their own divorces. It’s not a large group. But it’s a devoted one, that’s for sure.
Speaking of The View, is the fact Rosie O'Donnell leaving really worthy of "breaking news" on the Communist News Network? I mean seriously...let fatty patatty move on and hopefully not come back, she's an idiot. I'm on Team Trump in that battle.
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