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Posted on Oct 16, 2005 08:46 am
dragonorchid
Sound Gal - Michelle
Member Since: Jul 11, 2005
Having trouble with this mix because the hi-hat is too prominant in the snare. DOH!, and it's too late now for me to re-record it. I also think it was raining on the tin roof of my shed when we recorded this. Also his guitar cabinet is resonating at a low frequencies like it had a broken cone. I had to take lots of lows out of the guitars to try and hide the strange phenomenon. I cannot beleive I didnt notice it before... but then, when it is pelting down on a tin roof above you, I guess you miss things someimes..eek.
We did the vocals on a seperate day because of the rain.
Any suggestions for improvements?
www.michelleklaessens.com...eartsAblaze.mp3
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Oct 16, 2005 10:08 am To get the hat down I'd say the most likely chance you have to do it is with EQ, take some of the highs down, it may also remove a little of the "crack" of the snare, so you gotta tread lightly.
The other option is to MIDI those two...tho, since they likely bled into other mics, you'll have to be very precise.
Oct 16, 2005 12:48 pm Just a thought here, on your web site for The Rock Factory...the main content frame is way to small, very annoying to read, maybe you should make the logo smaller so the actual content that people read can be a little bit bigger...
Just food for thought, not that I know anything at all about web design or development...so take it with a grain of salt.
Oct 16, 2005 07:53 pm Hey dB, No worries! I don't know anything about web design either. I used word! lol! I'll see what I can do about making the logo smaller.
Yeah, The snare lacked crack, so I boosted some frequencies which also boosted the hi-hat, but at least the snare sounds better than it did before (not the best snare I've ever recorded), and perhaps that is more impostant than the hi-hat problem? hmmm.
The problem is the band is gonna come and pick it up soon, The midi thing might take ages, and there was no click. Is it really as bad as I think it is? Not sure, but sometimes I lose perspective with my mixes.
Oct 16, 2005 08:09 pm This is the other song that was recorded at the same time. My room mate say he likes this one better... Not as much open highhat in this one, so the bleed is not so noticeable, Though there was a hell of a lot of vocal pitch shifting in this one. Not sure if that is noticable.
www.michelleklaessens.com...OfAChampion.mp3
Oct 16, 2005 08:37 pm dragonchild, I just listened to Hearts Ablaze. I didn't listen much to the mix, but got into the song..lol. It's sweet. =)
P.S. oOo.. I'm HRCPRO now! Oh baby! =)
I like to support good things. I've already been helped a lot by this site.
Oct 16, 2005 08:39 pm Hehe, I became a pro member yesturday too :-)
This site is awesome, big ups to dB and the crew.
Oct 16, 2005 08:40 pm hahaha, nice! did you just discover the forum then?
Oct 16, 2005 08:42 pm Colonel Sanders showed me the site...
Have you found the "secret room" of pro member whisperings yet? ;-)
Oct 16, 2005 08:44 pm that's hilarious. It's sweet to find so much experience in the music recording industry. Seems like a cool group in this one. It really helps that the moderator (dB) is active too, so we don't get those 34 page long pissing matches and stuff..haha
I've listened to Hearts Ablaze 6 or 7 times now. I think the band will like it.
Oct 16, 2005 08:49 pm visit the bands website:
www.thisfoundfavour.com
Did you have a chance to listen to the other one I posted, just before your post about becoming a pro-member?
Oct 16, 2005 09:03 pm Story of a Champion sounded pretty decent in my crappy headphones.. The panning the guitar was a nice effect. Since it was mentioned, in my headphones, it sounds like the hi hat and snare weren't quite as sharp as they could have been?
All in all it sounds pretty good though. You can sorta tell the vocals are tweaked a bit... like they aren't real... steady, and solid when he hits a note. Is that what pitch shifting does?
Oct 16, 2005 09:21 pm Well, its just when he hit the wrong notes, or didnt hold it steady, I tried to correct it. Tried is the operative word here.
The snare was kinda crappy. But like you, I do really like the songs, even if it was not the best inputs to mix with.
Oct 16, 2005 09:22 pm Yeah, good songs for sure. I guess only those with perfect pitch don't have to worry about pitch shifting (my sister's one of them, I'm jealous...lol).
Oct 16, 2005 09:38 pm eeek, what If I've "corrected" the notes to a completely different note than he was trying to sing... I guess I'll find out soon ;-)
Oct 16, 2005 09:52 pm lol... maybe he INTENDED to be off by a half note ;) Actually, my sister had a violinist play for her senior recital (one of her compositions for an oboe and a violin and synth music).
The oboe was out of tune, and they couldn't get it in tune. So they adjusted the synth tune to match the oboe, and the violinist just adjusted too... that guy was freaking amazing. lol... The pitch shifting just reminded me of that...heh.
Oct 16, 2005 09:58 pm I don't have perfect pitch, but when I'm trying to "fix" a word and the autotune plugin at times just seems to bung it up and make it worse sometimes, then instead, I'll sing it to myself (what I think it should be with the rest of the song), and then adjust the pitch of the word till it sounds about right.
Must be a funny thing to listen to and watch... me singing to the computer.
Oct 16, 2005 10:00 pm hahaha, do your musicians all get plowed while they're recording? The only real recording I witnessed involved a lot of alcohol...
Oct 16, 2005 10:05 pm depends on the band really...
Oct 16, 2005 10:32 pm quote from dB: "on your web site for The Rock Factory...the main content frame is way to small, very annoying to read, maybe you should make the logo smaller so the actual content that people read can be a little bit bigger..."
I've tried to adjust it now. Is it any better?
Oct 17, 2005 06:43 am LOADS better.
jmailjimmie neutronMember
Since: Feb 14, 2005
Oct 17, 2005 03:04 pm "From now on, only thee Captain can say 'Arghh!'!!!"
Oct 17, 2005 03:06 pm A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's wheel in his pants.
The bartender asks the pirate "do you realize you have a ship's wheel in your pants?!?!"
The pirate replies: "Argh Matey!! It's drivin' me nuts!!"
=)
Oct 18, 2005 05:10 pm Someone just told me that "de-essing" the snare drum might help decrease the hi-hat bleed. Has anyone ever tried this?
Oct 19, 2005 12:43 am I'm a newby and I've just started exploring this forum and listening to the music you guys and gals are putting out---WOW! I'm speechless there is some giant talent floating out there keep it up. I got a lot to learn.
Oct 19, 2005 12:51 am Yeah, same here man...lol. I've just been clicking "refresh" on the stupid UPS page for the past two days.
Oct 19, 2005 06:27 am I got a UPS card in the mail this morning saying that I needed to ring customs to clear my recording gear package (with the m-audio 18/14, M-powered Protools, sm57 beta microphone, and some headphones I ordered). I have to pay Goods and Services Tax on it because it is worth over $1000 dollars. I guess that's life...
Gosh I'm broke. I better do some more recordings..
:-)
Oct 19, 2005 06:45 am Congrats michelle! Let me know how the 18/14 sounds : )
Oct 19, 2005 07:22 am Thanks Arie... I hope it doesnt take too long for them to process the forms I had to fill in to organise the customs clearance, like Kenneth, I kept getting this twinge in my hand that kept clicking on the tracking number to see the UPS progress... I still have the urge now. lol.
Oct 19, 2005 11:04 am Earlier on at the UPS page...
"click click click click click..."
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 19, 2005 09:33 pm Michelle, sorry I got here late. But the De-essing would be the first thing I would try indeed since getting the crack of the snare is what triggered the open hats to sound a bit much. It will help level out the hissing caused by the open hats. Although honestly it didnt sound real bad except in a couple small places. One thing to try if you think you might get in that situation again is to put another 57 or whatever under the snare pointed away from the hat. It will allow a little more room for getting a good snare sound without having to rely on the upper mic that might pick up to much hat.
Also Auralex makes some nice little baffles that fit over a mic to keep out the sound coming from behind the mic. I have actually made some using high density foam and they work great.
On the music side, I liked both tracks as well. Cant comment to much on the mix as my poor fat head is still plugged with the sniffles. Time to double up on my vitamin C I guess.
Oct 20, 2005 03:08 am Noize2u, Hope you feel better soon... my mum would say "lots of sleep and hot lemon/soup drinks" ;-)
I have a big university assessment tomorrow, but I'm gonna try the de-essing on Saturday, before the band come and pick up the cd at 6pm on Sat.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 20, 2005 09:23 pm Thanx Michelle, I think its just a cold trying to sneak in before winter hits. But a little Nyquil and all is good for awhile.
And indeed hot lemon and honey is what I grew up on when the throat was ailing. Not sure it would unplug my head/ears though.
Good luck with the assesment and the de-essing.
Let me know how it works out.
Nov 28, 2005 03:10 am Finally, the adjustments! :-)
Decreased reverb, increased toms, gats, less delaysin screams, "telephone" effect on intro line... as per band's request. Couldnt quite get the de-essing right, but it seems to be less noticable now with less reverb.
www.michelleklaessens.com...AChampion_B.mp3
www.michelleklaessens.com...rtsAblaze_B.mp3
Used Harbal 2.0 for the first time, 8% "air " and cranked... but I did not use the "intuit Q" coz that just seemed to make it duller.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 28, 2005 10:13 pm ROCKIN, I love those guitar's. Again I gotta listen a bit louder tommorrow as it's late here. But they sound great so far.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 29, 2005 07:55 pm Oh ya, Story of a Champion is much better now, as are my ear's. The vox seem to cut through better now with the subdude verb on the snare. I like the new intro with the tele effect better, leads in well.
Hearts Ablaze, I love the breakdown and back into the fray very smooth transition. Nice harmonie's as well there. Drum's sound bigger without getting in the way. The B mix just sounds so much fuller without being LOUD sounding. I'm torn as to which of these 2 I like best. I think Hearts Ablaze is the winner here.
Again, Tuna is hangin for these as well. He gives them 4 thumb's up as he put it. Another to keep us posted on a CD release. Man, that kid is gonna cost me in shipping. :-)
Anyway, they sound as close to perfect as they are gonna get.
Dec 02, 2005 07:36 am Hopefully the band will ocme back and do some more... i know a side project of some of the band members are recording with me in 2 weeks.
Apparently a little different. will be interesting to hear...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 02, 2005 09:39 pm Cant wait to here it. I like the stuff their doing now. Differant is always good as well.
