Jul 07, 2005 07:30 am I just found out myself too...
this is very sad...
My condolences go out to the Brit's
Posted on Jul 07, 2005 07:02 am
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
Hoorible, horrible goings on in London today, very bad thing to wake up and hear about. I very much hope everybody at HRC has experiences no loved ones being lost or hurt.
It's very sad anyone has to get killed or injured with crap like this...
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8492258/
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Jul 07, 2005 07:30 am I just found out myself too...
this is very sad...
Jul 07, 2005 08:04 am I think this should show all those who oppose the war against terrist, that if we sit still and do nothing, more of this would have already happen. It's very sad indeed.
Jul 07, 2005 08:34 am I've called and mailed round, everyone i know is safe and sound thank god, scary times.
Jul 07, 2005 08:59 am www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8496293/
as expected:
"A group calling itself “The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe” posted a claim of responsibility for Thursday’s blasts in London, saying they were in retaliation for Britain’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan."
bastards...
Jul 07, 2005 09:28 am Can't hit America and now they hit Europe. They really need to be eliminated.
Jul 07, 2005 09:30 am Quote:
Can't hit America
I wouldn't bet on that, but I heard there is major police forces around the building that has the British consolate in it in Chicago...
Jul 07, 2005 10:22 am America might be high on their list, but it's really the entire free world they are against.
We are all in this together, my thoughts go out to all of those in London.
Jul 07, 2005 10:53 am Agreed...bunch of bastards indeed.
If found, they should be slowly, publicly executed and have the whole event televised round the world.
Barbaric indeed but a deterent for other cowardly terrorist scum.
Indeed, condolences to Londoners....
Jul 07, 2005 10:53 am I should also add, living in Edinburgh through this whole G8 nightmare, I had a feeling somebody SOMEWHERE in the UK would get something more severe than few hundred yobs...
I wished my gut feeling was wrong.
Jul 07, 2005 04:33 pm And a controlled explosion just been done on a bus in Edinburgh's main thoroughfare (PRINCESS STREET) at 6.30pm tonight.
2 dodgy suspect pacakges...bad stuff all roond this...bad stuff.
Coco.
Jul 07, 2005 04:37 pm what the hell is a controlled explosion? Two packages that the bomb squad secured and blew up? Is that what you are saying, I can't find anything on the news sites...
Jul 07, 2005 05:36 pm London's been through a lot. I remember well the 70's onward, with the many IRA bombings in London. My father was nearly killed by one (Aside: I hope all those IRA sympathizers in America who used to send money to the IRA are choking on their corned beef! Hope they really enjoyed the hell out of 9/11, and today's carnage...see you in hell..bastards. There's no difference between IRA terrorism, and Al Qaida terrorism). London's been through this stuff before. It strengthens the resolve of the Londoners (I'm a ex-pat from London). They'll bounce back. Blitz spirit, and all that. Worrying, though.
Thankfully, none of my relatives or friends were involved. So happy about that.
Terrorists are cowards.
Jul 08, 2005 06:52 am Aye, a controlled explosion is when the bomb squad blow up the suspect device/disarm it without any major damage (probs by isolating the item and exploding or deactiving it somehow).
This one turned out NOT to be a bomb but its all bad **** at tis time...its NOOO good. Man, my toon has been infiltrated with "protestotors" who are nothing more than ******** wi a grudge against EVERYONE smashing the place and causing anarchy in the name of poverty...NOT...shoot these punks is what I say.
As for these bombers, aye, all bastards indeed and hanging is too good for them.
Coco.
Jul 13, 2005 08:54 am Yikes, I heard this morning that the bombers may be homegrown...that sucks...gotta hurt to have one of your own do it, that's happened in the US a few times, just ain't right.
Jul 13, 2005 12:24 pm homegrown = foreigners with british passports i'd guess...
Jul 13, 2005 12:27 pm I had heard some comments that they were actually British born citizen suicide bombers...or that that was one possiblity...but then, I am guessing there are a few theories and stuff at this point I suppose.
www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/eu...lair/index.html
Jul 13, 2005 02:06 pm British born, of Pakistani descent.
I'm not about to tar everyone with the same brush here, but I have to be suspicious at the way some muslims are compelled to do this kind of thing. It doesn't seem to be on the minds of Christians/Jews/Hindus/Buddhists. I know full well that most (nearly all) muslims are good, peace-loving people, but the fanatics/radicals that do these atrocities are pretty much always from an Islamic background. There's nothing in their teachings to tell them to do this kind of thing, but there are always some nuts who will mis-interpret stuff.
Weird. I'm non-religious, so I'm fully open to a good argument here. I'm not being racist at all (I hate that sh**), just confused as to why the "Suicide bomb" mentality seems to be such a muslim thing.
Jul 13, 2005 02:15 pm what about kamikaze? Japaneese
and the concept of martyrdom spreads many religions, isn't Jesus considered one?
i know it's not the same as someone strappin' explosives to themeselvs, but the concept of giving your life for something you believe in, is held in high reguard in most cultures, "the ultimate sacrifice"
Jul 13, 2005 02:18 pm I don't think it's "Muslim" as much as radical muslim extremists...there are extremists in any group of people, and thats what Kamikaze's were, extremists. However, it seems violence is a quicker reaction in the middle east, not among any group, just the whole middle east...
But hey, if I was promised 72 virgins upon my entry to heaven and believed it, well, I might think differently...
I hate to label religions, cultures or races...but the extremist factions of any of them bug me...
Jul 13, 2005 02:20 pm hmmm virgin in heaven.....why would any spirit have sex? and HOW?? not to reproduce, that's for damn sure, but wait, isn't lusting bad?
does anyone else see the oxymoronish thinking here?
Jul 13, 2005 02:23 pm Yeah, I have had that same thought myself...it's just wrong on so many levels...
Jul 13, 2005 02:25 pm and sex with a virgin isn't that great anyway
§;o)
Jul 13, 2005 02:27 pm I dunno, I don't think I've ever met one...
Jul 13, 2005 02:55 pm Having had a friend spend some time in a remote section of afghanistan it has been made clear to me that terrorists are more along the lines of cultists. Same way that David Koresh was "christian"
The problem is that Islam is not strongly organized as christianity is and when cults pop up there is no Muslim organization to prevent/combat it. The end result is that Moden Islam is like Christianity with a crapload of David Koreshs.
It boils down to the Muslim community needing to have somthing similar to the Council of Nicea... of course the problem with that is that it was organized by the Roman Empire... and being that the US is the moden day equilivent we would have to develop our own brand of Islam with concise beliefs and hiearchy and then re-export it.
Jul 13, 2005 06:20 pm Doh! Didn't mean to hijack this thread for theological/idealogical debate. I apologise for that.
Kamikaze - didn't think of that. Good point.
Jesus - I rather think that one's a bit different (again, I'm not a believer, but I get the allegorical sense of the story). He was persecuted, arrested...blah, blah, and then executed. Not the same as strapping a butt-load of C4 to yourself and getting on a crowded train. I doubt that the Christians of the world would be as fond of him had he done that.
Good point on the sectarianism and lack of control from a central core.
Honestly, I'm not trying to point at any one group here. The "middle east" factor does likely come into play. I guess I don't understand the cultural mentality.
I still think they're cowards.
Just heard that a suicide car bomber in Iraq killed 24 kids today. Killing the future of his country in the name of ...er...the future of his country........
"Fighting for peace is like f***ing for virginity."
Must all make sense to someone.
Jul 13, 2005 06:26 pm I do believe in the concept of fighting for peace, but not quite the way these people are fighting...bombing people completely uninvolved in the fight...I agree, cowards they are.
That said, violence, in history, has solved a lot of problems...one of the ultimate acts of violence did stop WW2...
Jul 14, 2005 07:22 am Last night our Hubert H. Humphrey Terminal (smaller, mainly charter airport beside the international airport) was evacuated. Two bomb sniffinf dogs smelled something weird in two different places in the terminal.
Nothing was found, but jeezuz, what a way to live, is this how it's going to be now?
:: sigh ::
I weep for the world our kids are inheriting.
Jul 14, 2005 08:28 am Quote:
The problem is that Islam is not strongly organized as christianity is
from my point of view christianity is very badly unorganized, theres a million different churches with drastically different beliefs.
just my .02
Jul 14, 2005 08:28 am I was listening to some news and radio this morning regarding the London bombings, and, maybe I am wrong, but it really sounds like Tony Blair is more concerned about stopping the crimes in England perpitrated against Muslims then he is at finding the people that did the bombings...is that the way it is, or have I got that wrong?
Jul 14, 2005 08:30 am xtc, while there are many different factions of Christianity, on the whole, each sub-religion within the umbrella heading of Christianity is highly organized on a global level...the fact there are different "versions" of Christianity doesn't make them disorganized.
Jul 14, 2005 12:10 pm was listening to some news and radio this morning regarding the London bombings, and, maybe I am wrong, but it really sounds like Tony Blair is more concerned about stopping the crimes in England perpitrated against Muslims then he is at finding the people that did the bombings...is that the way it is, or have I got that wrong?
I THINK YE ARE CORRECT. I have no time for Bliar (deliberate mispelling). He is an ***.
I know you guys across the pond thought he dealt with the war on terror well etc but I think he has no mind of his own and does what he thinks others think he should do.
I aint having no dig - lets kick the terrorists asses - I AGREE 200% but dB, I think ye hit hte nail on the heid.
I mind when New York was attacked. Bush come on the TV and you could see he was saying "**** these getts. We're gonna sort you out for bombing NY"...BLAIR come on the TV and sounded a little miffed, possibly shaken but more for his job than getting any kind of revenge.
And let me say this. There was a bomb (exploded in a plane) a few years back in a little known Scottish town called LOCKERBIE which killed around 100+ people - THIS WAS DISREGARDED after a while but the Libians took the blame in the end and we all KNEW it was them long before they admitted it.
WHAT DOES BLAIR DO??? HE GOES TO FEKIN LIBIA..and he shakes ******* GADAFI by the hand and kisses him! BASTARD.
I have no time for Bliar....I feel for the Londoners but I must say, nobody gave a toss about LOCKERBIE that day when Bliar shook hands with the devil...plain terrorisim in Scotland.
Rant over..
Jul 14, 2005 12:18 pm Quote:
does what he thinks others think he should do
isn't that what a representative of the people should do?
i'm no fan of him either, just nitpicking!
Jul 14, 2005 12:19 pm Blair needs to stick around, Bush needs a ***** too.
Jul 14, 2005 01:34 pm Aye - thats it. He is bushes ***** to be honest which is what I was refering to WYD.
He is an ***. I dont like him at all. He has no balls when it comes down to it.
As I say, you could see it in Bush's face - when NY was attacked Bush wasnt messin.
When London was attacked, up pops the *** with some heart felt condolences (Thats fine) but where is the resolve to say - and now we're gonna hunt ye doon and string ye up ya getts.
NOWHERE to be seen...an *** of epic proportions.
Coco.
Jul 14, 2005 01:38 pm Hmmm, interesting...I have kinda liked Blair myself, however, me not being personally affected or close to his governing, policies and anything like that, I obviously don't see everything...but he always came across to me as a decent leader.
Sounds to me like one of those disgruntled scotsman that just wants to be let out from British control that I keep reading about. :-)
Jul 14, 2005 01:48 pm Well, there is a bit of that but we have our own shity parliament here (tho its a mickey mouse outfit which cannot alter taxes tho can govern most else) but no, I just dont like the man...
He sure as hell doesnt represent me. I think, as I say, if a leader were to kiss/shake hands/befriend any other known associate of terrorisim, they be fekin shot.
In fact, am surprised dubya didnt have bliar nuked for consorting with gadadfi!!! hehehe. Declare war on his pal...seriously tho, that REALLY pissed me off. If that plane had blown over London, he SURE AS HELL would NOT be consorting with him...truth.
But as I say, I dont like what happened in London any more than anyone else...I just get pissed off when the leader of my country (wether I agree with it or not) goes n disregards the feelings of 6m people.
Anyways, I dont do politics..always gets me REAL hacked off. All Bliar ever gave me is subject matter for my song Wasted Land.
Coco.
Jul 14, 2005 01:58 pm ah, here's the london thread. didnt see it there...
my friend was saying the other day that islam is, as buch says, largely 'a religion of peace.' but she was saying that any religion whose main body of beliefs is full of 'absolute statements' is going to spawn more fundamentalists. islam and christianity both have those absolutes, but from what i understand, islam also has a few things in the koran there that directly say you should kill your enemy. some of her students say that that's not so, though. anyone ever read the koran?
about the bombings, i dont know what the terrorists think theyre getting out of it. everytime they strike, the world just gets more polarized. and there's more of us than there are of them. its like theyre digging thier own hole.
Jul 14, 2005 02:01 pm Yes, the Koran does say things like "kill anyone who opposes you" (I'll try to search for a reference, I don't have one off hand), that said, it also does in the Old Testament of the Bible...
I am growing very weary of Bush's "religion of peace" crap...
Jul 15, 2005 07:45 pm please excuse me...
i find myself falling into a bill maher mood.
Jul 16, 2005 05:34 pm I found one dB (www.quran.net/)
"But those who disbelieve, (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) for them will be the Fire of Hell. Neither it will have a complete killing effect on them so that they die, nor shall its torment be lightened for them. Thus do We requite every disbeliever!" (35:36)
note: which means that for those who disbelief, no terms of death sentences shall be put on them.. as when they die the punishment is heavy enough to bear...
As far as I have lived and understand, the Quran also encourage the followers to respect other religions. As for me rationally, who will follow religions which promote other than peace on earth except satanism?
These acts of "religious" terrorisms may have always been the scapegoat for political leaders..
my 2 cents btw
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