Jun 04, 2005 12:36 pm PART DEUX
ok i just found out the owner wants $1,000 to 'allow' us to record there.
the gravey train came to my town!!
Posted on Jun 04, 2005 11:55 am
whosyourdaddy00
Hold 'Em Czar
Member Since: Dec 30, 2004
well, not exactly but get this...
so i get a call from a friend sayin' he wants me to record their band at a live gig, how much would that cost? kinda threw me off, cuz i no idea what the going rate for this kinda thing is....so off the top of my head i said $300 for my fee, and 2$ each additional cd, complete with their original art, plastic wrap, and cd's with printing directly on them (no paperish stuff for inkjets, this mofo burns with laser technoliges that the Russians HAVE killed for back in the earliy 80's. but i digress
so he says, cool i'll take 500, so that's 1,300 bucks....come out next friday night...BOO-YAH!!! gotz me a gig! so it turns out that the band was playing at a small bar downtown i deside to go check 'em out, and they are AWSOME, (you'll hear them later so i'm not gonna embilish)...so i get there and there's 5 ppl playin', drums, bass, two guitars, and two keyboards, and three vocal mics....hmmm that's nine inputs
my 1680 has 8, two of which are mic inputs (XLR)...so i go to talk to the sound guy, they have a nice mackie 16x4x2 channel VLZ, which i was relieved to see, cuz it has inserts on every channel. i look at the sound guy, and i introduce myself, and he says, it's his first night! over the next 30 mins i learn that there usually isn't a sound guy!!
panic set in.
so now it was lookin' like i was gonna be dooin' the live mix, AND recording it in one week...this is no buena....so i go back to the sound guy to ask him if he was gonna be here next friday, he says "i donno" then the owner steped in my face and said "what makes you think you're recording here" and i explain the bass players father just asked me today to record them next week and i wanted to check out what i was gonna be workin' with. then he gets all pushy with me sayin 'nobody said you can record here' and i said "well, who do i need to talk to to get this sorted out" "well I am the owner, and i say i don't want to talk about it"....
*sigh* so i say, well i'll talk to Ted and we'll get this sorted out...then he grabbed me and said "no do not discuss this tonight"
that ****** with me....
then it dawned on me, he thought we'd been drinkin' and what not (it was closing time after all) so i got his card and i told him i'd contact him next week....
so now it looks like my gig isn't gonna come through.....
bah
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Jun 04, 2005 12:36 pm PART DEUX
ok i just found out the owner wants $1,000 to 'allow' us to record there.
Jun 04, 2005 01:04 pm wow, what an ***!
clearly an owner who cares more about the money than helping out his local music scene....?
Jun 04, 2005 01:08 pm Since when is it a local businessman's responsiblity to help his local music scene? I agree, the dude is asking a lot of money, which is lame, but I would hardly call him an *** for "not supporting his local music scene"...he's a businessman...making money is business.
Jun 04, 2005 01:12 pm i just wonder why the owner is charging $1,000 when wyd is possibly gonna end up mixing the live set too - surely having a band playing there and sounding good is gonna bring business to his bar?
i suppose you have a point though, running a bar is a business.
Jun 04, 2005 01:27 pm yeah, the band sees it like they are gettin' free promoton by callin' the cd, "...live at The Pond" and if they are gettin' 500 copies made, that's pretty good advertizing for the joint...turns out they've only been open for 3 months.
Jun 04, 2005 05:02 pm Quote:
making money is business
If only life were this simple. I think that the guy is being a jerk. What possible justification does he have for wanting $1,000 to let WYD record a band at his establishment? What ever happened to good faith? Whatever happened to "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"? What ever happened to being nice?
Disillusioned with human beings lately...can you tell?
Jun 04, 2005 05:04 pm Oh, I agree, totally agree in you assessment and your disillusionment with people...people suck, end of story. Good faith, back scratching and being nice has nothing to do with capitalism.
The only justification is that it's HIS place.
Jun 04, 2005 05:09 pm Thankfully, I'm a firm believer in the notion that you reap what you sow... Yeah, it's his place and he can do whatever he wants. That doesn't make it the right thing to do. I take comfort in the idea that it'll come back to bite him in the butt eventually.
What goes around comes around.
(Those cliches are cliches for a reason...they've so often rang true!)
Jun 04, 2005 05:11 pm I agree...completely...he'll get his...I live by the notions of which you speak...but not all do.
Jun 04, 2005 05:14 pm Offer the owner of the 'stablishment a cut of the "profit" off the CDs. Have him sign a contract AND a waiver. Make it good, make it legal. Then the band "tries" to sell the CDs for a profit, but the recording engineer "charged too much money" and we lost on the deal. Bar owners would pull the same trick with a band if they offered them a cut of the door "profit". The owner would say like: "Man, time I paid for the help, and we only had 150 people come in, and the broken glass and tables set me back, I actually LOST money on the night 'cuz a youse gize!!!". What it is, he don't wanna lose the band that brings in the dough, and they'll go if someone hears the demo made at his establishment.
Jun 04, 2005 05:19 pm Bar owners know that local bands are a dime-a-dozen...that's how they get away with paying crap to get bands...it's not a new situation.
Jun 04, 2005 05:27 pm The obvious answer to the whole problem would be to circumvent the bar owner all together. Record the band somewhere else. If it must be recorded in front of an audience, offer to play at some other bar for free, with the stipulation that you get to make a recording of the gig. I bet most bar owners would jump at the chance, especially if this band is as good as WYD says they are.
Jun 05, 2005 03:50 am I would just record the band and not tell him.
Unless he knows your rig, and you're doing the live set anyway, chances are he will NEVER know!!
Just means they cant call it Live AT The Pond..a small price to pay for dodgin $1000. At the end of the day, I aint NEVER heard such a notion - pay to record at a bar!!!
What a swine...greedy gett. But as GJim says, he'll get his.
Coco
Jun 05, 2005 09:44 am Have the band rent a local VFW (or whatever) hall, let all their fans know free or $1.00 admission (possibly try to re-coup hall cost). Be ready for major clean-up work of the hall afterwards, and it might not be a bad idea to hire an off-duty cop for security. (Just full of money, aren't we?)
Jun 06, 2005 02:20 pm What is the bar owner charging for? The electricity use? The "prestige" of using his club's name? His acoustics? (I bet he hasn't had the room acoustically tuned)
The material being recorded belongs to the band, so there's no right for him to get a cut at all.
Record somewhere else, and call it "Live, BUT NOT AT THE POND BECAUSE THEY WANTED $1000."
I'd suggest going to the local press/TV/Radio, and telling them about this guy. Hopefully he'll get a f***ed up reputation from it. Call and ask the bar owner for his reasons, so you can tell the story fairly in the media. Get his side across too....that kind of kidney. Get his request for $1,000.00 in writing...
What a jerk.
Jun 06, 2005 02:35 pm Is this type of thing standard in the industry? You have to obtain permission to record on someones premises? Even scratch tracks etc?? Seems like a band should be able to record themselves where and when they want. I can see it the CD is produced and the bar name is used in the title that there might have to be a kick-back of some kind but ohterwise it just sounds like the owner is being an ***.
Does the audience have to be informed that it is being recorded because of some sort of privacy issue?
Jun 06, 2005 03:36 pm yeah, i'm not too keen on 'liability' issues either, turns out this guy's only been in business for 3 months...
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Live, BUT NOT AT THE POND BECAUSE THEY WANTED $1000
HAHAHHAHAA!!! i'll run that idea by the band!
Jun 06, 2005 03:47 pm Quote:
I'd suggest going to the local press/TV/Radio
Bwahahah, I highly doubt the media would give a crap about this story..."local business man charges money for recording location"
What kind of a headline is this...
I think if I was that upset about this (which I wouldn't be) I would try to get him a bad name in the local band scene so nobody would want to play there...
Jun 06, 2005 04:18 pm "local business man charges money for recording"
It's a people story. Yeah....right....A story of the struggling artist, up against the greed of the club owners....yeah...yeah...and charging huge amounts of money for recording someone elses music without a real reason why........that kind of kidney.....
I'd just love to hear his logic for charging that much. What exactly does his $1000 involve?
The local news loves that kind of thing (especially the local "freebie" newspapers - they always have a bit of a soft side for the artists).
Or tell him that you've considered his "offer," but will be recording elsewhere, and giving full credit to the club where you're recording. Negative publicity is a very powerful weapon.
Jun 06, 2005 04:29 pm Stick to the Coco method...just do it anyway!! BWWWWWWWHAHAHHAHAHHA...what can he do??? Sue you for recording your own band!
Unlikely...anyway, as I said - just dont tell him! hehehehe..thats the way to do it!
Then, when its a big seller, drop him a couple of bucks for his time and effort - bwhahahahaha.
Coco.
Jun 06, 2005 05:00 pm sure, $1,000 is insane money for him doing nothing, but I highly doubt it'd get much for media attention.
In cases like this I stand by my original idea of hitting him in the pocketbook by just getting bands to stop playing there.
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