May 28, 2005 08:27 pm I thought it sucked... I'm not going to reveal too much right now though, since I dunno if everyone has seen it. Or I could just edit the topic name to be like "star wars episode 3: don't read if you haven't seen it"
Star wars EP3 - what did you think? (BE AWARE POSSIBLE SPOILERS)
Posted on May 28, 2005 06:29 pm
xtc
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i wanted to find out what everyone thought of the movie? i was skeptical about how the story lines were going to come together and when it was over i was very impressed! im ready for ep7 which will prolly be done by the george's kids.
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May 28, 2005 08:27 pm I thought it sucked... I'm not going to reveal too much right now though, since I dunno if everyone has seen it. Or I could just edit the topic name to be like "star wars episode 3: don't read if you haven't seen it"
May 28, 2005 08:30 pm haven't seen it yet, waiting for lines to die down.
May 28, 2005 08:36 pm well the biggest issues I had with it really was the acting... I mean there were more issues, but that was the huge one.
May 28, 2005 10:16 pm yeah hayden and natile are horrible match that up with the cheezily written dialogue for them and yeah thats a turn off, just like in ep2.
May 28, 2005 10:49 pm Yeah the dialog was horrible. But when you look at the Star Wars in the late 70's-early 80's, it was the same way. Maybe George Lucas wanted the news ones to have the same feel as the old ones, but I sure wouldn't have, it's the 21st century you know. I thought it was good all together. The worst thing was the reasons behind Anakin's change to the dark side, it was crap. He's all confused on which side is the actual good guys. Then bowing down in front of the Emperor pledging he's ledgence. With the Emperor, at first I thought he was too cheesey. Then after having the movie go through my mind for a couple of days, I sort of liked him. He was the perfect psycho villian. Any who, I liked the movie. You know what was to come and after seeing it, it makes you think about it for a couple of days.
May 29, 2005 03:05 am well, i have to say i am impressed by the basic story with anakin. that said, i dont think the movie was executed well at all, but i expected that. the original movies seemed to have, like, more 'moments.' im a fan of action like anyone, but this was too crowded with action, at the expense of the development of the character driven story. one of the toughest problems i had was that there was nothing weighty enough behind anakin's conversion. the motivation to save padme is i think excellent, but the movie does not show him wrestle with the conseqences of his shift, and there's no *specific* reason, in that moment, why he shifts! it has to be something very specific--like, he has to be literally cornered for it to make sense psychologically. there was a chance to make it be that way but it just didnt follow through.
that's a huge problem! thats so weak.
also, how about a new directorial style now and then. part of this sacrificing moments stuff i was talking is nestled in with the very transitions. those 70's wipes for the scene transitions. they pull the action along in a very soap-opera kinda way indeed. instead, a moment could be left to sink in or linger. but no. sometimes the wipes happen before any meaning or sense of anything can come out.
i was more 'with' christensen this time as far as his portrayal. but portman is as bad as ever. and i do think the apparent bad acting in many cases has to do with the writing and direction, but in portman's case it's all her doing.
but you know, there are some real feelings behind that tragedy there, and thats a good thing. padme begging him to turn away telling him she loves him, and him just not being able to...good stuff.
May 30, 2005 07:31 am I thought it got more star wars-like at the end, it's the best of the new three imo, then clones and fat menace was just awful. I've seen it a few times now (ep3) and really quite like it. Lucas writes terrible scripts on the whole though, he should still to plots and get better script writers to do the rest.
May 30, 2005 09:51 am I find it interesting that star wars as a whole is really about the bad guy. When you watch the original 3 from the 70's, you get the impresion that star wars is mainly about Luke, but now seing these first 3 it becomes about Vader. Think about it. It starts of with him as a young kid, and then at the end of Jedi, he dies. I think that's pretty cool that it actually centers around the bad guy.
May 30, 2005 10:13 am Well, if you read all the conspiracy theories, it's all about George W Bush, with the Emperor being Bush, capitalized by the "if you are not our friend, you are our enemy" speech which I heard the Emperor gives.
I find it funny that some people are so hung up on conspiracies and political intriuge they can't even sit back and enjoy a movie without looking for some bigger message...
Even if it's try, who gives a **** what George Lucas thinks anyway? I find it even funnier that movie stars and directors seem to think that the average joe gives a crap what they think and that they somehow have ALL become political experts in their ivory towers.
May 30, 2005 01:38 pm it's anakin who gives that speech at a crucial moment--possibly the last moment he still has the power to turn away from the dark side. but he's already become consumed with te prospect of unlimited power and really, its too late. that line is the one that makes obi wan realize his friend is gone and has become consumed. honestly, you have to think that lucas put that there to make a point. i imagine that every single person on the set that day and all the producers must have seen the connection between the drama of what specifically is happening to vader at that point and the specific bush-ism that that line references.
assistant director: "wow, does george really want this in there?" cinematographer: "hey i just shoot what they tell me, man."
"Lucas writes terrible scripts on the whole though, he should still to plots and get better script writers to do the rest."
--my favorite bad line in the movie was obi-wan's, right after being easily captured: (completely incredulous): "how did this happen to us? we're smarter than this."
May 30, 2005 01:48 pm ah, yeah, OK, so it's not the eporer, it's the soon-to-be Carth Vader that is George then...OK, I get it.
May 30, 2005 03:38 pm Quote:
who gives a **** what George Lucas thinks anyway?
lots of nerds!! thats who. lol!
one thing i really liked was at the end of the movie the inside of the ships had bright white walls, great transition to ep4.
ep3 was definately the best of the first 3. i wonder what the tv show will be like?
May 30, 2005 03:42 pm xtc, The ship that Bail Organa was on is actually the same ship that the Empire captures and boards in the beginning of Episode 4.
And for everyone debating the whole Vader/Bush thing, Bush was not the first person to use that phrase.
May 30, 2005 05:22 pm I didn't like it when I saw it but I have found peace now... :)
I liked how the opening battle was introduced... but it was a boring rehash of the final battle in RotJ... which was understandable as a "nothing really changes" statement.
I liked R2D2's fight scene... but I thought he was too nimble and flew too much.
I found the final lightsaber match increadably boring... but obiwans "You were the Chosen One!" line was good.
I absolutly hated the frankensteinish ending...
They never tied up jarjars plotline... ok... so he's annoying (EP1)... then he helps the emporer take power (EP2)...and then he goes to padme's funeral (EP3)... and then? couldn't he atleast have been enslaved with the wookies and eaten?
May 30, 2005 05:58 pm "Bush was not the first person to use that phrase."
who was? i dont think that it matters, because the context has changed. anyone intentionally putting that in there is going to be aware of context, and it's simply bush these days. bush owns that line now. i think lucas saw a parallel and it was too good to pass up. im not even sure of his politics, but even if i were a die hard republican i might consider putting that in there anyway. for the story's sake, it adds a bit of thematic resonance and connects it to what's going on in the world today.
the opening battle sucked, aye. but the one great part of that sequence, i thought, was when obi wan ejected from the ship as it entered the bay, and then killed something, all in one fluid motion.
R2 was too nimble, given his range of motion in the latter episodes, agreed.
i kind of liked how jar jar was 'redeemed' as a character in this one. he had only one shot, i think, when he was somber in the funeral procession. apparently he has standard, regular feelings too. actually, no, nothing could possibly redeem him now, given his annoying excesses in the first film. he's a permanent blight upon the series.
what's this tv show???? havent heard of anything...
May 30, 2005 06:57 pm R2DR never had rocket boosters for one thing... that pissed me off. The overuse of CGi was lame... especially when they went to mordor.. And while I'm on that, that lava should have killed both of them.
Also, what a lame reason for going to the dark side really... I mean if he wanted to save padme why did he kill her?
And the fact that jar jar was even in the movie at all (albeit he didn't speak) made it lose cool points. Worst character ever.
And what was up with vader being frankenstiens monster? Rising up from the smoke on a gurny type thing, thrty minutes later proclaiming, very over dramaticly, the brilliant phrase of... "nooooo".
These last three movies have really been the death of anything cool related to star wars. Thank you lucas for killing a classic.
May 30, 2005 08:38 pm atleast the books are good...with the exception of "Splinter of the Minds Eye" (aka the first book) the New Jedi Order series was great even with horrendus spelling and grammer throughout... supprised they killed chewie though.
The nice thing about the books is that, with the exception of Bossk's ship, the continuity is pretty good and referencing and expanding on events that occure throughout the timeline (a la Vergere and Zonama Sekot) which also brings in the "Unifying Force" concepts which appeared in EP2&3.
May 30, 2005 09:53 pm They never said that Vader killed Padme. He choked her but I think it was Obi that said that she will be fine when he checked on her, or something like that. That robot doctor said they didn't know why she was going down hill. I think Lucas wanted it for her to not want to live and so she lost her will to live and died of a broken heart. Very sad but I think they could have made that more noticable.
All in all I think the first three here are good. I think Lucas is a "fly by the seat of my pants" kind of writer.
May 30, 2005 10:03 pm there is going to be a star wars tv series that takes place between ep 3 and 4, should be interesting.
i agree on the R2d2 thing, they gave him all these abilities he never had? what was that all about?
May 30, 2005 11:26 pm I just had the chance to see this on sunday and I liked it. It was the best of the three new ones. It got cheesy from time to time but go back and watch the originals, there is a lot of cheese in those too. :) I do wish they had found better actors though.
Jun 01, 2005 03:20 pm well, I will admit that I am a Star Wars Geek.... lol Was 2nd in line for the first showing at midnight at my local theatre, and we made the newspaper amongst a couple of folks in front of us in line that were dressed up and up to MI from Chicago. lol It was a good time, and the movie fit the link pretty well. I admit the compatibility thing between Portman and Hayden, but other than that I am finally at peace also for StarWars stuff.. :)
Jun 01, 2005 03:24 pm Ok, so I didn't want to read this thread until I watched episode 3. I will admit I had very very little expectations for this one given episodes 1 and 2. Also I should say, I am a huge star wars fan. And I have read some of the books that come after Return of the Jedi.
With that being said, this one was better than expected, but I still have to dissent on all the use of the computer animation. It's just not as cool as physical models and costumes and parlor tricks in my book. Now don't get me wrong, some of the views of Coruscant and all the vehicles flying by in the background are cool, but not a single one of the characters would have been CGI if I had my way. Acting was bad, but that just continues the trend of the middle episodes, and I can let that slide. The one exception was Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan who I thought actually did a very good job of acting. Aside from the computer graphics, I think the main difference between this set and the original set is the way they try to dramatize everything and make everything these big moments. That didn't happen in the originals, and they also kept things a little lighter in the originals.
I agree with the r2d2 rocket boosters thing.
Another political thingy. Didn't Obi Wan say something like "Only the evil see things in black and white". Seeing things in absolutes (black and white, simplified) is a common criticism of Bush.
Also, Annikin changed to the darkside without ever really going through any torment. It was just like, I'm good, ooops, I just killed windu, oh well, I guess I'm bad now. Sure, I'll kill everybody you ask me to. No problemo emperor dude.
Rediculous. I also blame some of the bad acting on Lucas. As the director he needs to say, "Cut, that take was awful! Do it again but with less cheese!"
Overall, it was ok. Best of the new episodes. Not as good as the Clone Wars cartoons even though.
Jun 01, 2005 03:35 pm even if anakin could have showed something else in his face after he sliced windu apart. the emotional impetus for that sudden change is not in the script or in the acting. but the acting might have brought it forward more, if george had even known what to ask for from hayden.
Jun 01, 2005 04:45 pm Hey somebody bullsiht me yesterday Darth Vader RAPED the princess. It wasnt there when I watch it today.. !@#$ &^%* !@@)(*!!!
Jun 01, 2005 07:05 pm nice review by maddox this guy cracks me up, lots of spoilers so dont check it out if you havent seen the movie yet..
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3
im gonna half to agree with maddox on the Yoda thing.
:)
Jun 02, 2005 03:14 am a lot of his points are nonsensical and can be easily defused.
for example, the robots in the films have always had a cute side. r2d2 has always chirped and whirred, and c3po is and always has been a fragile whimp.
the movie is barely worth defending the other simplifications this guy puts forth, so i wont bother.
it was not a stellar movie, but in fact is is slightly better than the last two.
Jun 02, 2005 12:05 pm I wonder if I was the only one who laughed out loud when yoda got booted across the room by the emperor???
Jun 02, 2005 02:57 pm yoda especially needed to remain a puppet. he did one funny thing though. i was yawning at the time, so i didnt fully see it, but i think he lifted a finger and made some guards just pass out. the shot was framed where he was tiny and hobbling and they towered over him. it drew a laugh from the audience.
Jun 02, 2005 08:10 pm lol it was actually my fav movie of all time along with the classics, but acting was a bit iffy and LAME at some parts.... still the best prequel tbough
Jun 25, 2005 09:35 am I just saw it last night and thought it was pretty good, though there were some lame scenes. The birth of Luke and Leia were especially lame, Natalie Portman is not the bets actress in the world. I thought the scene where Anakin was in turmoil and starting to turn to the dark side was not emotional enough to make me understand why he did it, he just sort of all of a sudden pledged his allegience to the Chancellor with very little emotion.
I thought the fight between him and Oni Wan, while cheesy, was fun to watch...I didn't realize how f-ed up he got before getting into that bio suit...sheesh.
After that we went home and watched "Be Cool" which was a good laugh, Vince Vaughn played a great white guy thinkin he's black, yo! The Rock was funny as a gay body guard...Uma was, well, Uma.
Jun 25, 2005 01:37 pm I saw it a couple of weeks ago, and I totally agree about the birthing scene dB. It was like Padmei the Baby Factory baboom!: Luke. baboom! Lea. baboom: here's another one!
And the birth of Darth Vader scene was so lame with the Frankenstein's monster movements of Darth.
Jun 25, 2005 06:43 pm I think what would have been cool and totally throw all the "Star Wars nerds" for a loop is to have Pedmei actually have TRIPLETS. Course, it never be explained unless Lucas had a deal with an author to come out with a book about it. That probably be both negetive and positive reviews for Lucas for doing this. But imagine a series being about the third child returning to find Lea and Luke from growing up learning the skills of the Sith. Turns out that the remaining Jedi gave the third child to a secret associate of Lord Sithious, with the Jedi not knowing that. I think it would have been a great twist if you ask me. It would get so many more people wanting more Star Wars and turn them over to reading the novels which still come out to this day. I'm a Star Wars nerd too....just a thought.
Jun 25, 2005 06:46 pm One thing I thought was silly was the press about all the political overtones supposedly in the movie...I didn't really see them, well, I saw what one could see as polical messages if you really wanted to...kinda like those people that spin records backwards slower and slower until they think they hear a bad word or message...
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