Jan 17, 2005 05:57 pm Nae way, if she can somehow manage to keep an audience and sell her cheesy wares, rock on Ashlee, keep goin', but I can say I'll never buy any.
Petition to stop Ashlee Simpson from recording! sign it! :)
Posted on Jan 17, 2005 05:54 pm
xtc
Banned
www.petitiononline.com/StopAsh/petition.html
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Jan 17, 2005 05:57 pm Nae way, if she can somehow manage to keep an audience and sell her cheesy wares, rock on Ashlee, keep goin', but I can say I'll never buy any.
Jan 17, 2005 06:48 pm Man, over 46,000 signatures ! Yes, please help stop the madness, and let those people who sing/play in key, be vindicated !!! heh Which is probably all that will become of this well-organized rip-session . Still, a moment of personal thanks to you all who believe that as crazy as this buisness of making music can get, there are still certain obligations to those who's ears that are bent towards the art coming from your soul . Really... thankyou .
Jan 17, 2005 06:54 pm People really aught not take music, or any art form, so seriously, it sucks the fun right out of it, come on, let her rock out, even if she sucks at it, shes having fun and has made insane money, it's all good.
Jan 17, 2005 07:02 pm Exactly dB, if somebody manages to make it more power to them. Takes all kinds to make this world go round. :)
Dan
Jan 17, 2005 07:09 pm heh heh
Thankyou too, dB !
It is all good, and as serious as I sounded there, it is all pretty funny stuff, so I guess it is entertaining as well... just more entertaining, when done 'on-purpose' . ; )
Jan 17, 2005 07:28 pm If Ashlee ever heard me sing, she might put out her own petition. I'm with you guys...music is supposed to be fun and for enjoyment. Who wouldn't want to be livin' the big life of a rock star?
Jan 17, 2005 07:45 pm Gotta go with the others here. I'm not a huge fan, but hey there are lots of people that should not sing live but do. Some pretty heavyweights I might add. Keep on Rockin' Ashley.
Jan 17, 2005 09:15 pm LOL good pun, philthyone .
It just makes me feel greatfull towards the people who 'try', and 'do' . Also, I can't seem to draw any inspiration from either of her incedents . Maybe, I just need to have m'self a good train wreck of a show, to really appreciate where she's coming from with her persistance to show up, and do 'whatever' with a bunch of 'who's nexts' . lol
I know !...
I'll take the next musical-year off to work on drinking cheap alcohol, effectively deleting any musical-memory this frame may support . Then, I'll hire a bunch of top-notch musicians to perform with me at a New Years Eve party somewhere, and for my part : at any given moment, I'll will dance like a tart, and spout off a bunch of poor notes, effectively ruining any chance of a decent performance from what people there that night will forever refer to as 'the band that made us leave' . Chances are this technique won't be as effective, unless tickets to the party are, I dunno, like... $60-$120 a pop . hee hee Sorry, I guess I must achieve enlighten-upment, 'bout this one .
Jan 17, 2005 09:55 pm ohh man people are actually defending ashlee!!! nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
i dont really care if she cant sing, her motive for music doesnt come from the soul mon!, thats what i dont like!!!
lets face it you can have very little talent/creativity and work to create something decent.(speaking from experience! lol)
Jan 17, 2005 11:53 pm i just dont like the fact that she was on a major label before she even recorded or played her first live show. it was all handed to her.
i might have to sign the petetion. im sorry, my band works hard, and we give it our all, and we sit there watch tv, and see that she is on a major label, with everything just handed to her.
i just dont think that is right. music is suppose to be an enjoyment, and it is for people that work hard for it. but i dont know. this is just my opinion.
Jan 18, 2005 01:11 am xtc, how do you know where her motivation comes from? ;)
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i just dont like the fact that she was on a major label before she even recorded or played her first live show. it was all handed to her
There are all kinds of performers who have had it "handed" to them good and bad, it's still up to them to make it work. Whether she or anyone for that matter, has made it isn't stopping anyone else from making it. No reason to begrudge someone thier 15 minutes of fame just because we think we might be more deserving. :)
Dan
Jan 18, 2005 02:41 am <<Warning, this may come across as arrogant, uninformed and possibly stupid!>>
So, here's the thing. First off, I have not seen any of the debacles that have been Ashlee Simpson's "live" performances, so I am speaking on second hand knowledge. With that being said, if Ms Simpson is going to go out and try to get her 15 min of fame, she better be willing take the poops that any of us want to throw at her. That's part of being in the spotlight. And if she thinks she doesn't have to work, just go out there and fake it, then she better expect that some people are going to be offended/disgusted/jealous/upset at her.
Personally, I do the best I can to ignore these types. Hopefully they'll just go away. Well at least I don't have to deal with them. But with that being said, if I come across anyone who I think doesn't have the talent, yet tries to portray themselves as possessing it, I'm going to shout it at the top of my lungs. I'm going to let people know, this sucks! I consider it anti marketing. We all get bombarded with why we should like x, y, and z, I'm just trying to give people the other side of the story. Does this make me a "hater"? Good, I hope it does, I could care less! Conversely, if I come across something I like, I try and tell people about it and spread the word.
So bringing this back to Ashy, I hope people do sign the petition. I hope Ashy understands that not everyone thinks she is great. Maybe it will encourage her to get some talent. If she wants to keep rockin', then go for it, I will keep hating!
Jan 18, 2005 03:52 am Very nicely put Coolo
When I wanted to drive a car I had to take lessons, when I wanted to play the drums in a band I had to learn how to play drums. If Ashlee thinks that she can become a singer and no-body will notice that she is no good at it, then she deserves every critisism that is thrown at her.
Music IS an art and should not be treated as just another ladder to success. To me it's like cheating your way through school, if the only way you achieved your qualifications is by copying the person next to you, then that certificate you hold is a lie, and chances are that one day you'll get found out.
Jan 18, 2005 06:00 am Actually, from what i have read it's more their father (the hypodritical baptist minister that he is) that is whoring them out so much to "strike while the iron is hot), which is why they are being shoved down our throats, they are on the cover of all the mags with barely any cloths on (ya, nice baptist values there, pa) and stuff like that.
As far as the "her motive for music doesnt come from the soul" type of comments...how the hell do you know? My music comes from my soul, but I can't sing either...that doesn't mean that she doesn't have a little creative vision in her, even if those visions are not what come out in her album.
Honestly, we know nothing about her, and really, it shouldn't matter, it 's none of our business really. Get a grip peeps, it's only music...it's not like she is setting foreign policy, handling the economy or something important.
coolo, yeah, it came across a little arrogant. :-) I know this isa long shot, but, maybe somebody out there doesn't like your stuff, should they really go so far as to have a petition to make you stop?
Keep it real, man, again, it's only music...
Music IS an art and should not be treated as just another ladder to success., yeah, so says you, people view music different ways, I personally look at it as a business, there is nothing wrong with that, it IS a business.
Jan 18, 2005 07:07 am I know not of who ye all speak of but I do know of the type of stuff you refer to and I can see everyone's point - Coolo - I see your point big time too, and dB's.
We had a big debate on this one a while back and some folks got a bit upset ... but .. my take:
As far as I am concerned (PERSONALLY) I hate that type of stuff. Its not good to ME and I would never waste a penny buying it. That said, I agree with Coolo on folk who PRETEND to be good shouting aboot it - he, as am I as is anyone, entitled to say "NO yer RUBBISH - now shut up and dont tell ME otherwise!".
At the same time...
That is an opinion. Mine, yours and abody elses. So, we are ALL allowed one in this day and age. I mind dB saying something aboot relativity and its true - if folk are buying this (what I consider) rubbish then thats fair dues. Man, we need to consdier that folk are clever enuff to know what they like.
So I guess what Im saying is - I am with the dislikers here. I wont sign any petition cause I dont care that much. I just wont listen. Its does piss me off when OTHERS tell me "This is good" but that is just them, trying to push THIER opinion on me which I wont have. Simaliarly, I wont push mine on them...though ultimately, if we are honest and at least from a purely TECHNICAL point of view - some people cannot sing. Thats not say they dont enterain someone but some folk just plain CANNOT sing. As long as this can be agreed, all that surrounds it is opinion. Science will say if someone can sing (At least in tune) and thats what I thnk gets confused with all else that is discussed here.
Finally, I say - let them do it. They dont chagne nowt. Nobody will care in 2 years time. Nobody will really remember such artists but if it makes one person happy now, a kid or whoever is it that bad?? I know they are ripping em off "claiming" to be "singers" but lets no piss to much on the parade.
I also agree with OD...to the dude who's band arent there yet. Stick at it man - you WILL get there if yer good. Thats the truth...I remember reading the guy from Decca records telling John Lennon "Guitar bands are on the way out son - go and get a job".....Hmmmmmmm....as I Say, talent shines thru bud.
All; the best to ye all and long live Antares Auto Tune!!!
Coco.
Jan 18, 2005 07:14 am On that note, let me make it clear, I don't like Ashlee's music, I won't ever buy it, but nobody has any business telling anyone else they can't or shouldn't make it. That's my only point. Somebody's motive's, talent level or anything else is moot.
Jan 18, 2005 07:17 am That, Mr dB, is what I was tryin to say in a round abotu way!!
Gez, I really need to learn to paraphrase!! heheheehe..
Anyway, what he said...
Coco.
P.S. By the way, where can I hear this music ye all speak off?? I never heard this stuff yet! Just so I can pass judegement...ye never know - I might join the fan club :-p
Jan 18, 2005 08:16 am No, Coco, you wouldn't be. Just go to www.ashleesimpson.com and judge for yoself
While I am sure the petition is in jest, so many people just take music so seriously it makes it no fun. Peeps, ya gotta just lighten up.
Jan 18, 2005 11:22 am Quote:
xtc, how do you know where her motivation comes from? ;)
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As far as the "her motive for music doesnt come from the soul" type of comments...how the hell do you know?
well maybe i dont know but thats just my opinion on preconceived business/entertainment bands in general, theres just nothing there, except the sounds of cash registers ringing. Theres too many great indie bands out there that love music and i think if you listen clearly you can tell.
jimi hendrix wasnt a good singer, but yet his music was so true and just full of soul, and something you could feel. sure he made it big but even if he didnt do you think he would have quite playing?!? i doubt it.
my recommendation is to go buy both Shins cds!!!
Jan 18, 2005 11:28 am OK, that's fair, but then you are lumping Ashlee (or any similar artist) in with the sess pool of marketers, promoters and other such people. That really isn't fair.
Let me bounce this off ya...she could very well have been a kid like many, loves listening to music, writing poetry, singing in the shower and dreams of growing up to be a rock star. The only difference is that due to her sister actually having the talent (and she does) she got an express train to being able to actually do it. Perhaps she is being able to live a childhood dream because of the people you lump her with.
Personally, I would bet a HUGE percentage of people at HRC would friggin JUMP at the chance to have a tour, maybe even as a backing band member) of some big act, even not liking the music, thats called a career move and a career decision. And her, being the age she is, being handed the golden egg that she was, of course she took them up on it, what kid wouldn't?
Cut her a break, man...hate the label promoting it, or the producers making it, but ease up on the young lady that is doing it...
Jan 18, 2005 12:07 pm i agree with you, maybe her parents/industry pushed this whole thing on her, i dont know the history of it, i dont have a hatred for her specifically, probably more toward the mainstream industry in general. I like my blue collar bands!!! :)
I think alot of people have different goals in music and im sure alot of people would bite on the chance to go out on tour, reguardless of the type of music which is fine.
not trying to divert the topic but my goal is just to play with a band or just jam out in front of people just once before i die, in order to do that i need to over come my serious shyness and anxiety. for example when i fool around trying to record something as soon as the red light is on i choke!! maybe i need a high does of prozak or something.
Jan 18, 2005 03:45 pm Well for the record I don't even know who She is and probably wouldn't buy her music even if I did, but still no reason to wish Her anything but the best of luck and success.
Dan
Jan 18, 2005 03:52 pm money and art do not mix.
blame it on capitolism.
wyd
Jan 18, 2005 03:53 pm yes, obviously they do...and it's the cause of much discontent.
Jan 18, 2005 04:31 pm Hey Man
I am first and foremost a musician...if someone wanted me to pay me for it, I'd sure as hell take it.
Now, I dont know what many people out there think of my music but I do it for the love of music, playing ma geetar and making something I like. Period...
However, I may not be Slash/Jimmy Page/Jimi Hendrix on the geetar and I sure as hell aint nae Mick Jagger/Axl Rose or even a bloody Ian Brown....BUT - I'd take the dough if someone offered me a few mill to sing. I'd KNOW I wasnt the best (also not the worst tho!) singer in the world or even the best guitar player or songwriter but the point is...I'd take the $$$£££ - security for the family for life...darn right.
Ye canny knock it man....its horrible to the ears to hear someone who canny sing and its mildly annoying (And lets be honest - probs a bit of jealousy from some folks here) that tis not us...but, ye canny whack it!
We'd all have it....
P.S. Thats no selling oot...thats doing what ye love and being paid. I canny comment on if this lassie loves it but we CANNOT tell for sure I guess is what many are sayin here...
Coco.
Jan 18, 2005 05:19 pm [quote]I know this isa long shot, but, maybe somebody out there doesn't like your stuff, should they really go so far as to have a petition to make you stop?
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What are you kidding me? Like anyone would ever not like my music. Preposterous! Seriously though, if people didn't like my music, I'd welcome a petition letting me know. How are you supposed to realize you suck if nobody ever tells you? Though I wouldn't stop, I'd just use it as motivation to get better.
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it's only music...
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I actually try to take this approach with most everything in life, not just music. For instance, I can't stand Cap'n Crunch cereal. It's so crunchy it consistently cuts the roof of my mouth!
As for Ashy, I don't knock her for trying, but she does have to be willing to take her lumps if she's no good (obviously a very subjective thing, but if enough people agree...). And yes all these marketing/promotion people are scum (I'm one of em on a much smaller scale). I think we should remember that music was art before it was business.
Jan 18, 2005 05:28 pm there isn't any good/bad or right/wrong in art!
i could record pink noize and put a beat on it and call it music.
it's all opinion, and yours is just as valuable as ashleys grandmother (who thinks she's a darling singer) niether is worth anything. opinions are free. hell i think Toby Kieth should be shot, but there's 5 million rednecks down here who look up to him.
peace
wyd
Jan 18, 2005 07:13 pm Whilst were on opinions...I think ye should all bow to the master Ashleeeee....come on now!
Join the fan club...get the posters.
All together now "Ashleeee" "Asheleeeee"...just injectin some humoour to the thread ye'all.
Seriously - I think we all have our own opinion, there is little chance of anyone agreeing on this wholeheartedly but this is the difference between US and the POLITICIANS....we can SEE that.
So, we should all rejoice in being right and 100% smarter than the jackasses who run our contries!!
Cheers
Coco.
Jan 18, 2005 08:25 pm yeah but if you truely believe in the style of music you play, even if someone paid you a million dollars to play something you absolutely hated, how could you enjoy it?!? money isnt the only thing in this world, but for some people its what this life is all about. i can see it as a stepping stone, but not along term thing?!?
i had a discussion with a co-worker recently who believes everyone has a price, i told him thats totally not true, some people who value what they have become and what they believe in will never sell out!!! ofcourse he wouldnt see my point and we wasted about 40 minutes of time at work on the clock. hmmm
for example i dont exactly like my job, yes i need money to support the family, but im working hard and planning hard to eventually be doing something else because i want to be happy and thats what really matters!!! i truley believe you can become what you want to.
am i just babbling now or what :)
Jan 18, 2005 08:28 pm I'm hard pressed to think of a style of music anyone would offer me money to play that I wouldn't enjoy...I enjoy all kinds of music...I don't believe in a style, I believe in me.
Jan 18, 2005 08:31 pm While a petition is a fun way for those that really dislike Ashly to vent, thats all it would accomplish. If you really don't like her, just change the channel, don't buy her stuff, and pretend she does not exsist. Out of site, out of mind. This sort of thing is hardly worth the time of those here that are so passionatly throwing mud her way. I find it far easier to just ignore what I can't stand. Life is too short to expend energy on the things I deem 'Worthless'.
Jan 18, 2005 08:35 pm Quote:
I'm hard pressed to think of a style of music anyone would offer me money to play that I wouldn't enjoy...I enjoy all kinds of music...I don't believe in a style, I believe in me.
good point. so would this include satanic death metal, grindcore and free from jazz?
Jan 18, 2005 08:52 pm I would never be offered money to play those styles...that was part of my point. Bands seek out their own, I am not one of them...
Jan 18, 2005 10:47 pm Hey, anyone getting a buck to move from one hand to another is doing me a favor. If her howlin moves bucks around, howl on baby! Will she be howling in my house? No. But I glad she's howlin somewhere else!
Jan 19, 2005 08:49 am Well, my $.02 is that, instead of petitioning Ashlee Simpson to stop recording, petition the music industry to stop paying shoddy artists to record bad music. Im tired of being bombarded with the same ole crud on the radio. You get to the point that you find yourself singing along with music that sucks because you are FAMILIAR with it, not because you LIKE it. To that end, I have quit listening to the radio. If Ashlee Simpson is making money recording horrible music, that is testament to the fact that somebody, somewhere, is buying her music and merchandise. Perhaps there should be a petition to stop foolish people from spending their money on bad music! :-)
Jan 19, 2005 08:51 am Hell, I have only listened to talk radio for years...I gave up on that industry a looooooong time ago.
Jan 19, 2005 11:00 am LOL dB, I'm in the same boat. I found it so insulting to listen to some of the rubbish being pushed. I can admit that there are certain aspects to it, the actual song writing itself I can learn from. (The structure and chord choices for example) But as for my listening pleasure, it seems few and far between that and act can impress me enough to want to buy their music. Maybe it's me getting old, or maybe it really is the record companies gave up on artist development years ago. I suppose the latter is more accurate. It is truly understandable that so many new artists are going the route of the internet to sell their music. If your songs do not score high after being put through the new computer analysis, your not gonna be promoted by them.
Seems I could easily go on a rant on that subject. I will leave it for another day though. ;-)
Jan 19, 2005 04:24 pm seems like I missed a lot.
The difference, imo, is that ashlee, and many like her, mime. It's not that they can't sing that offends me, hey loads of totally amazing artists can't sing very well, it's that she cheats people into thinking she is singing, when she is in fact miming. And then she gets into a hissy fit when it all goes wrong and she gets found out.
There are many artists that cannot perform live, for many reasons, this fact does not negate their music in any way. If there is any intergity in their music and what they do, do they need to lie about it?
I was listening to Roger Eno tonight (brother of Brian) who happens to be a very talented musician indeed. Now his music appeals to, well not very many people. But, however, he retains his integrity by playing the type of music that is what he wants to play. Ok, he has guested on several albums, but nothing that has challenged his position to music. He has obvious in roads into music, but does not use them to make it rich, but to promote the music which he believes in.
Now what R. Eno does is different to what Ashlee does, not just musically, but fundamentally. I don't know how to put it into words, but the views here are that no-one would buy A. Simpsons records... well why not?? She produces nice poppy music doesn't she? Why wouldn't we buy it?
Jan 19, 2005 05:57 pm Yes... integrity . When Carly Simon played SNL, back in 1976, she was so afraid of performing live, that they filmed it just before the show . At least Ms. Simon did actually 'perform' . (quite well, too) Nobody cared that it wasn't live, at all . From Simon to Simpson, two letters and a 1000' plunge to where we're at now... sad .
Did anyone on the show back then ever consider then that this mess could ever be possible ? Perhaps, but I don't think so, if you consider that 20 years ago it was more important to have talent, AND integrity to make it on a level similar to either of these performers .
I could choose to be indifferent to this whole thing, BUT I can't help but feel disdain for the business/companies/artists that perpetuate this crap . NPR, and recordings are all I have now, thanks to people like these... everything else is a gamble . My thankfullness was directed towards those who make this 'gamble of the soul' a worthwhile pastime, nonetheless .
Lot's of others out there without a petition... she's just their poster-child .
So, kick the musical-dog that pissed in my radio, and sign that petition ...
heh heh
Bad dog !!!
Jan 19, 2005 06:23 pm Well I won't ever criticize anyone that makes it in this business no matter how dumbfounded I am about their lack of talent ie some famous rappers out there. Some how these people squeeze through that rich and famous door. All I have to say to them is: Teach me.
Jan 19, 2005 11:24 pm Well RC: Read the other post by dB per "Now this is some serious A1". It's time to reinvent oneself to what is "entertainement" today. Obviously this will stagnate music evolution even more as we look to past statistics to determine 'what is hot' in entertainment, but it will still evolve. Getting the pulse is the key. A little 'nip/tuck', a couple pounds of silicone, some panamining practice, enpough crack filler to look 18 and walla! U B DA Hit! I've seen a number of ...ah-hum 'street performers' that would be a shoe-in.
Jan 19, 2005 11:24 pm I believe Freddy Mercury said it best when he said something to the effect of.
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All I hear is Radio Ga Ga
Thats one reason I try to listen to everything at HRC, fresh , interesting, sometimes differant.
So I say let the others do whatever they want, we will still be us, and we will still make our music, our way!
Jan 19, 2005 11:26 pm Ya, Noise I can't agree more. For me I am just glad I perform and am still connected. To hear what I like I pretty much have to perform it. And ya know, it ain't all bad.
Jan 20, 2005 06:56 am CORRECT NOIZE..couldnae have put it better.
Thats why I dont buy much music these days except old stuff - they dinny make em like they used to.
Last CD bought was the last Green Day effort - its like, they have grown up and evolved...top band. But aye, theres not too much hot new stuff.
I say that commercialy. The stuff I hear round here is bloody awesome...awesome and REAL....thats why I like it
Coco.
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