Oct 17, 2011 11:48 am I'd be interested; But, I don't wanna steal K-Roger's thunder. If he's all in, then by all means... go for it. Not sure drums can trade off like guitar solos!!!
Brown Walrus Blues Collab
Posted on Oct 17, 2011 09:44 am
Hue
Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
www.4shared.com/audio/hix...tarDrums_1.html
Alright, here's the new collabs basic outline.
Once we get all on board that are up for it, I'll post a better version that has sterio drums, and a guitar track that doesn't have the issues that this one does. Also, Not sure if we should start off with the chorus/bridge the way it is, or start with the main theme, so... that can all be worked out with a quick vote from those who are inolved.
So far it's...
~Quickxkid on the mix.
~J-bot on Keys.
~Hippie on drums
~BBM, and M'self guitars.
~I may have someone interested in doing the bass line, too.
Hey! You! Guys!!!
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Oct 17, 2011 11:48 am I'd be interested; But, I don't wanna steal K-Roger's thunder. If he's all in, then by all means... go for it. Not sure drums can trade off like guitar solos!!!
Oct 17, 2011 01:18 pm Well, my thoughts are for keeping this within the HRC context. If you don't believe there's a place for two drummers in a 8+minute song, I would just as well keep you, and your drumming on an acoustic kit, for the drums on this one. Roger will completely understand.
Glad to have you on this, Hippie!
Oct 17, 2011 01:20 pm "If you don't believe there's a place for two drummers in a 8+minute song," talk to the Grateful Dead about that!
Oct 17, 2011 01:21 pm I'll be re-doing the guitar track soon, so you'll have something to work with that doesn't have other drums in it.
Oct 17, 2011 01:28 pm Naw, I understand... and it really is no big deal. I just thought it would 'add' to the song, rather than 'detract' from it. Layers of flavors... maybe add a bit of a challenge to Quicks end of this, at the most.
Oct 17, 2011 02:04 pm Quote:
talk to the Grateful Dead about that!
Ha! I never could understand that whole dual drummers thing in the 60's since they were both playing the same thing. IMO, I'd take a solid Neil Peart over any "dual drummer" setup any day!! LOL!!
I'm not saying you/we can't do it; just saying the layering approach would probably sound more like a hot mess than a cohesive track. Odd cymbal hits or not being in the same time sig. All that stuff. Perhaps breaking it up where Roger has the 1st 4 min and I'll resume on the last 4 min? That way, we're sharing air time.... just not at the same time.
EDIT: I haven't listened to anything so far (4shared blocked here at work) but wanted to ask: Would you prefer tame and rounded for this one or off-the-wall, bat-**** crazy?
Oct 17, 2011 02:20 pm Oh NO, I didn't really mean like puting them on-top of eachother! lol
Noooooo... that would be a hot mess!
Jus' a simple crossfade at some point that would provide for a transition. OR not...
Oct 17, 2011 02:42 pm I prefer 'acoustic', really. So, if it's a case of "all HRC, or no Hippie", I'll take the Hippie-jams!
My bad... we're falling in around 6:40 as it's layed out now, but that can change after we figure out where we're going with it.
Oct 17, 2011 03:37 pm Quote:
So, if it's a case of "all HRC, or no Hippie", I'll take the Hippie-jams!
LOL... Right on. I'm currently putting 'mud' on the new sheetrock in my studio, so it may be a week before I have my drums set back up to record. Still have sanding plus painting to go!! I think my shipment of acoustic foam came in today too!!!
Oct 17, 2011 03:42 pm Nice! Just check back here to see where we're at, from time to time.
Oct 17, 2011 07:35 pm Alrighty..... I've given the track a listen and I think we've got something to work with. However, I am proposing perhaps playing the faster tempo riffs maybe 2x in the song. Let's face it... guitar players want to shred and that's really the only window to do it in. So why only do it once? Here's my suggestion as our foundation:
I feel we could introduce that faster tempo at the 2:38 mark rather than repeat the intro/verses. Then, bring it back down for 8 measures... then back up again. As it is right now, it somewhat repeats itself all the way thru 4:25 mark. I'd really like to give this that Led Zep "Dazed and Confused" layout where we introduce a harder edge to the song in the middle, then play it out towards the end. Thoughts?
Oct 17, 2011 09:04 pm Interesting. I'd have to play on it a bit, but I think I understand what you're aiming at...
Basically doing, the slow-fast-slow-fast thing with it. Heat things up after each lull? Tea For One, to Dazed, and back...
Could be done, I guess. A different feel, for sure. Hmmmm.......
Edit:
Do you think that you could come up with the composition that you're talking about, without the guitar track? I would then rerecord the guitar it to that composition.
Oct 18, 2011 12:44 am YAY new collab. This is so much fun. Thanks for letting me stretch my mixing muscles on this. I like the progression of this one. Darker sounding than the last one. I myself prefer darker blues, so this is right up my alley.
And I just wanna say that, being a Zep fan, the idea of a tempo change a la dazed and confused sounds perfect.
It definitely sounds like a guitar driven song, with the picking while sustaining the chord and whatnot. But an organ or keyboard could fit right in! A la riders on the storm by the Doors. Anyway, looking forward to how it turns out.
Oct 18, 2011 04:24 am Yeah, like I said at the tail of the other thread, I'll probably aim for a "slower" kinda comping. Longer held out chords with maybe the occasional flourish in the upper keys. Not quite as much fancy frilly runs hehe. I'm going to aim for a nice warm gritty hammond sound on this one. Something like Jon Lord of Deep Purple maybe.
Not blues but:
He's used some heavier distorted sounds, so I'm thinking like a nice in the middle. But that dude rocks a Hammond lol.
Oct 19, 2011 08:15 pm www.4shared.com/audio/PG6..._re-work_1.html
Here's a version of the riffs in somewhat of an order that Hippie was refering to... I think. heh
I don't know... give a listen, I guess... see if this is the kind of 'off and on' we're looking for. There's no drums, but I did play along to the Roger-track, so it is in time for the most part... just a cut and paste of the two pieces. Something for you guys to noodle with, anyway... until we get a proper composition.
Oh, and under this composition, the tune comes in just under 8 minutes... that's without a proper intro and ending. : )
Oct 25, 2011 12:17 pm Haven't forgot about this... just trying to get my studio all reassembled before I begin to record. I found a place that sells rockwool locally, so I'll be making some bass traps to compliment my acoustic foam (as seen here in this article).
www.soundonsound.com/sos/...diosos_0706.htm
Oct 25, 2011 03:39 pm Dig.
I'm currently recovering from a 103-degree feever, and am just now getting to the point I can eat something(day 4). So, I've checked back from time to time, but other than that, I'm 'bout worthless to make any more changes in the composition, or solos, until I regain my strength. Those LPs are heavy, when you can barely get out of bed. lol
Uhg... sickly walsrus... back to-at bed. (: 3=
Oct 25, 2011 08:16 pm Just got back from a wedding on my end. I'm starting to feel kinda under the weather, but I'm hoping it's nothing. Just had some irritation in the back of my nose that feels like it's hanging around. I just hope it's nothing or doesn't turn into a sore throat. >_<
Hue, hope you kick the snot out of...well...the snot. Couple of my acquaintances subscribe to drinking the sickness out of them w/ beer or liquor or whatever, but I'm not sure I totally buy that theory, heh.
Anyway, hope you feel better soon.
Edit: Oh drat, a sore throat it has become. Or is starting to become. Hopefully it will be mild. >_< Ricola, thou art mine friend.
Oct 27, 2011 11:31 am yes yes yes!!! I'm having knee surgery next week. Laying around for 2 more weeks. I could hobble in to the ole music room n see whats up! --Hue,J-Bot....KY Bourbon!!!! I would love to take part if it's not too late. I can do guitar and bass. Unless J-Bot wants the bass. You're really good at it J-Bot! Vocals? I can sing a little, unless someone already has that covered. Just let me know how I can help. I love working with you guys!
Oct 27, 2011 11:32 am still using the 4shared that I set up?
Oct 27, 2011 09:36 pm www.4shared.com/audio/PG6..._re-work_1.html
Hells yes!
Why is it, 'everybody' plays bass? lol Roots of the progression stuff???
See what comes to mind with it, and we'll go from there... nothing is in stone with it as it is, so...
Feel better, br'ah. Glad you're in on this!!!
Oct 27, 2011 10:53 pm Yeah, just to re-iterate, I don't actually play the bass itself. I laid the original track down by keyboard using a bass sample from the NI Komplete 7 freebie bundle. (Armchair bassist? lol)
I think ultimately it would be better if an actual bass player did the bass track.
Anyway, this cold/sore throat mess of mine's got my ears alllll f-ed up. My left ear keeps getting pressure like being on an airline. :P I finally had to hold my nose and blow to get it to "pop" cause yawning/swallowing weren't doing the trick. That and the usual head stuffiness that makes me feel like I've got a wad of cotton up in my brain. :P
Again, loving my cherry/honey ricola. Definitely takes the edge off the sore throat. Er, the leftover stir-fry also helped nuke the baddies in my throat haha. I'm hoping I can kick the mess by the weekend.
Oct 28, 2011 09:19 am Man we all are a bunch of old sick people....lol..I missed some text where it said there was already a bass player. I know you did the bass on your keys, J-Bot. It just sounded so good.. But, Hue, if you already got someone who spoke up for the bass, by all means use him! I'll throw somthing in somewhere. Do any of you guys sing? I think somewhere along the line, we should do a song with vocals.
Oct 28, 2011 09:20 am I love the Deep Purple vid. BTW.
Oct 28, 2011 11:14 am Quote:
Man we all are a bunch of old sick people....lol
I'm tellin' y'a!
I don't remember the lhe last time I had to take a whole week off of work, just to recover.
Personally, I think I need to rerecord the track... after listening again, it seems I have a bad mic cord, or something inducing noise on it.(?) I'll get to it this week, or maybe wait until we decide on a composition for the three parts? Maybe with an acoustic guitar???
Yes, my bass player would like to give it a shot, if y'all are good with that? I liked J-bots 'armchair' bass, too though. As far as vox on this one... I dun'no... maybe we should wait for something a bit more standard? Do a cover, maybe? (did I say 'cover'!?! world ends in 5... 4... 3... ) lol Cream songs come to mind, with yous guys for some reason.
Deep Purple is an absolute! I feel good today... gon'na throw in the Made In Japan disk, and crank it!
Oct 28, 2011 11:52 am lol...glad you're feeling better, my friend. NP with your bassman doing the work.
On vocals.. I meant we should do vocals at some point, not necessarily this one. I'm assuming, of course, that these collabs could become a routine with us, and I hope they do! I have to be selective on what I do vocals on. I'm an OK singer, but I have a very limited range.
I'm just glad to be a part of the process.
To me, it's like building a model, making sure each peice fits the other well. In this case, there is no picture on the box, so the model goes wherever our imagination takes it. Very cool!!
Oct 28, 2011 07:05 pm Well said, and understood. I've been meaning to get into more collabs for a long time, here at HRC, and there has always been something in the way of one, or another. Being part of the process is what it's about, and if this or any future project that we persue turns into the same joy as the last one, I hope to do many more in the near future, as well.
There are still a few peeps,'round here, that I would really like to see jump into one of these, as well... got some tallented mf'er's 'round here!
Also, it's interesting to see how people that you 'see' speak about the technical-process of 'documenting' music, actually convey themselves creatively... I mean, let's face it, if you're 'here' trying to learne this either for a living, or reached this point via music being a hobby, you're probably not here on a day pass by any stretch of the imagination. heh
I love this site!
Oct 28, 2011 11:04 pm What about the 4shared. I didn't see the work in the locker. Did I overlook or did you open another account?
Oct 29, 2011 03:32 am This is where the idea is at fer now...
www.4shared.com/account/dir/3z4yZ1yB/_online.html
Nov 01, 2011 01:51 pm I got my studio finished up, so I'll try to track something this weekend. I'm not totally sold on the timing, but I'll give it a go regardless. If the timing is a bit off, i'll draw up the song layout and record some drum tracks without it. That may spark some additional ideas anyway.
Nov 01, 2011 02:06 pm That would work well for a new rhythm work-up on my end. Just give it a count in, if you would please. Don't mind if y'a start with or without the bridge... whatever feels best to you.
Nov 03, 2011 09:03 am HUE!! Good news and bad news. The good news is... I attempted to record some stuff last night and have some ideas that will probably take this song into a totally different vibe. The bad news is 2-part.
1. Not sure you're going to like it (hehehehe). What I'm doing gives this song more of a rock edge than a blues feel. Is that going to be OK? JBot was kinda thinking Deep Purple'ish with the organs.... so my beats kept it more in sync with rock tones than blues. I have some double-bass/kicks in there too to really spice things up.
2. I really need the parts re-recorded to a metronome. The verses were definitely hitting somewhere between 97 to 100 BPM. The soloing, however, sometimes spiked to 105 BPM and it was kinda throwing me off (cause i didn't really have a rhythm to follow). Is there something you can overdub for a rhythm behind the soloing just to give me something to follow? Even if its just power chords or chug-chugs in time with the metronome.
~Hippie
PS.... I saw a new FB notification for a "LIKE" that had 'HUE' in the name. THANKS, if that was you!!
Nov 03, 2011 10:01 am Heheheh... You've got my interest peaked, that's for sure!
Double bass... Deep Purple... heh heh heh
I will get these parts rerecorded to a metro-gnome, asap...
Any prefered BPM I should go with that you found works best?
Yeah, that was my 'like'. I went through and listened to all of the stuff that was there. Quite metal. heh Good stuff!
Looking forward to giving this riff a good twist...
Nov 03, 2011 10:23 am I kinda liked 100..... it will keep the verses still relatively slow but really kick in for the solos (cause I'll be playing 16ths and 24ths).
I can probably have the tracks done this weekend if you can have something prior to then.
Nov 03, 2011 10:33 am I will make an attemp tonight if possible.
Nov 03, 2011 05:08 pm I've been out of touch on my end. Finally almost done being sick haha. My ears are still popping a smidge when I yawn, and generally my right ear pops more easily, so my head's "panning" is a little off sometimes. >_<
Man, I was expecting it to be mild from the way it started, but jebus was I wrong. Sore throat for 4 days followed by kicking all the goo out of my system, which I'm still doing. Bleh. :P I finally started feeling pretty good about a day or two ago, and I'm definitely feeling better today.
You know you've been sick when you spend a whole 5 minutes or so just blowing your nose. My sinuses/nose feel like a pocket of natural resources waiting to be found and extracted or something lol. Enough "organic" fuel to power a small vehicle maybe. Bahaha xD
Okay, I'll stop.
Anyways, once Hue and Hippeh get some foundations laid down, I'll see about laying down some keys.
Nov 03, 2011 07:29 pm Well I'd hate to keep everyone guessing and I surely want feedback before I do the real tracks, so here's a short snippet of where I'm going. Let me know if you guys are like... "Whoa... that's way too aggressive" or if it inspires!! Bear in mind, this is just ****'n around... not in time in some places.
I used BBM's 4shared account; I figured its already shared out to everyone here, so may as well keep using it. Hope that's kewl, BBM?
www.4shared.com/audio/_ei...alrusBlues.html
Nov 03, 2011 09:11 pm J-bot, you reminded me of that scene in Spinal Tap, where the bassist keeps blowing his nose, and playing with the tissues. lol Glad to hear you're feeling better!
Hippie, listening as I type... heh Sweet! Too much? I don't think so, but it will require a bit more from the rhythm section to balance things out. Deffinately adds some killer dynamics to the song! Lovin' it, thus-far!
I'm currently uploading a metrognomed-track of just the rhythm at 100-BPM, as requested. It is much better, both in quality of recording, as well as timing. Since it's the same rhythm, and key throughout the song, I did not section it off with the lead parts as before, It does have a five-measure count-in before the start, and I did start it with the bridge.(seems more dramatic for some reason)
Here we go guys! This is gon'na be a sick one! heh heh heh
Edit: I loaded it into BBMs 4-shared as well.
Nov 03, 2011 09:25 pm Takes a while, doesn't it? : p
Nov 03, 2011 09:37 pm LOL.... yeah man, especially if you're uploading a WAV file. Post the link to the html page when you're done. I'll check it out tomorrow.
Nov 03, 2011 09:41 pm Alright. Hovering around 37% for a while now.
Edit: restarted upload... one more try before I crash.
Nov 04, 2011 07:41 am Guess it didn't upload on the 2nd attempt either? Maybe try converting it to MP3 instead; shrink down the file size.
Nov 04, 2011 08:32 am It's here! = p
www.4shared.com/audio/yIh...thm_100bpm.html
For some reason it wouldn't let me put it where I was trying. Oh well, Quick can snag it from this account, I guess.
Nov 04, 2011 08:58 am I'm really not the best at 'knowing' what the hell it 'is' I've played after I write something, however in an attempt to lend a hand to BBM and J-bot, I believe the rootnotes for the chords to be...
G, C, Em, and D...
Errrrr.... something like that. lol
Oh, and it is with a drop-D tuning, as with everything I've written in the last 10+ years, it seems. heh
Nov 04, 2011 03:25 pm Hi fellas.
I read somewhere that the human head is capable of storing over 4 lbs of mucus! :)
I'll give it a listen today. Had my knee surg. 2 days ago, and I'm just now starting to feel normal, and barely able get out of my easy chair. I'm glad you guys are moving this one along. Perhaps in a few days I can make it into my music room. Thanks for including me!!
Nov 04, 2011 03:46 pm 4 lbs?!?! Sheesh! That's nasty! lol
Glad to hear the surgery went well. Was it something that they had to 'knock you out' for? I hate anastestic... I always wake up swingin'. lol
I would have a real-hard time 'not' asking if you were interested, in a blues-collab, bud. Get well, and grab that Tele... lean hard/heavy on a solo or two, 'cause Hippie has thunder in mind for this 'un! heh heh
Nov 04, 2011 03:55 pm absolutely!! i was hoping you would keep using the 4shared! it don't belong to me, it's all of ours!
Nov 04, 2011 04:02 pm Thanks Hue...I already had a metalish tone in mind.
Yea they put me out, repaired a miniscus. Very minor as far as knee surgury goes. But, I must admit im a bit of a sissy, when it comes to hospital stuff, and being knocked out. I can just imamgine a room full of people all standing around, looking at my junk...lol
Nov 07, 2011 12:43 pm I'ma be the "So-ahh guy"...
So, ahh...
Anybody do anything over the weekend with this puppy?
This was the first weekend I had the band over, since being sick a while ago. Man, that felt good! All that volume, and... and ... volume! Jus' felt real good. The Flextone is operating as it should again,(for now) but has me considering the reliability of the modeling-technology that it's designed around. I think I may be ready to reconsider a good tube set-up, and in my research happened accross Carvins new V3m... what a 'lil beast that thing is! I just may have to start saving my pennies
Nov 07, 2011 02:16 pm I was going to get to it Saturday, but just got soooo busy with work around the house that I just ran out of steam.
I checked out the latest track but haven't worked with it at all. I was a little surprised because I didn't think the "verse" chords were going to be repeated through the "solo" parts. That makes it a little bit harder to "feel" where the changes in temop should occur. That being said, I'll compare the last attempt with this new one and time stamp where I need to change up the drums. I should have something by end of day, today (maybe).
Nov 07, 2011 03:50 pm Right on. I thought that may be a problem for y'a, but wasn't sure... no biggie... I will work a chugging-rhythm into it, in place of every third verse. I wanted to not 'pigeon-hole' m'self or BBM to/from the notes selected in that particular run. I will work on it tonight, if possible. = )
Nov 08, 2011 10:56 am It's all good.. I think I worked it out (though still not "perfect"). I've built the song to reflect a progression of Led Zep influences!! The first wave of verses is a "I can't quit you babe" type of vibe.. then switches into a "Kashmir" beat... then finishing up with "Immigrant Song." That said... all the verses are distinct with the "solo" parts being somewhat metal!!
I wanted to post the link last night, but this site was having all kinds of issues. However, the uploads are there in the HUE directory on 4shared. There's the MP3 with your original track and the WAV file which is just drums. If you can work with it... great. If not.. I can do again (with new scratch track defining changes in the song).
Nov 08, 2011 12:57 pm Sweet! Will hear this evening.
I didn't get to track last night... I was swapping guitars. heh heh
I lost my 2001 Epi LesPaul Studio w/Floyd and D'marzio Evolution, one of my most loved axes...
BUT...
I gained a 1983 J.B. Player Stratocaster... Neck-thru-body design, Kahler 7300 Tremolo, Fender Noisless pups, TBX Tone circut, and Calapton Mid-boost circut, Graphtech graphite nut, and roller stringtrees, and Sperzel locking tuners.
= P Yeah!
This beast sounds like nothing in my herd, and has just about every mod I would've thrown at a Strat... did I mention it was a neck-thru design? heh heh
Nov 08, 2011 03:46 pm Hope it serves ya well, Hue! (note to self, pick up the old acoustic and start trying to learn to play again) :P
Nov 08, 2011 03:58 pm Thanks, bud! She is a sick thing, with tones that I really am not quite used to dancing with... gon'na have to set-up preamp sections that work well with the single coils, and learn how/when to apply that mid-boost.
Nov 08, 2011 10:03 pm Dang, Hippie! lol S'good!
I can see how not having the other vibe would've made this a bit more difficult than it should've been. Nice work, though... definately pulled it off. The composition that you have for this sounds like it will work sweetly with a chunkier rhythm, too.
I will have time tomorrow evening to touch on this. It's been a hectic last coupl'a days. Really looking forward to it!
Nov 09, 2011 02:43 am Thats a pretty guitar! I love the pick guard. Thats called tortoise shell right? And its just THAT much cooler cuz its all worn. I'm sure the worn finish makes it sound better :P And have fun with that tremolo (whuuurraaarrhhuuoourauououououraaaa)
Nov 09, 2011 08:30 am Thanks Quick. Yeah, tortoise-shell. Actually, I've heared from more than one source, that the more an instrument is played, the better it sounds... something about the molecules 'aligning' themselves via the sound-waves that course thru the wood.
This is actually the first Kahler-brand trem I've had the pleasure of owning. I must say it is a comepletely different beast... alien, even. lol
Deffinately holds tune well, and is somewhat smoother than what I'm used to with the collar-handled Floyds. Oh, and absolutely no trem 'noise' going on. Like'n it!
Excellent trem-worble/dive typed-effect .. I sound just like that! lol
Nov 09, 2011 07:27 pm Working on an overdriven-rhythm track right now... not perfect, but wanted to get some opinions on the approach before I went too far. I'll post a surely-fried-mix of the new rhythm-concept tonight, if all goes well. I'll pan the new track a bit away from the last work-up.
Nov 10, 2011 07:50 am Pretty kewl.... my only suggestion is to strip away the underlying "original" track when the double-kicks come in and save that air space for the new track plus whatever solos (guitar and/or organ). Obviously, this recording was laid over the top of my track, so stripping anything away would have removed the drums as well. But you know what I mean!!!
The only other thought is to maybe leave open that segment of the song where I kinda do just tom rolls before going into the "Immigrant song" rhythm.... leave that wide open for JBot to groove on (like... just some power chords or something light)..... and then come in with the crunch on guitar to finish it out. Kudos!!
Nov 10, 2011 08:30 am Oh, yeah... this was in no way any type of actual 'mix'. Just wanted to get somefeedback on the approach. Glad you like! Next one will be a bit better.
Uhm... at what 'time' does that tom-play come in? Just so I don't get it mixed up with something else. No problem making room any where in it for others. This is turning out to be a bit different than I had originally concieved, and I'm really digging the direction. Can't wait to hear everyone else, as well! Stoked!
Oh, and this last segment was done with the new Strat. I'm really digging her... keep bringing it to work... can't put it down! heh
Nov 11, 2011 11:43 am Actually, working with a track of 'just drums' would be the best for a new rhythm... whenever you get a chance to throw that track up, Hippie, I'll get on with producing the rhythm chops proper-like. = )
Nov 12, 2011 09:17 am Hue,
When I uploaded the MP3, also uploaded a WAV file, just drums. To download the WAV file, just login to 4shared with the BBM account. Its in the HUE project folder. Can you use that or were you looking for something new?
Nov 12, 2011 11:04 am Oh! Ok... didn't see it. I can use that one fine, however I don't have the login info for the BBm account.(kind'a why I made another account. lol) Do I need it to download that one?
Nov 12, 2011 11:08 am Nevermind, snagging it now. = )
Nov 17, 2011 07:49 pm Recorded/Uploading a OD'd-rhythm track for this tonight... will post link in AM. Sorry it took a while... busyness. = )
J-Bot... If this seems too off/weird to work with, let me know, and I'll do what it takes to accomodate.
Hope all is well with everyone.
How's that knee, BBM?
Cheers!
(: 3=
Nov 17, 2011 09:58 pm Okies, I'll give it a looksee when it's up tomorrow then, and see if I can play along with it. :)
(also note to self: get my butt to the courthouse to see about the license tag reimbursement!)
Oh, and I found my cell phone. 'Twas in my wife's car after all hehe.
Nov 18, 2011 07:11 am Here it is...
www.4shared.com/audio/1xx...ODRthmGuit.html
... y'a may want to try it with a quick mix of the drums, this, and the clean rhythm... not sure if the 'lonely fuzziness' of just this track will work for you.
Nov 20, 2011 01:03 pm Hi Guys,
Knee hurts like a biatch,but thanx...I'm getting better. I did a cpl of test trax on my end. I'm working on diff tones, and trying to do a tastey dark minor thing wth some distort, and delay. I can show u what i got, but it not so impressive. I'm going to tweak with it today. I hope I'm not taking to long. This one is really making me think outside my box. I like the challenge. Love that strat too!
Nov 20, 2011 04:19 pm Good to hear you're doing well. Healing does take a bit of time. There is absolutely no rush at all. That's what makes these colabs so cool... no pressure... all fun, and creativity. This riff has been something I've been forcing my band to 'endure for over a year', as nobody can get a grip on it... it's silly-simple, but their just not wired for it, I guess. Hippie already ownes it, and I don't see you, or J-Bot doing anything less, yourselves... whatever that may be. heh That's the other cool part... the 'stretch' that others lend to a piece... the big surprise-factor when it's all done, and sounds like nothing anticipated! = p Also, if you hear anything that I need to tweak in any of my performances, PLEASE don't hessitate to tell me, so I can fix eeet.
Hippie- Is the part that I played, where the 'toms' are, ok... on the dirty-track? Too wet/weird? Anyone? (8 3=
Nov 20, 2011 07:21 pm Thanks brother. I want you to hear this, and give it to me honest. I tried several different things today, but this is the one that I wound up keeping. Just 1 lead for 1 of the slower portions. i put it in after the song cycles once. It took 2 percocets and a couple glasses of Evan Williams egg-nog. I uploaded it in the 4shared locker. I track of the lead alone, and this one with the lead roughed in. When I uploaded it, I failed to get them into the Hue folder. They are just mixed up in all the files under the folders. I also made some sort of accidental copy folder trying to move the files. Perhaps one of guys could clean up the mess in there. I've no clue how to....Anyway heres what I got ......[URL=www.4shared.com/audio/KBP...rus-bbm-roughed in.wma[/URL]
Nov 20, 2011 07:28 pm I'll work on getting more to put in, or an alternative as I can.
Nov 20, 2011 08:40 pm Wha?! Awesome! Well, I did not expect that at all!!! lol
Ok. Honest opinion here... I like it... however, it may be a bit over the top to introduce the Whammy so soon in the song. It seemed a bit 'abrupt', but that may be just me.(?)
Pretty friggin' cool, though! Veddy cool choice of notes. I suddenly see this going more Floydy than Zed... If Floyd could be so heavy. heh
This is needing the bass and keys more, and more to lend a bit more insight as to the direction. I'll see what I can do about the bass-guy, now that we have somewhat of a idea of sorts.
J-Bot!!! = p
Nov 20, 2011 11:49 pm lol..as sobriety sets in, I can see your point.
I just get some sort of dark, metal feel with it. I tried getting a sort of twin lead effect with it. I even invented a minor hammeron for the end. lol
Try to picture the grim reaper, at night, on a hill, in a storm, lightning all around, with a guitar that looks like some sort of weapon. lol
I do agree it's early in the tune. Perhaps it can be pasted a few cycles later in the song? If you don't like it, it wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit to scrap it.
I'll take another jab at it, and try a different mind set. I'll just have one percocet instead of 2....lol
Nov 20, 2011 11:59 pm PS..my wife was like "WTF are you doing in there?!"
Nov 21, 2011 07:35 am Hey im keen to hear the finished product. When?
Nov 21, 2011 10:25 am BBM- Luv the visuals for that solo!!! Nice. Too funny about your wife, too! I know the 'look', all too well. Take some time to play around with your tones, etc... there are still other parts to get done, so one of those pieces may influence a note, or two. I like the Whammy effect... deffinately something to consider for a solo or two... or even sumpin' to compliment whatever Hammond-line J-Bot comes up with.(ala Zeds 'In The Light', maybe?)
Your last comment reminded me off something funny...
Speaking of J-bot...
J-bot: There's a big chunk of 'empty' at the front of the song that might be cool for some sort of keys-intro. Just a thought. = )
Dematrix- Glad to see we've spiked your interest. Unfortunately, we will serve no collab before its time. ; ) There's still a ways to go on this one, so... can't really say when we'd be done, but hoping to finish within the month. Who knows, though... if the holiday-madness sets in before we're done, it may take the rest of the year. heh
Nov 21, 2011 06:10 pm Yeah, my goal is to get something uploaded by Wednesday night. Thursday we're heading to Galesburg, IL for T-day with some extendeds. Weekend is our anniversary. And we'll be down in Charlotte, NC from Dec. 16 - 30th. To visit my wife's folks for xmas.
So pretty much like Hue said, gonna try to get something done real soon here, else it might be post new-year's before we get'er'done lol.
Nov 21, 2011 08:09 pm J-Bot...Sounds like you might be coming right thru KY. If so, hit me as you pass!
Nov 21, 2011 08:42 pm Thoughts....
I guess I was hearing the song a bit different so I wanted to share my thoughts and see what you guys all thought: When I did the drums, I broke it down in parts of 3. Follow along and see if this makes sense:
From :24 thru 1 minute: Add the "deep purple" organ
From 1 min to 1:40: Some really cool "rhythm"
From 2:00 to 2:38: BBM Solos
From 2:38 thru 3:25: leave Hue as is.
From 3:27 thru 4:10: JBot Organ again
From 4:25 thru 5:00: BBM Solos
After that.... some really deep, dark organ and trade offs. The point is... all solo work done during the "double-kick" parts whilst the verses have really dark overtones.
Just a thought. Obviously, this is ad-lib, but I want to make sure my drums follow a pattern of doubles over solos. It really will sound kick-***!!!
Nov 21, 2011 08:45 pm BBM, would if we were drivin', but we be flyin'. (and her parents reimbursed for the plane tickets woot)
I think her parents drive up thru KY and IN when they come visit us though, right through the middle hehe.
Nov 22, 2011 08:36 am Makes sense, Hippie. Off the top of your head, are there any parts in the OD-rhythm that I did that could be done more 'appropriately' to the composition that you've mentioned? I will go over it again, tonight to see if I can wring a bit more out of it, and tweak my timing on a few parts.
Nov 22, 2011 08:20 pm Uploading the new overdriven-rhythm mix now...
Not 'too' new. I tweaked some of the first one, and added a second, and third, then panned them differently. There are some new accentuations within the rhythm that step up the guitar a bit for the heavier drum parts... not really solos pers'e, just accent notes to the rhythm... something to keep it 'busy enough'. I kept the original clean-piece quiet on-purpose. Sounds kind'a 'full', from here.
Hope you like... as always, let me know if I need to tweak further. Also, this is not a 'mix'... just for example. I will upload separate, mono tracks if I get the 'ok' on the the ones that I present... this may be good for the OD-rhythm, so let me know. I'll place the link here, when it's done.
Nov 23, 2011 07:25 am Linkage...
www.4shared.com/audio/7-pGtsxw/WalrusODrthms2.html
... definately not 'perfect'.
Nov 23, 2011 07:22 pm Uploading an mp3 with my Hammond sound and the rest of us, and I'm uploading a Wav of the Hammond sound alone.
It's pretty rough, but I wanted to get something out tonight. This is with the previous Rhythm part, not the newest, so I'll probably changed it up when I fit in the new stuff. And I'll probably re-adjust again once the bass player gets some stuff down. :)
Happy Turkey-day in advance.
www.4shared.com/audio/FTX...mmondInMix.html
They are in the Hue folder in the BBM account. Wav still has another 20 minutes of uploading though, but the mp3 is up and listenable.
Wav file is up. www.4shared.com/audio/aQE...BotHammond.html
Also when I go back and re-do/fix/etc. I'll probably make the held chord in the bridge a bit shorter. I'm using the built-in Delay/Verb on the greenmachine amp sim since I felt it fit better with the overall sound.
Nov 23, 2011 10:36 pm J-bot... Listening to your 'test-mix' as I type, now...(x3)
I must say, it soes work better without the wall-o-sound guitars.
Needs a tighter rhythm-guitar track to be 'the only one', but it makes, 'space'-sence. I dun'no... havent heard from our 'producer' in a while on this one... like a good producer. ; p But I digress, now would be a good time to hear from Quick. A few technical opinions might help us, help this along. Oh, Mike!
... Nice test-mix, J! And a pretty really well-balanced perfrormance. It sounded good throughout. I especially like the initial-introduction of your instrument... sick! Having the 'one' overdriven-rhythm along with your keys is HUGE. I'ma make a mix of just you and Hippie, then re-do the od-rhythm track to fit a bit tighter in it... a combination of the riffs used between the three that were heeped-into the last rendition of mine.(uhg) I'll have to spend a bit of quality time with this one, weeding out my, e'hem... crap. heh
Sounding better as we move along!!! I like this mix's energy quite a bit. The organ sets this riff right off! Rough? Pfft... You got tha swang, J-Bot! lol Good @#%!
This is going to friggin' ROCK! Bwahahahaaaaa!
Nov 23, 2011 11:43 pm Yeah, the whole WoS thing was more for my inspiration than anything else. Not really intended for the final idea, and it's not really a mix. Just plugged everything together, and didn't even throw so much as a limiter on the master.
Glad you liked the performance though. Once we get the bass in and some other stuff cleaned up, I'll give it another go or two hehe. :)
I would have used BBM's track for the backing, cept apparently Reaper doesn't like/recognize WMA files. :/ So I just downloaded the individual stuff and the DrumNRhythm track and chucked em in Reaper.
Nov 24, 2011 08:22 am Right on. Hammondy-stuff gets me a bit animated. lol
Happy Thanksgiving, guys!
I'm going to eat waaaaay too much today.
Cheers!
(: 3=
Nov 25, 2011 01:45 pm Right on, J-Bot... I was having Blue Oyster Cult flashbacks listening to this!! Once Quick gets his hands on this... i imagine we may just be asked to play on the Judas Priest/Thin Lizzy tour!!!
Dec 10, 2011 03:30 pm ***BUMP****
Hue, I can't for the life of me find the distorted guitar file that's in time with the rest of us. Can you provide the link again or upload to BBM's "4shared" account? Here's a quick mix-down if you need to re-record or have new ideas after giving this a listen.
www.4shared.com/audio/avA...Blues_Mix1.html
Dec 11, 2011 11:59 am It's really coming together. I don't think my guitar ride was what Walrus had in mind. I was waiting for the song to form a little more before I tried it again. Looks like its reallt taking some shape now. Good job!
Dec 12, 2011 09:36 am I just now have found this 'bump'.
Hippie... thanks for the mix. This will help, as I really didn't care too much for the distorted tracks I did before the Hammond. I was going to touch on this over the weekend, and distractions did occour. I may be able to get to it tonight, though.
BBM... I liked what you did just fine. It was pretty unexpected, though. lol Which is good, too. I wouldn't doubt that by the time this is done, that same solo will fit right in. These colabs are great for stretching things a bit. I had to give music a rest for a while, and since I've revisited this, I'm getting a few other ideas that did not exist before.
Hopefully tonight, those ideas will still be intact. ; p
I will post linkage when done.
Dec 13, 2011 07:51 pm ... and by all means, keep the Whammy solo.
Dec 13, 2011 08:29 pm Until quickxkid gets to mess with it, here's what it sounds like so far!!
www.4shared.com/audio/a-_...Blues_Mix2.html
Dec 14, 2011 04:01 am Is this my que? Is everything tracked and ready for mixing? I'm stoked to get my hands on this.
Dec 14, 2011 08:41 am Well, the drums and keys sound great... I'm happy-enough with the OD-rhythm... all we need is a bassline, and a couple-few solos from BBM, and myself to round things off.
I guess if you wanted to get things rolling, we could add those as it goes?
Dec 14, 2011 09:45 am Quote:
all we need is a bassline, and a couple-few solos from BBM, and myself to round things off.
AGREE! Bass and two more solos to finish this up!!
Dec 14, 2011 10:44 pm I was a bassist before I was a guitarist, before I was a drummer, before I was a mixing engineer. I'm calling dibs!
Dec 14, 2011 11:21 pm So I just imported the tracks into my daw, and something's not adding up. There's a drum track by itself, an organ track by itself, and then a couple different mixes with guitar? And the mix with the guitar and drums has a different drum take than the isolated drums? Hmm...
Dec 15, 2011 02:19 am I haven't looked at the folder since I uploaded the organ. Maybe the track with the guitar+drums was an older iteration?
I haven't sorted everything out yet or created a "final" folder yet. :/ So it should all be in Hue's Project folder I think. I'm not sure which tracks are the "correct" tracks, so might have to go by the upload dates. (or wait for the guys to respond)
Dec 15, 2011 08:40 am I cleaned up the file, so you don't have to weed 'em out... here are my two guitar tracks:
www.4shared.com/account/d...l#dir=115221223
One clean, one OD'd. Starting points are a bit weird between the two, but you'll 'see' what to do. Sorry 'bout the mix-up.(npi)
Oh, and if you want the bass line, that would be swell. I was going to have someone do one tonight; but if you want it, you got it. Also, I will have a track of solos for you to 'sprinkle about' the song as you deem fit after tonight.
Cheers guys! This is going to be pretty dang sweet!
Dec 15, 2011 03:41 pm @Quickxkid...
Yeah, some of the files are in Hues "4shared," whilst others are in BBM's "4Shared." I can get you the names of the files used for my "mix2" later tonight (if band practice doesn't get to be too late).
Dec 15, 2011 07:23 pm Here are the files by name that I have in the project.
Drums: hue_walrusblues_drums_take1
Organ: walrusjbothammond
OD guitar: final_walrusodrhythm
Clean guitar: walrus rhythm 100bpm
Are these the final tracks?
Dec 15, 2011 09:36 pm That appears to be correct, yes.
Dec 16, 2011 12:30 am I have a mix for you guys. I stepped a little out of my comfort zone and went for a more classic/vintage feel. Lemme know what you think.
http://soundcloud.com/quickxkid/walrus-blues-1st-mix
Dec 16, 2011 09:45 am Diggin' it so far... nothing is 'stepping on' anything else, and each instrument sounds great! Hope there wasn't too much EQing, and/or nudging to be done.(?) Nice work, so far!
I really like where you chose to place the parts. Adds alot of dynamics, especially on the bridge pieces... nice, big cresendo feelings!
Bass sounds good, too! Not intrusive at all... solid.
Idea...
There are nine verses... how 'bout alternating solos from BBM, and m'self, skipping the 7th-verse where the Toms/Hammond reside, up to the 9th-verse when we could be panned to each side for a dual-solo-thing, ala Sabbath/COC? Might add to that last cresendo a bit?
... just and idea. Also, I got'ta have more Whammy! BBMs Whammy solo should be in his 4shared account.(?) I'm missing it in this mix! lol Might do real well on the 6th-verse.
(: 3=
Edit: Perhaps we could come up with some kind of ending for this?
Dec 16, 2011 10:38 am Nice!!! Great job, everyone; we're only 6 songs away from an album!!
Dec 16, 2011 03:16 pm AH, I didn't see it. I was looking in the hue project folder, its just in the main folder. I'll add it in tonight.
Dec 16, 2011 03:32 pm Oh, and there was A LOT of nudging :P
From what I understand, the clean guitar was recorded first and the drums were recorded along to it? That can usually make for timing issues, which it did. So after much editing I think the drums are sounding a lot more in the groove with the guitars.
Dec 16, 2011 03:56 pm heh heh heh Sorry 'bout that. Apearently a metronome planted squarely up my arse didn't help me a damn bit. lol
You rock, Quick!
Dec 17, 2011 03:42 am For some reason, soundcloud doesn't wanna upload the whole thing. It stops just short of the crazy tapping/fifth filter/delay solo.
I'll upload it to the 4shared. Here.
www.4shared.com/audio/YDw...__2nd_mix_.html
Dec 17, 2011 03:45 am Dang, upon listening I realized I cut off a smidge of the end when exporting. And 4shared converted it into a low quality mp3 for previewing. I guess you'll have to download it to listen in its glory.
Dec 18, 2011 03:48 pm www.4shared.com/audio/eW3gvHog/walrus_SLIDE.html
Here's a little 'filler' I thought may work for a layer of vareity within the mix. It's just a little slide-piece that seemed to work on the 3rd, and/or 8th verses... so, that's where I stuck 'em.
Use one or both or neither if you want to, Quick... your call. The link is just the slide-file... not a mix.
Dec 18, 2011 06:14 pm These are so fun. I love the internet. I'll have a mix up in a few.
Dec 18, 2011 06:42 pm Ha!
Let us know when we should call this one 'done', and if you'd care to do any more.
Dec 18, 2011 06:55 pm I think the slide would be cool if it were a bit more clean with a little grit. But even so I think the song is good enough as is. It didn't sound any better no matter where I stuck it, and why fix it if it aint broken right? I've got the final mix up on the 4shared and soundcloud.
www.4shared.com/audio/YWmr72GF/Walrus_Blues.html
http://soundcloud.com/quickxkid/walrus-blues
Dec 18, 2011 06:58 pm Right on! = ) Done it is.
Shall we break for the holidays and consider something else at a more appropriate time?
Nice work, all.
(: 3=
Dec 19, 2011 01:29 am Something else as in a new song or as in new parts for this one? I could end up standing corrected but I feel like this one is done. But I'm just the mixing engineer/bassist.
Dec 19, 2011 09:25 am I was refering to something new. I'd call this done too, unless BBM or J-Bot has more leads they'd like to see on it.
Dec 19, 2011 06:59 pm Yeah, I'm at my wife's parents' for the holidays, and won't have access to my good speakers/headphones until around New Year's. (we fly back on the 30th)
I will say on my cheapo headphones (Senn HD201s) the bass is a bit overpowering, and the organ could cut through the mix a little more, feels like it gets a little buried in a few spots, but overall the rest sounds great.
The bassiness is mostly due to the headphones I'm sure since other stuff is similar. These particular headphones are probably overcompensating quite a bit.
Dec 19, 2011 09:22 pm I did push the bass up a little more than I usually would because I was going for a more classic mix. It was an experiment since I'm used to mixing more modern sounds. If you guys don't like it I can change it.
Dec 20, 2011 08:01 am I hanv'nt been on for a bit. Do you still need some lead tracks or we good? I might have a little time this weekend.
Dec 20, 2011 08:06 am just heard it...sounds cool. good like it is. good job fellas.
Dec 20, 2011 02:26 pm Nah, no need to change the bass. I'm sure it's just fine. My cans are just hyped around 100hz I think. I'll see if we can't play it in the van when we go out later tonight. :)
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