Oct 28, 2008 10:35 am just the URL's to images, homie, just the URL's.
trading a guitar cab for a bass cab?
Another Craigs List trade...
Posted on Oct 28, 2008 10:33 am
Hue
Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
Member Since: Apr 11, 2004
I'm tradin' this puppy:
For this puppy:
Head not included, but I've got that covered . Yes, that is a Black Widow 18" . I've always wanted one of those .
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Oct 28, 2008 10:35 am just the URL's to images, homie, just the URL's.
trading a guitar cab for a bass cab?
Oct 28, 2008 10:45 am Got it, thanks dB . : )
Yeah, we've been running our bass player through the pa, and that's fine for practices, but gigging is another story . Besides, I really don't need that 4x12" with as loud as that Flextone is... plenty loud enough . This aught to make everyone a bit better off .
I guess the guy who's looking to trade has enough bass gear, and needs some stuff for his guitar ?
Oct 28, 2008 10:48 am ah, OK, a big picture trade, I was wondering what the logic was on that...it's nice to have bandmates that look beyond THEIR rig and look at the good of the whole.
Oct 28, 2008 10:56 am Thanks, I do try . We're only as strong as our weakest link, right ? : )
On the selfish-level, though... ever since I was the bass player, I've wanted an 18" BW in my rig, and never got around to having one . At least now I'll be able to pick up a bass and pound out a bit when he's not the one doing it .
Oct 28, 2008 11:10 am I never liked the 18" in my rigs, Iliked a 15" for the thump and a smaller driver and/or horn for the higher range. FOr me, the 18" got a little to boomy.
Oct 28, 2008 11:24 am That may be the case with our player... we shall see . If anything, it'll be alot easier to unload this thing, than a dime-a-dozen Crate 4x12 .
Oct 28, 2008 12:11 pm I like 18" Black Widows. Nice find.
They can be boomy as dB-Wan says, but they also can kick lick a mule. Looks like a couple of tens in the set up, so you'll get the right sounds.
I did move into the 1x15" + 4x10" style rigs later. I guess it's all to do with style.
Oct 28, 2008 12:14 pm Since my bass generally ran direct into the PA, I went for the boom from the bins of the PA, I like the boom to hook up with the kick drum and whatever else for the FOH sound, but on stage I found that much boom annoying. for me, for my last rig, was a 15", an 8" and a horn...and it sounded friggin awesome.
Oct 28, 2008 02:22 pm Right on, TC .
Oh, that is a sweet lookin' rig, for sure, dB .
I'm not sure how well 'bass-guy' is going to like the 18-incher... all I remember was how impressed I was the last time I had a chance to hear one... of course that may be totally dependant upon the pre and instrument that was running through it, so... we shall see .
Oct 28, 2008 09:36 pm Ya, the 2 x 10's in the rig kind of offset the boom factor a bit if the level is set proper. You will just need to find that sweet spot in the EQ of the head he uses.
I used a similar set up onstage with my keys way back when. Only diff was mine was loaded with a horn as dB stated as well. In the early analog synth days it made the difference onstage for me. The rest was sent to the FOH and the cab was only for me so it was never really cranked up hard.
Oct 28, 2008 10:24 pm Yeah Noize, as long as you have the tools to ballace the sound, all should go well . The pre we use is a Peavey Max Bass, and it has a pretty extensive eq section to it... both graphic, and parametric, along with the ability to blend the tube and solid state pres . The crossover is adjustable, and has the separate outs of the lows and highs as well as a direct-full range . I'm pretty sure this is going to be a good, and compact low end solution . : )
Something like this would be great for keys... must'a been nice and full even at low levels .
Oct 28, 2008 10:57 pm That pre should definitely rock it and sound very good.
But ya, in my case I have a thing for needing to feel it as well as hear it. And that set up did just that. Even at lower levels so it didn't go off stage very far and clutter the FOG up.
But ya, in the early analog days it was killer for those big throbbing low frequency sounds.
Oct 29, 2008 11:10 am Man, I LOVE keyboards through 18"ers.
Oct 29, 2008 11:46 am Quote:
.it's nice to have bandmates that look beyond THEIR rig and look at the good of the whole.
This is why, over the years, I've collected a guitar rig, bass rig and drum kit.
Oct 29, 2008 02:32 pm Hell yeah, Johnny !
Well, it seems that any help from his bandmembers isn't going to do OUR 'bassguy' a damn bit of good... he fell off a ladder at work and broke his elbow . This guy has some of the worst luck of anyone I know . Sheesh !
Nov 07, 2008 10:18 am I guess this really was not meant to be. The trade never went down, as he blew-up his other bass rig at a gig the Thursday before our trade. Oh well.
Got another one...
I'm trading my Morley Power Wha, and a Boss CS-3 for a Squire Bullet Strat. Granted it's Indo-crap, but if I really don't like the way it plays/sounds I'll be able to use some of the parts to build-up that '89 American Strat body 'n neck that I have, then just add some decent pickups, and voila.
Anybody have one of these Squire Bullet Strats that you like, or dislike ? How are they ?
Nov 07, 2008 03:35 pm Rayz strat is one of the Indo strats. While the pickups lack a bit of real strat sound it doesn't play half bad. Although its a maple neck and I detest them, he is getting along on it for a first guitar.
But I had an offer from a friend last night while at the music store Ray takes lessons at. He would do one of those fancy swirl paint jobs on it and Ray could sell it for probly more then twice what I paid for it, which was about $60. So then I'll help him score something a bit better.
Although he is playing my new Washburn hollow body all the time now and takes that to lessons as his teacher uses one as well.
Nov 08, 2008 01:12 pm As long as this Bullet can get some kind of tone that's different from the other beasties, and is playable, I'll find a place for it. Variety! : )
That is really cool of you to let him use that guitar for his lessons, Noize.
A little story...
I once wanted to purchase a 3/4-scale acoustic for my ladys oldest, who was a smallish seven at the time.(the kid's huge now!) So, while I was at work, she went to a local lessons-place/music store to pick up the guitar , which I had called to confirmed that they carried. Now, I took for granted it was going to be a cheaply made guitar that wouldn't last like a well built model, or even sound all that great... what I didn't count on apon coming home and trying to tune/play it, was to find it to be completely unplayable(untunable even!) from the actual design-up. It was a mess! I was utterly apalled by the idea of a music store that gives lessons would sell a POS like this to a woman who really had know idea what makes an instrument playable. When I went to the store to explain to them the situation, and return the "instrument", they wanted to give me an in-store credit instead. I said that would be fine, but only under one condition, that they are able to tune and play the guitar that they had sold me. They tried. They could not. I then demanded my money back under the context that what they were selling was absolute garbage, and not an instrument at all. I also made up my mind that if either of the boys wanted to learn to play a guitar, then they would be able to do so with one of my quite usable, playable, and imho, nice sounding giutars to practice/take lessons with. I simply can't believe that the store owner, a musician himself, would take the whole 'money over ethics' thing down to the level of providing beginer-instruments to beginers that could not be played without major design adjustments. It wasn't 'that' inexpensive, but it surely was 'that' unplayable. So, kudos to you you for supplying a proper learning platform! we don't need to frustrate them any more than the rest of the world will.
heh Kind'a cracks me up to think that my first instrument was a fretless bass... makes no sense at all!
Nov 08, 2008 01:56 pm Quote:
Man, I LOVE keyboards through 18"ers.
Steel guitar is bitchin' with 'em too.
Nov 08, 2008 09:04 pm Thanx Hue. I figure if he is putting the effort into it then I'll at least give him a fighting chance. Not saying that Indo Strat would not allow that, but he has taken a real liking to the Washburn for sure. He does play them both when at home though. I think playing the Washburn is helping him learn to adjust back and forth and be able to tune the Strat as it isn't nearly as smooth as the Washburn. Tomorrow we are pluggin in and I will let him play Frankenstein. He is stoked for that. I'll get to play along with him. He has some GreenDay tune down I guess so I'll wip up a drum bit and maybe go with it. This should be interesting really. I'm almost tempted to hit record while he is in here just for kicks.
That really sucks that a music store would do that. Ben would never pull crap like that here. In fact he tried to talk me outa buying that Strat but Ray was really into it.
Nov 09, 2008 02:22 pm What really sucks on the store-tip, is there was another ma and pa music store on the other side of town that sold the exact same guitars, but the gent that ran that place took the time to file down nuts and bridges, and whatnot... basically make the thing playable. Same model, lower price, and he kept his ethics/code intact... great guy. Also, for a long time, he was the only one in the area that was opened on Sundays. Saddly, he is the one that ended up closing down of the two after the economy started it's decline. Now we still have two other store to choose from... both quite large. One , of course, is the 'ol banjo center, but the other is just as big, and they started out quite small, finally expanding to be able to compete with GC. They have been in the area much longer, and have a very loyal following, as they truly cater to your needs on every level. They're more like Elderly
Instruments in the fact that they sell alot of higher-ended classics and custom-jobs. No brainer as to the store I choose for most major purchases.
But y'a deffinately have to hit record for that jam that you have going on later. It could very well be priceless on one level or another, on down the line. Last year my sister handed me a recording of what has to be my first homes studio experience. I was five years old, and singing into a tape recorder, while Jan and Deans 'Dead Mans Curve' played in the background. Absoluely awefull! : p
Nov 09, 2008 02:31 pm Oh yeah, I picked up that Stat this morning. It's not as bad as I thought I'd be... maybe I got a good one? It has more of a Strat sound than I thought it would, but the pickups are quite noisy. I'm going to play her a bit before using the parts to outfit the '89 American I have patiently waiting to be brought back to life.
Nov 09, 2008 03:29 pm Ya, that is really my only beef as well on that Indo Strat. Just a bit of noise. We are going to pull it apart this week and have a look and see if maybe it is just cheaply wired. I'm certain it is probably a combo of both that and simply the pick ups are not real high quality. But like I said, it will get by for the bit as he does have the option of using the Washburn for now.
And ya, the ma and pa places are always the way to go. Although for me now having Music Go Round is always the best option. He is pretty much able to order or find anything I need if he doesn't have it.
Nov 09, 2008 03:58 pm Yeah... playin' this thing right now, and I think it's a great 'lil entry level guitar. Not really stage/studio quality right out of the gate, but with a little tlc coiuld do ok. Deffinately plays nice, and even stays in tune if you don't beat on it too much. This is what a beginners axe should be like... offers everything you need and some tonal-variety, but doesn't allow it's obvious limitations to be a huge factor.
On the noise issue of this puppy: I've read that a copper-shielding of the inside does wonders for it.
To be honest, After the required tlc, I'd have no real hang-ups about switching out the pickups, shielding it, and actually using it. Looking at the hardware though, there really isn't anything I'd want to put on the American.(98 btw, not an 89)
Nov 09, 2008 06:17 pm Ya, the hardware would not probably make a good switch out as it does look to be a little lower grade. Rays didn't make as much noise in here as it does plugged into my Pignose so that was good. I think I can get hold of a Am. Standard plate that is a bit of dis-repair and swap it out for the better pick ups and hardware. So I may follow through with the swirl paint job and let Ray decide what he wants to do with it.
And not worth turning on the recorder. He wanted to practice his scales. And off all things, Ode to Joy. I kind of chuckled but then looked at it from his point of view. It helps get the fingers moving and teaches how to move and were.
But his teacher has him reading the scales in regular notation as well as in tab. He is taking to reading pretty well. And the teacher is pretty stout about not depending solely on reading the notation. He is making sure he knows he needs to be able to do it both ways. Good teacher in my book. He already has him working on bending tech and the like. Pretty cool to watch.
Oh ya, and I got scolded for not looking at the music and playing by ear. Ray is telling me this will help me get back into sight reading. I had to bite my lip and keep my yap shut. I figured he is correct though, it probably will help get some of the back. He said we can try Good Riddance next weekend, but he is more worried about having the scales down by his next lesson.
Nov 09, 2008 08:17 pm Scales... ugh... but, Ode To Joy was the last piece of music I heard my dad play. A very cool, timeless to say the least. It sounds like he has a good teacher, and yeah he's prolly right about the read to play thing... also, a great oportunity to connect on that level. I took a class and learned to read around 13, and forgot soon thereafter... no patients for teachers at that time... prolly less now. : )
Nov 09, 2008 09:22 pm Ya, it was nice to sit down together with something common going on.
But ya, it freaked me out about the read it to play it remark for sure. But ya, your right. It will probably help me help him better.
He freaked out on the first patch I had him playing through, a bit too much gain he said. It was a little on the grind side. He stated he wanted something clean with just a bit of gain. I just laughed my *** off for a minute thinking about years gone by with other players who's heads were in the clouds talking like that.
Although I know he didn't mean it or intend for it to come out like that.
And Hue, before I forget. I'm heading out to stop by a buddies that I haven't seen in awhile. He is a big Fender freak and going to let me dig through his parts bins. He was kind of stoked to hear that one of my kids was taking up guitar so he asked what he was playing on. I gave him the whole scoop and he gave the invite.
So long story short, if he as some extra goodies he is willing to part with, what exactly do you need for the Squire you got? I might be able to grab a few extra parts if I beg.
Nov 09, 2008 10:16 pm The Squire that I picked up today is intact... are you refering to the American Strat that I'm buiding from the ground up? If so, I'll take whatever you can get from him. All I have now is a body and a neck, so yeah...
Quite nice of you Noisey !
Nov 09, 2008 10:34 pm hee hee I'm about to make another CL trade.
I really don't think I'm going to hear from that cat with the bass cab again, so... I found a guy that wants to trade his BC Rich for it. I put a pic in my profile... it's the translucent red one... a Warlock NJ. I'm really not big on 'pointy' guitars, but this one is a player for sure. Mahagony body on these, I do believe, and that is a Floyd Rose trem. I'm sure it's quite metal. Waiting on the second respnse now... Craigs List is just so damn cool.
Nov 10, 2008 05:47 pm Yep, if he still has as many parts laying about as he has in the past I'll grab what I can. Not guaranteed there is a lot there but its worth a shot.
On the Warlock. Nice find for sure. The cheap ones did not have any markings on the nut cover so that looks to be a good one for sure. And if I'm not mistaken the nut cover on the cheapies had a different screw pattern as well.
Nov 10, 2008 05:53 pm I like the looks of Warlocks, hell, I like the sound, I just hate the body weighting...I mean, maybe the higher end ones are better, but the low end ones are really neck heavy, makes me left arm sore if I play it standing up for too long...Explorers are the same way...
Nov 10, 2008 09:30 pm That is way cool Noize! At this point, the right 'screws' would be a bit of help. So cool!
Still waitin' on a reply from the Warlock guy. I hope this one doesn't fall through. : /
Yeah dB, I'm just now getting comfortable with the Explorer. Deffinately comfy now, though... actually has a shot as a favorite if it weren't for the lack of a trem. Although, I've been trying to loose the 'dependency' that I've developed on the trem.
Nov 10, 2008 10:05 pm Ya, I think the higher end Warlocks are weighted just a bit different. Probably not much though. But its been awhile since I actually played one standing up.
dB, that pointy Washburn is the same way actually. Very neck heavy. I moved the strap button and it cured that problem though. But now not having it back together and not playing it in years it might feel the same again.
Hue, that was my main reason for wanting the hollow body, no trem.
Nov 11, 2008 10:44 am Everything's a go tonight for the Rich... I am stoked! The also has a couple of other beauties to get rid of as well.
detroit.craigslist.org/msg/905230005.html
i knd'a like the looks of that Tele in the pic, but have never heard of 'Jubal' guitars. here's what he had to say about it...
"Jubal custom telecaster style guitar. Has abalone oval inlays and a
natural wood finish. Has Schaller strap locks and grover tuners. all
hardware is gold. the tele was just given a set up last month. the
tele
also has an extra switch on it that changes the sound when both
pickups
are selected. I am not sure if it puts the pickups out of
phase but it sounds cool. I was told it was made by a former Gibson
Luthier named Aaron Cowles here in Michigan. He has a shop In
Vicksburg,
MI I believe. It has a sturdy hardshell case. I love the looks of
the guitar but I don't really play it much."
... sounds interesting. I'm not sure what I could dig up for a trade on that, but it just may be worth digging around to see what I could come up with.
Nov 11, 2008 05:10 pm I've never played the Jubal Tele but have heard they are pretty nice. I think he only built a few of them, not sure though. Well built as well. It sounds like he is using killer hardware as well and built it right. I've played a couple of his other guitars and they are killer.
The Iceman, IC 500 is a fairly rare bird as well. I owned one for awhile and don't really know what ever made me sell it.
Nov 11, 2008 11:16 pm Well, I just got back from picking up the BCR. The trade ended up being my Crate 4x12" cab,(delivered) for a '95 Warlock, with a factory gig bag, and a Boss OS-2 peddal. Not bad, if I do say so m'self. The guitar hasn't been played in a while, and is in dire need of a setup, but it is in near-perfect condition nonetheless. The finish is nice... looks as though it was just'a a natural wood finish guitar, and then someone soaked it in blood. : p The mahogany underneath gives it a deeper red than if it were on a lighter wood... makes it just a tad brighter than, say, a typical wine-red SG transparent finish that everyone knows so well. Veddy nice! As far as the ballance of the instrument goes, it's only slightly 'top heavy'. No where near the pull of the Explorer that I have, but it is noticeable.
While I was at his house, I took a look at that Jubal Telecaste, uhm... thing. I'm sure it may sound good, but deffinately not for me, looks-wise. It didn't have the squared-off face that most Teles do... no binding. and much thinner than a standard Tele. neh.
One can never have too many guitars. Someday, I'll have enough to sell, to buy a Variaxe. : p
Then I can be done.
Not!
Nov 12, 2008 02:12 pm Good deal, it sounds nice and a pedal to boot.
The color sounds cool as well.
Nov 12, 2008 06:19 pm I'm breaking alot of my so-called 'rules' of gear-buying as of late. Digital-modeling amplifiers, pointy guitars... pfft. Go with what sounds good is my new 'rule'. It seems I've totally underestimated B.C. Rich over the years. Kind'a like a piano falling... only it was a guitar. : p
The Warlock is now setup, and plays/sounds fantastic. It's a 'lil like the LP, but with a trem. Unreal sustain! I'm not sure which version of Floyd Rose it has, but the design is quite different from my others. It's the most musically-sound trm I've ever messd with... quite solid!
I can't see me topping this trade anytime soon.
Nov 12, 2008 06:26 pm It probly got the high end Floyd on it then. Very accurate and stays in tune pretty well. Is it a double lock set up with the lock on the nut at the headstock? Probably but I can't tell from the pic.
Thats what I use on Frankestein is the top o the line Floyd double locking set up. Killer for sure.
Nov 12, 2008 07:17 pm Yeah, it is a double-locker... and so friggin' smooth. I'm thinking this guy didn't really know what he had... either that, or he was just jaded about it. When I asked him about the MIM Strat he had, he said that he hac changed his mind about it, and it was off limits. Prolly a good decision on his part. I din't even ask about that Randy Rhodes Jackson-V... got'ta draw the line somewhere.
Nov 12, 2008 07:24 pm Those V's are not selling cheap depending on the year.
Sweet on the double locker. If I ever set up another guitar with a trem it will be well worth the $300 plus smackers to do it right with that Floyd set up.
Glad yer liken it though for sure.
Nov 12, 2008 07:40 pm Ya know, Hue, as far as your rules go, I think it's a process of evolution to realize that every technology that comes along has it's place, some hate modelers, that's cool, but don't hate them because they're modelers, hate them if they don't sound right to you...if the modeler sound works, then it works, just because it's not "real" doesn't mean it's "bad".
I would guess way back when the multitracker was invented people hated it for being fake cuz you could process track separately...then they hated the ability to punch in and out, then reverb and other such processes, then midi (hell, everyone I knew hated that at the time, I dug it), then digital recording and computer based editing...
The same goes for science with stem cell research and other stuff that scares people even though it does have it's place in the world.
It all has it's place.
Rules are for scaredy cats. :-)
Embrace new stuff WHERE it works. You know, useful functions like making Brittney Spears sound good so we can justifiably fantasize about hittin it. :-)
Nov 12, 2008 07:46 pm I'd hit Brittany even if she sounded bad.
Nov 13, 2008 08:19 am ha Right on, Deebs!
I'm just happy that I'm not 'too old' to be open minded when it comes to gear choices, and musical-evolution in general. Alot of it has to do with the current band, and it's possibilities. Well, I guess it's not really that 'new', perse, but you know what I mean.
As far as Brittany Spears goes, women that are that stupid turn me off completely. I'd have to leave her tied-up in the closet for a week before I'd think about it.
Dec 26, 2008 10:52 pm Hey guys! 'Been busy with the Craigs List rule-breaker-trades lately! Newly aquired...
~2006 Alpine White Epiphone Les Paul Studio w/Floyd Rose. All black hardware... a real looker! Came with a nice SKB case, too. (Price too low to print!) lol
And, just today...
-2006 MIM Strat black/white w/maple fretboard. This thing sounds and plays absolutely great, and is practically in 'brand-new' condition! Nice 'strat' sound. I traded my 5 year old RG320 with a Floyd and Super Distro for it... he wanted something a bit more 'metal'... there y'a go pal... metal, for sure. He seemed happy.
The Epi LPS w/a Floyd Rose is really something of a trophy for me... I have wanted one of those for a very long time. s'Funny that it's called a 'Studio' to me, I've always considered them to be more of a good 'live' axe without some touchups. Of course, they'll both need pick-up upgrades, but outside that... for next to nothing, I got a couple of solid, gig-worthy fiddles! Woooooot!
Dec 26, 2008 11:06 pm Congrats on the find there Hue. Nicely done for sure. Nice that the case came with that one as well. I am with ya on the Studio thing as well. Not sure but I know a lot of guys that played em live and loved em. I think its just a reference.
And talking about finds. I opened Rays Epi LP Custom to look over the wiring and fix a possible jack issue. To my wonder when I had the pickups open to inspect their wiring situation I discovered they are actually out of a Gibson model. Not that the Epi pickups were crap mind you but finding these were actually out of a real LP not a copy set.
So what are you thinking of for PU's in the Epi LPS then?
Dec 26, 2008 11:12 pm I'm thinkin' EMGs for the LPS... maybe a typical 81/85 setup... nice and metal. D'marzios for the strat, like we spoke of before, ala the '98 American.(Still patiently waiting)
The LPS is up first, though. : )
I'd like to find the electronics-shielding that my '77 LPC has, for the Epi... that was a very nice touch from Gibson. Much like the find on Rays... the attention to detail is noticeable when it comes down to the nitty-gritty.(Sound) : )
Dec 27, 2008 12:04 am Ya, that is the combo that will be in the Robert Palmer video Washburn. Ray is destined to make me finish it now as he wants to hear it since he was only about 4 when I tore it down, 12 years ago.
And ya, it would be nice to duplicate the shielding that is used on the Gibson pocket for sure. I'm sure the foil can be purchased from a guitar parts place.
Ray is talking about ordering a BYOC kit and having me teach him how to solder and about the different parts. That should be kinda cool. I'm just glad he is showing a real interest in it, even if it is costing me $$$ right now.
Dec 27, 2008 09:03 pm Oh yea, that's a great project for the two of you! AND that fiddle has such a cool history to it... even better!
The shielding one the LPC isn't the typical 'foil' type. It's an allunimum 'casing' of sorts... probably pressed, and fits around all of the potetiometers, and is held in place by a single screw in the middle of the casing. It really is the best solution I've ever seen.
What's a BYOC kit?
Dec 27, 2008 09:11 pm BYOC = Build Your Own Clone.
www.buildyourownclone.com/fxkitindex.html
But I doubt I would order one of their kits. Nice as some of them seem there are better for less money out there from other guys. But they do have a couple that are using parts that it appears only they have.
A casing?? That is cool as hell then. I would love to find one like that for sure. That would be the best solution for sure.
On the guitar rebuild. Ya, he wants to learn how to wet sand and such as that is about were the finish is sitting. Just needing to be wet sanded and polished. Then the hardware can go back in. Should be interesting.
Dec 27, 2008 09:15 pm I've been playing this MIM Strat for a bit now, and am really liking it. With the maple fretboard, it has as much twang as a Tele, really. Much more stratty sound than the Squire Bullet that I obtained by trading a couple of peddals for. That will prolly end up being smashed on some Detroit stage. heh
The new pups will do it well.
Dec 27, 2008 09:17 pm The American Strat body and neck has to have all that finishing redone. I'm looking forward to see what direction you go with that one!
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