Mar 10, 2003 09:16 pm Lay of the caffine, man.
The Greys explained
Posted on Mar 10, 2003 05:38 pm
Mat
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I met an an alien today. I did not beleive in them really before...He explained where they're from tho. They're actually the evolved product of our civilization and they've figured out how to travel back in time. The dude said they have acheived a level of social maturity and control good enough to prevent exploitation of the time travel technology. They're silicon based now too, largely based on picotechnology. Apparently they abduct people to study history because much of it was lost after a big server crash back in 3059 He told me a lot of other stuff but it was mostly over my head. However, the coolest thing he talked about was the sound recording technology. Man, the best thing is the psychotracker. It lets you think about the way a song would sound and BAM! it's recorded. He said he might bring me one when, and if, he comes back. Then he finished his coffee and left. So that's pretty neat but not true. It be cool if it was tho. hehe Ahh, I need some sleep or something...
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Mar 10, 2003 10:55 pm Ya, that was a real line of crap! We are comprised of a hybrid form of cobol. Silicon, that is an old joke from just before the crash. They gotta stop telling folks that!
Mar 11, 2003 05:29 am I wonder if they told him that while he was being upducted and had bizarre tests conducted on his body...I have been told they put visions and such in your head while anally probing people.
Mar 11, 2003 09:00 am Naw, that's old technology. They could never get the story streight anyway. We just zap those recorded brain cells before release. They never miss them as they use so few of them anyway.
Mar 14, 2003 04:49 pm Well...
While I've never met one, I have seen a UFO.
It was floating above my head, about 20 feet up, it was there for about 2mins, I got out the car and had a very good look.
They do exist everyone and that's a fact.
Mar 14, 2003 05:23 pm I agree with Murphy, I saw one as well, though not NEARLY that close.
Personally, I think the belief that we are the only intellgent creatures in this entire solar system (and beyond) is very self-important...how could we possibly be the only species to advance...there HAS to be others, it only makes sense.
Mar 14, 2003 07:37 pm pssshh... you guys are crazy. there are NO SUCH THINGS as ALIENS!!! UFO's HA!!! now talking dinosaurs thats a different story.
Mar 14, 2003 08:56 pm crazy? Nah...
100% fact. It can't be argued, end of story...
I'm pretty sure some of these military plane designs are ripped from UFO's, the stealth bomer being one of them.
dB, It was very low indeed, almost at landing point.
It started as a bright light, looked just like a star, only it was moving, then it just seemed to follow the car for a good few minutes until it nearly landed beside us.
Very exciting time...
I Never though to ask about recording techniques, that's for sure!!!
Mar 14, 2003 09:16 pm I bet they have some kick *** advanced optical recording media...shoulda yelled out your car window at 'em!
stupe, don't be naive and self-important, we are NOT alone. No doubt about it, indisputable fact.
Mar 14, 2003 09:20 pm Yeah! I bet it's hum and crackle free, not like our crapy 1/4 jacks!!
Mar 14, 2003 09:21 pm Hell, I bet their recording medium is air...it the atoms are spinning clockwise it's a 0 if counter-clockwise it's a 0.
Actually, that is a technology being researched right now, actualy using Air molocules as storage read by a laser. Depending on the direction the molocule is spinning dictates if it is a 1 or 0 in binary code...it's alien techology...just like amniocentesis. You do all, or course, realize abducties were reporting that procedure being done to them LONG before the benefits were ever discovered by humans...
Mar 14, 2003 09:31 pm Hey, I bet there's loads of good samples floating about!
Mar 14, 2003 09:41 pm Anyway, I thought they were telepathic?
What's the point of recording if you've no ears??
Saying that, some produces get by ok!!!
Maybe they telepathically listen to recordings of telepathy?
It is a possibility they are us from the future traveling back through time.
Maybe a few years from now cloning human beings becomes the norm, this has a devastating effect on the human race and overtime it takes away our reproductive organs as we don't need them anymore, turns us into small ugly looking creatures as we have no need to be extractive to the opposite sex...Makes sence.
Mar 15, 2003 10:31 am First, we are not ugly!
Second, there is no inteligent life on planet earth per our findings we are the only inteligent life in the universe.
Third, ya'll are a very poor crop! Ya'll have poisened yourself to the point where you wouldn't even taste good! Definate bottom feeders of the universe!
Some of our folks still like to go fishing now and then in your neck of the woods, but strickly catch and release!
Mar 15, 2003 10:53 am Ahhh...I didn't think my psychotic post would start generating such a discussion. hehehe
For one, I don't beleive in UFO's being aliens. UFO's are what they are: UNIDENTIFIED Flying Objects. One could even replace flying for floating. Most, if not all UFO pictures have been turned down as either fake, or explained by some natural or human phenomenon. I'm not saying anyone is crazy in attesting they saw a UFO, but maybe they just don't understand what they saw. With the increasing number of people that have cameras, digital or otherwise and camcorders, you wonder why there is not more sightings recorded or better ones at least.
Moreover, Walt is almost right; we know that no 'advanced' aliens are in our nearby part of the Universe. Based on some fundamental physics principles, we also know that space travel takes forever at great distances and, that if aliens would undertake long interstellar trips, they would probably have to use wormholes which are the size of a pinhole (actually, much less) so we wouldn't see them. Hell, they might be in your body right now! Maybe Viruses are big alien motherships! (note sarcasm here)
I don't agree with Walt that there is absolutely NO life other than us though. I mean, the possibilites are there and we're not such a fluke after all. The chance is tho, extra-terrestrial life is most likely very primitive.
As for the conspiracy theories, they're nice and fun and all, but they're most likely rubbish. Get informed! Read quality books, starting with something like Carl Sagan's Cosmos or Brocca's Brain.
Mar 15, 2003 12:42 pm There's always some crazy scientist comes along to give a logical explanation to phenomenal, paranormal activities simply because they can't understand the concept of something being unexplained.
I mean how many of you still think we landed on the moon?
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!!!
Mar 15, 2003 03:35 pm We didn't!!?! OMG!
Actually, buy yourself a powerful enough telescope and look at the little flag planted on the surface and the rover that's left there...
Scientists are pretty anal about explaining everything, I must admit (being in a science program myself). Science is a better tool to understand phenomenons than speculation tho! Just read Broca's Brain by Carl Sagan and then you can come back and argue some more. Cheers!
Mar 15, 2003 05:21 pm Mat, re-read my posts. I am an alian! Good grief humans these days! And don't be makin fun of my worm holes! True on monicule is a tight spot but as long as you keep the transmission constant the hole is if filled and the natural universe will not try to mess with it. It is the only to travel. What am I doing? When humans try to talk to their cats, they don't expect much except a minimal primate response. So what did I expect. Well gotta go. Time to park over some humans and scare the livin bejesus out of them. I love it when they peek out from behind trees!
Mar 15, 2003 06:31 pm And were not always gray with big buggy eyes.
Mar 15, 2003 06:51 pm Nah, I try not to listen to Science, eventually they'll be proved wrong, so what's the point?
All I was saying is that I belive in Alien life,
I mean who else was flying that thing? Michael Jackson?
Seeing is believing.
Flag?? rover???
It's where they left it...
In the studio!
It's in, 'Grand theft auto Vice City' if you must know!!
Mar 15, 2003 07:06 pm Just got a lend of my neighbors Telescope.
Hang on...
I do see something...
Yeah.! There's a flag alright,
It's a Union Jack!!!
Mar 18, 2003 12:05 am hehe, you guys are funny. the greys are gone. there's bigger threats out there then from some clone-happy godless race like thiers.
Jan 15, 2008 08:27 am An interesting thing about the "greys" I've found is that when Aliester Crowley was doing some of his enochian experiments he came across and entity called LAM and he drew pictures of him and stuff. The pictures looked exactly like the "greys", however as far as I know this was before any other images or talk of the greys had been brought up.
Maybe greys are just entities from another dimension
Jan 15, 2008 08:34 am Images/descriptions of the Greys have been very consistent across many cultures, ages, social scales and time periods for ages...not only that but descriptions of encounters, abductions, tests performed, methods and environments during the tests have been amazingly consistent as well.
It's really the only alien being I know of that has had the same consistency of reports for as long.
Jan 15, 2008 08:53 am didn't know that, thought it was a more "recent" thing.
In reality, most cases of abduction simply seem like case of sleep paralyzation. I've had that happen to me, and it is scary as hell. My experience matches the abduction experience, and almost all the abduction stories i've heard or read all can be easily explained into sleep paralysis
Jan 15, 2008 08:57 am not all, not visible bruising or wounds...but yes, that is the common spin to write it off as hoax. Unexplained disappearances, being found elsewhere...lots of other factors at play too.
Jan 15, 2008 09:05 am well the cases that involve visible bruising or wounds, or being found someplace that is completely out of the way don't count as "most" to me, those are unique. The average UFO abduction story is similar though. Someone is laying in bed, they wake up and can't move. A beam of light or entity comes to the foot of the bed and then they are abducted.
As far as the first part of the experience goes, what is being explained sounds identical to sleep paralization. It also sounds identical to stories of lillith, and various witch tales.
Sleep paralyzation is something I don't think most people know about, and when it happens to them they freak out. I know I did. I thought I was being possessed. All that happens though is that for some reason your mind wakes up before your body. When you are asleep your brain shuts down communication to the body to keep it from tossing and turning too much in your REM dream state and potentially hurting yourself, thus if your brain wakes up prior to the body, you will have a few minutes of waiting for the signal to be reconnected.
I'm not saying ALL cases are this, just that the majority of what I've read and heard can be explained this way.
I don't concider it a hoax though, because I honestly don't think most of the people making these claims know about sleep paralyzation. And the experience is so personal and so vivid, if you've never heard the term before and someone tells you that's all it is, you're going to be likely to pass it off if you want to believe you've been abducted.
And who doesn't want to believe something extraordinary happened to them?
Jan 15, 2008 09:09 am As a whole, I agree, there are explanations for much of it...sleep paralyzation, hallucination's and the like are feasible for some, perhaps most, but not all.
Jan 15, 2008 09:28 am Quote:
they abduct people to study history because much of it was lost after a big server crash back in 3059
I guess they shouldn't have tried to emulate Vista on that IBM 5100. :)
Jan 15, 2008 09:36 am I'm with you on that db. I do not believe that we are the only intelligent life in this, or any other universe. However, I discredit the majority of abduction accounts I hear because they can be explained away in some form or the other...
And repressed memories brought up through hypnosis? Research shows that it may in fact be the hypnotist planting in suggestions into the psyche...
That said, I have seen my share of weird lights in the sky and stuff like that... however I do live near an air force base, and I'd be more apt to say it's secret government aircraft for some of them. Some of the things I've seen though I can't explain.
Jan 15, 2008 09:40 am Well, I guess I'm alone on this one. I believe there is inteligent life in the universe and it isn't us.
Jan 15, 2008 09:42 am yeah, I have had a couple experiences that simply can't be explained, nothing close, but still.
I believe to think we are the only intelligent life in this vast universe is basically, well, very arrogant.
Jan 15, 2008 03:37 pm i believe that to automatically assume that intelligent life is visiting us or that intelligent life is very common is arrogant and ignorant actually! i can support that stance.
sorry, i woke up combative today. and no one noticed these two threads i dug up are ancient.
but yeah, rare earth hypothesis. life may be really common but intelligent life is at least probably much more rare than anyone has hitherto been willing to admit. and if that's true, then the distances beings (if there even are any others in this galaxy) would have to travel just to hang out and watch us are probably quite vast.
brief summary of the idea complex here
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_Earth_hypothesis
Jan 15, 2008 03:41 pm Actually, I did notice it was old, I just didn't care, so there.
Go Packers.
pffft :-p
Jan 15, 2008 03:46 pm Actually, I meant "Go Patriots"...but I just got done reading a Bret Favre article and typo'd...
Jan 15, 2008 03:55 pm Quote:
and if that's true, then the distances beings (if there even are any others in this galaxy) would have to travel just to hang out and watch us are probably quite vast.
...assuming that they are not just living in another dimension, of course.
Jan 15, 2008 04:06 pm you mean like i, a 3D person, typically 'hang out' above the two-dimensional photographs lying on my desktop, 'haunting' the people in them? hovering just out of sight?
Jan 15, 2008 04:15 pm Not to be anal, but all photographs have three dimensions. It's just that one of them is very thin.
Jan 15, 2008 04:19 pm Especially photo's of Mary Kate and Ashley
Jan 15, 2008 04:24 pm right herb, but this is for illustrative purposes. i've read flatland.
Jan 15, 2008 06:19 pm Quote:
Maybe greys are just entities from another dimension
Now we're getting warmer.
We're all so close minded when it comes to thinking we're all alone.
This (life on earth) is just a journey, a learning experience in our spirit's eternity. We're just too stupid, on the whole, to get our heads around such things.
Aliens? Why the heck not?
"But there's no proof, Ian"
"Ah, yes. These beings who can travel immense interglactic distances in machines of superior technology - where we can't get our minds off the internal combustion engine and where can we dig up some oil."
Perhaps they've got some technology we don't, eh?
Can't have that, though, can we? No-siree, we don't like to think of ourselves as inferior in any way.
Get out your big red "We're No.1" foam finger and wave it at our 'alien' friends as they go by.... They must think we're no better than insects.
Sleep Paralysis is something that has been recorded forever. One of the most common hallucinogenic experiences was a hag leaning over you. The Night-mare.....
"Oh, I get it..."
I actually bust my foot pretty bad from getting past sleep paralysis. Dreaming of a big old kung fu kick, reality was the corner of a table. Ouch. Instep to oak = no pain like it.
I'm a card carrying alien myself. Green Card (erm...it's pink...well done there...). Says right on it - "Resident Alien"
Nanoo-Nanoo.
Jan 15, 2008 06:41 pm just make sure you're not proposing that they're traveling faster than light speed through conventional space to get here. some things we know are impossible, for physical reasons. other exotic technologies? fine. though it'd help to throw some stuff on the table!
Jan 15, 2008 06:58 pm Just because we lowly humans haven't figured out how to travel vast distances, it doesn't mean someone else hasn't. There's that arrogance thing rearing its ugly head again.
Traveling faster than the speed of light impossible? Pfpppfftt. Nobody (down here) knows that for sure. The fastest speed humans have achieved is 41,000 MPH. Speed of light: 186,300 mi/sec.
Fact is, we're just not bright enough to know the big answers yet. And no, you won't convince me otherwise. Einstein was pretty sharp, but the guy or gal with the answers will have to be someone who makes Al look like a chimp.
Jan 15, 2008 07:06 pm actually herb, it's definitely impossible to travel faster than light speed. einstein proved it in an absolute way. the MATH did. it's impossible for logical reasons. speed is kinetic energy and energy is equivalent to mass. when you approach light speed you hit a wall, and all the energy in the universe can't push you faster. it's an exponential curve, and very obvious in the math.
you might be able to circumvent light speed through some trickery, but you can't literally surpass it, and this is a fact
so you'll have to go dimension hopping, or open up a wormhole, or something along those lines.
Jan 15, 2008 07:10 pm Quote:
very obvious in the math
Ah, you're right. How did that get past me?
Jan 15, 2008 07:18 pm what about string theory? That could be the explanation we're looking for.
Jan 15, 2008 07:18 pm ok, how about this...?
For starters, a general assumption is being made that an "alien" would look like we see on tv or perhaps slightly different than that... my point being is that it would be a physical being. What if an "alien" is just energy?
Here's another, we talked a bit about "out there" as in universe and other infinately large things. What if the "aliens" are really, really (almost infinately) small? Just because we can't see them right now doesn't mean we aren't stepping on them right now.
Jan 15, 2008 07:21 pm that's going a bit deep then, so lets go deeper. Lets say that "aliens" and ghosts and everything else are just momentary lapses in dimensions where we can interact with them... so if it's possible for complex beings like humaonids like that to cross the lines, it should be possible for single atoms to cross the lines...
Or what about one single nucleus? Would that be an "alien"?
Jan 15, 2008 07:22 pm "the answer my friend is blowing in the wind"
Jan 15, 2008 07:28 pm I say: figure out women first. Then there'll be time for aliens. Oh wait, they're the same!
Jan 15, 2008 08:21 pm Di you ever stop to think we are all just atoms in a molecule that is part of some kids pet. Or something along those lines.
Think Horton hears a hoo. WE are probably all just the tiniest little specs in some greater thing. The earth as I stated is just a bigger spec.
I could go on. Lots of things to debate in the arena.
And yes, I do believe there is something else out there, smarter then us I am sure. Are they watching us or waiting for us just like we are waiting for them?
And ya, nice Herb. I couldn't agree more!
Jan 15, 2008 08:55 pm well we can believe anything we want, and most of it isn't going to be true.
carl sagan once brought up the atoms within atoms thing. in 'cosmos,' which is currently on tuesdays at 9 on the science channel). the arguments against that are finalized now: it's not true. but i don't know where to find a discourse about that at the moment. i have to resort to argument from authority here, my own, unfortunately. that's definitely not what's going on, but unfortunately i am powerless to convince you without a source. i've seen them though, trust me!
re: beerhunter's energy thing. this is a better line of thinking, i think, in some ways. one of my favorite SF stories, by robert charles wilson, in his collection 'the perseids' is concerned with the notion of whether we would even recognize a superior intelligence if it were right in front of us. it's a spooky book, some of the spookiest SF around. i recall that in that story he used an analogy about an anthill on the side of the highway. do the ants know about the cars and the highway? not at all, and yet it's right there. man, the stories in that book are fantastic. imagine my friend's pregnant wife: in her belly is a forming kid. that kid has no idea that two inches above his head is a gigantic CANINE HEAD with teeth--a chocolate lab--sleeping on the surface of the belly. so i get the point here, i do, and i take that perspective too. we might not be aware of other intelligences that surround us, for all we know. i just want the specific guesses and propositions to be good ones.
my protest about energy beings would be that it makes sense that there should be physical laws regarding complexification in this universe, just as there are laws about most everything else. what would give shape and structure to 'energy beings?' how would they evolve? we know how energy behaves. matter complexifies. but energy is transmuted, spent, etc. without channels for it, some mechanism to utilize it, it just does what it does, according the laws we already know.
people have to understand: we're small, but we're not THAT dim. we've figured out some incredible things and it's really quite amazing. some of you here i'm sure have opinions about liberals being 'america haters.' what about human haters? we really are better than some tend to give us credit for. we have figured out rules and laws about how the universe works, and some of them are known so clearly and in such detail that we can write off certain propositions without thinking about them too hard. this is what science is about, developing a working model of reality. not believing in stuff because it's fun. i believe in stuff because it's fun, but only to amuse myself. i wouldn't bet the house on things that i know conflict with other things that are certainly true. we have no examples of energy complexifying and acquiring the kind of structures that matter does. if such a thing were common, i would assume (and it is an assumption, but it's a very good one) that we would observe it. after all, chemistry (the complexification of matter) is everywhere, all around us. this is not the sort of thing we'd miss. if you want to propose isolated instances of it, i'd like to hear a theory whereby it'd be possible, and it'd have to mesh with the laws we do know which have been finalized. all that 18th and 19th century stuff.
so with that in mind, i'd have to say that the avenues are open only in the areas we know **** about. string theory would be a good thing to throw in here. i don't favor that theory (i like loop quantum gravity) but now we're in areas where there are no answers, the area where real speculation can take place. talking about other dimensions, too, is an ok angle as far as i'm concerned. it's another thing we don't know much about.
Jan 15, 2008 09:23 pm Quote:
Or what about one single nucleus? Would that be an "alien"?
To me, it would be the equivelant of their sun.
Jan 15, 2008 09:44 pm I'm working on a number of scripts to do this spring...and one of my larger projects is a SCI-FI...and in looking at a lot of related topics I've wondered why we always assume that there IS someone else out there. Why can't we be the first?... and if we aren't, what were the 'first ones' thinking when they found they were alone?
Jan 15, 2008 10:11 pm check out that rare earth hypothesis link (and the book)
to me, being one of the few--or the only one--is equally as interesting and as strange as being one of many. i don't think we're the only one, but i think intelligence is way rarer than people like to think. a handful in this galaxy, at most, is what i believe.
Jan 15, 2008 10:23 pm Funny you caught that forty. I've actually been watching it again. Watched it all the first time around years ago and never missed one. Now I'm turning the boyz onto Sagan and they are enjoying it.
I had to go there just for fun.
Jan 15, 2008 10:33 pm What is few or many in the context of infinity?
Jan 15, 2008 10:34 pm the universe is not necessary infinite in space.
Jan 15, 2008 11:00 pm if it is, though, then there's another tom brady out there beyond the horizon who just happens to suck.
Jan 16, 2008 08:47 am Blahahahaha! That's rich. Ya I heard the Universe was flat and if you flew too far you would fall off the edge.
Jan 16, 2008 08:50 am Quote:
if it is, though, then there's another tom brady out there beyond the horizon who just happens to suck.
Yep, and another Ben R. and he's good...
:-p
Jan 16, 2008 09:51 am Quote:
you might be able to circumvent light speed through some trickery, but you can't literally surpass it, and this is a fact
I'd say this is true of mass, but not true of massless entities.
Not to go all 'God' on you guys, but thinking along the lines of ethereal existance. For example (but not limited to), ghost type entities.
They (could) exist in what could be a different dimension, or plane. This plane could be devoid of mass as we know it. So travel could be done very quickly.
On the topic of space travel, should other entities develop to the point of other-dimension existance, then travel could become VERY fast.
Jan 16, 2008 10:01 am what if aliens are angels, or other such spiritual entities? Then the rules of the physical existance would not apply.
Jan 16, 2008 10:03 am I am hoping angels are not into rectal probes, among all the other nasty **** they do to people...at least not the guardian kind of angel...
Jan 16, 2008 10:07 am My point exactly, well, pretty close. I don't hold real distinctions between the two,
only distinctions is in their actions and experience.
So if you take that premise a little further, you can see that all of us are similar in that context.
When someone passes over, they become (by fact) a spiritual entity, without the physical entity. Technically, they already are a spiritual entity, but the physical part is attached to it.
More advanced beings can perform this conversion more at will, becoming 'ethereal' upon demand.
Also, by spiritual (or other means) development, their actual makeup can advance to higher dimensions, devoid of mass. This way they could exist in their own plane, but it would be massless on our plane.
Jan 16, 2008 10:09 am Quote:
I am hoping angels are not into rectal probes, among all the other nasty **** they do to people...at least not the guardian kind of angel...
Very good point. I should say I don't think all angels are aliens, but some of the similarities are there. What may seem like an angel, may be an entity from a different planet.
Conversely, butt-checking aliens I would think are not of the divine nature =).
Jan 16, 2008 10:11 am I can entertain the thought of ghosts and other spiritual type of entities like that being "angels" of a sort. However, aliens, those being extraterrestrial being in my mind, are just that, beings...physical beings...albeit of obviously superior intelligence to us...which really isn't saying much.
However I have gained respect for the intelligence of Michigan as of yesterday.
Jan 16, 2008 10:25 am Not kidding here. It was a profound experience.
In 1987, as I was coming off the nitrous oxide in the dentist's chair, all of the workings of life and the universe were revealed to me in the flash of an instant.
Now if I could just remember...
Jan 16, 2008 10:27 am Yeah I have solved all of the worlds problem and life's little riddles during acid trips in my 20's and then simply never remembered them after coming down...damn the luck.
HRC does not condone such activity...yada yada yada.
Jan 16, 2008 10:27 am That's where I get waffled.
Having the idea that spiritual non-earth entities being here, in a divine nature makes sense to me. I think our existence here is quite sour and we need all the help we can get.
But, the physical types like you mention, doing goofy things that aren't divine at all, makes me think that there's no real 1 type of alien, only the distinction of 'non-earth' beings. Past that they could be anything, from God-like Angel types, to the devil-like abducting demon type.
I think that the dumber of the aliens, the ones the like cows, and butt-probes are the ones that show themselves, or can't hide themselves very well, and get spotted etc. I think the more evolved ones are much more discreet about their activities, performing help and works for mankind, to help bring us up.
This is where I could see them as among us, angel-like and benevolent.
Jan 16, 2008 10:29 am I have a hard time calling anyone capable of interstellar travel "the dumber ones" but I hear ya...and it makes sense...as much as any of it does. :-)
Jan 16, 2008 10:45 am I just had a vision,
me and my friend, in 7th grade biology, cuttin up a frog, to see what makes him tick . . .
sounds vaguely familiar . . .
Jan 16, 2008 10:48 am Actually, yes, I have had that same thought, it's them learning...but as I recall, the frogs were dead...which is incredibly more humane than what happens to the typical abductee based on what I have read and heard.
Jan 16, 2008 10:49 am heh, i thought that too. maybe aliens are thinking themselves 'decent' by not killing their abductees, but instead wiping their memory.
Jan 16, 2008 10:54 am I remember the frogs being alive and "pithed," or paralyzed, by means of a needle in their spines...
Procedure
"Double pith a frog. There are several ways to do this. Firmly grasping the frog in one hand, quickly push a sharp metal probe through the skin from the back of the neck up into the brain. move the pointer tip around in the brain to destroy it. This is then a single pithed frog, one in which all higher brain function has been destroyed. Then, you can take the pointer and insert it into the spinal column and push it down until the legs extend and then relax. This is then a double pithed frog, one in which both higher brain function and reflex function is destroyed. The pointer should be long enough to reach the end of the spinal column, and should be easy to insert. If it is not easy, then the probe is probably outside the column."
Jan 16, 2008 11:53 am [quote]"I'd say this is true of mass, but not true of massless entities.
Not to go all 'God' on you guys, but thinking along the lines of ethereal existance. For example (but not limited to), ghost type entities.
They (could) exist in what could be a different dimension, or plane. This plane could be devoid of mass as we know it. So travel could be done very quickly.[/quote]
ok, ok. so if ya wanna allow for aliens who can get around easily, make them noncorporeal you're saying. the speed problem would be a little less serious. if you were composed of energy, you could travel at light speed. at light speed, time dilation would make it so that any trip, any trip to you, would be instantaneous. you could transverse the entire universe in exactly no subjective time. only problem is that to us on the outside, we would observe your trip as taking (in years) the number of light years you've traveled. a five light year journey (say, from alpha centauri) would still take ... 5 years. to you it'd be nothing at all, but to us five years. our galaxy is 100,000 light years across. so there are still limits. but there are lots of stars within just a handful of light years.
so your best bet is still interdimensional stuff.
but in an infinite universe, we would have to say that we are living in the portion where ben r. is good. the guy may end up in canton--just watch!
Jan 16, 2008 11:57 am Angels and Anal Probes... well see the thing is, there are many kinds of angels. Not all angels are like what people commonly think of as angels, all light and fluff. Hell look at metatron. More in depth look could be found in the Book Of Enoch.
But I think the consensus is that there is weird **** out there that we don't understand... I can go with that.
Jan 16, 2008 01:27 pm Just heard a strange story today that kinda goes with this story.
A plane en route to Toronto on Sunday drops several thousand feet injuring around 10 people that didn't have their seatbelts on. I know what you are thinking. Air pockets happen all the time, right? Ok well the investigative report came in and what they are alarmed about is that the plane rolled 30 degrees left and then 45 degrees right. Apparently this is a typical result of jet wash from a passing plane. Couple problems, the plane didn't show up on the radar recordings. Could've been a stealth fighter you say? Well apparently they leave a radar "footprint" while not in a war zone or combat. Sooo, it was either a stealth fighter operating inapropriately or......
I'll let you decide.
I'll try and dig up the news article.
EDIT: Here it is
[quote]The wake of a passing plane is a likely cause of the sudden mid-air fall of an Air Canada Airbus en route to Toronto from Victoria last week.
Based on information obtained by 24 hours news services, this hypothesis is being seriously considered by Transport Canada investigators as they look into the mid-air incident last Thursday at the edge of U.S. airspace near the Kootenay mountains in southeastern B.C.
The plane made an emergency landing in Calgary, where 10 passengers and crew were taken to hospitals for treatment.
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board is being asked to supply navigational recordings from the area where the incident occurred, said Real Levasseur, the Transpor-tation Safety Board of Canada's chief of investigations.
A number of individuals will also be questioned shortly, he said.
"We know what happened, but we still need to know why it happened," he added.
Levasseur also said there was a "high probability that an external force may have caused the incident." In other words, wake turbulence generated by another craft could be to blame.
It was not the sudden drop of the airplane that struck the investigators as odd, since it was restrained to approximately 1,000 feet per minute, but the unexplained rolling of the aircraft, which reached 46 degrees on one side and 30 on the other that caught their attention.
Such shifts generally occur when a plane enters the wake of another aircraft, and the pilot wants to compensate for the sudden rolling.
It is unclear why the plane's systems wouldn't have detected the mystery aircraft.
Levasseur refused to support the theory the craft could have been a stealth bomber.
U.S. Air Force officials said yesterday their stealth bombers always leave a radar signature when they are not flying over a war zone.
The fact the onboard computers failed also remains unexplained.
Air Canada flight AC190 had left Victoria for Toronto and was airborne for 30 minutes before it was caught in what seemed to be strong turbulence or an air pocket.
Out of the 83 passengers and five crew members, ten were injured after being launched into the walls and ceiling of the cabin or struck by personal belongings.
Once in Calgary, relieved passengers said the Airbus A319 had plummeted and rolled.
In the hours that followed, some witnesses also mentioned a malfunction of the onboard computers.[/quote]
Jan 16, 2008 01:34 pm Oh ya, and catch this.... look at the headline of the front cover from this same newspaper.
They were talking about the type of plane used - lol
Jan 16, 2008 01:56 pm well, that story proves it then. we can all just accept aliens.
re: the picture. bahaha. the reason aliens are so hard to detect is because they're traveling in perfectly normal looking seaprop planes. we just always overlook them
Jan 16, 2008 02:11 pm I think my neighbor is an alien...so they also drive minivans and have narcissism, I bet she anal probes her husb...oh ****, now I'll never get rid of that mental picture.
Jan 16, 2008 05:53 pm db you mention the desccriptions of the greys are consistent across time periods and cultures.
how far back and what's your source on that? was there ever a time when different cultures who were not in communication with each other both came up with the same imagery?
to me, my default position is that something else, something more interesting (to me) is going on here. something about the source of mythology and where it might come from.
Jan 17, 2008 01:16 pm Quote:
Fact is, we're just not bright enough to know the big answers yet.
Yep, Herb.
There are those fabulous photographs of the Horsehead Nebula taken by the Hubbel Telescope. You can see "God's Kitchen" and new stars being made. Awesome.
The distance between any two stars in the photograph is larger than ANYTHING we can possibly comprehend. We just can't get our little brains around that one. Nothing to compare it to, and no sense of its scale.
Mentioned above was the premise that we always think that "aliens" are going to be just like us... Why? They obviously didn't evolve with the same environmental variables. Why can't they be interdimensional? Why not?
Because we don't understand.
And we hit things we don't understand with rocks.
As Forty puts it, "I am a ape"
Sums it all up nicely for me.
I'll be in my cave with a fire and a pointed stick.
Cool radio report on the Texas UFO. Lots of people saw it, and many credible witnesses (a pilot, for example) gave reports on how two military jets were giving chase in a futile attempt to keep up. The military denies it, of course. Absolutely. Okay then.
Must be some pranksters who just happen to have a couple of F16's.
In the parallel universe, the 'other' Ben Roethlisberger gets rid of the ball.
:Pokes Forty with dB-Wan's stick:
Jan 17, 2008 03:28 pm any time i defend ben R in here, you should imagine me with the same sort of ultra-serious face tom cruise was wearing in that leaked scientology video (anyone see that?) but yeah, i could buy that his double gets rid of the ball sooner.
i think we understand quite a lot, just not everything.
Jan 17, 2008 04:09 pm Forty, I'm black'n'gold through and through.
Not everything? Not even close....
Let's say that one of my fish...the Foxface Rabbitfish for example....knows everything there is to know about the environment he is in. The aquarium. He knows every rock, every grain of sand, the other animals that live there, and even has a little inkling of the filtration system and the powerheads......
He's got it all down. He thinks he's the smartest fish he knows.
He still has no concept of the microwave oven that is just 20' away. Not even an inkling. It's completely unknown and 'alien' to him.
It still exists. It's just that it's beyond his capabilities of understanding.
Same with us. We're all over what we know! What we don't know far outweighs that knowledge.
Jan 17, 2008 04:23 pm TC gets the Analogy of the Day Award.
Good one.
Jan 17, 2008 08:01 pm yep, i agree with that. just trying to make sure you don't discount the things we do know. it's pretty common to do that. lots of people want to dismiss our hard-won knowledge or come up with ideas that obviously don't fit with it, or directly contradict it. i think i posted here somewhere before about how certain ideas become 'fixed' and will not change, after a while, and how you can usually tell which ones they are. newton's a perfect example: when einstein came along, newton wasn't proven wrong. instead, newton fits within einstein. as long as you do that--just take a step outward to a new frame of reference--then i've got no quarrel. in fact, your aquarium example is what i was saying with my 'huge canine head' example, above, with the fetus.
Jan 17, 2008 08:05 pm oh--but one thing. the fish, if he understands how the filter works, understands electricity, and to understand electricity, he must discover on his own all that nineteenth century stuff. the things faraday, maxwell, etc. discovered. if he understands electromagnetism (as he figures it out, he'll figure out the electromagnetic spectrum) he'll be able to at least dream of a microwave oven. hypothesize that they could exist.
please keep that in mind, man.
Jan 18, 2008 04:01 pm I hope we don't taste good with chips...
Jan 18, 2008 04:06 pm great idea TC! I'm heading off to get F&C for lunch... I was wondering what to have. :)
Jan 18, 2008 04:28 pm Nice one, BH.
Noticed that you've saved $112.00 so far by quitting smoking.
For that you could get:
A Squier Telecaster or
An Epiphone Valve Junior Amp
or a couple of microphones
or a preamp
or a compressor
etc.
No butts = gear porn of the future
Jan 18, 2008 04:43 pm Quote:
An Epiphone Valve Junior Amp
They are $150 here and that is the plan!! Not too much longer before I reach the reward point :)
Jan 18, 2008 06:39 pm I have one, it rocks.
Note that it only took a couple of weeks to get there. As the months fly by you'll be up to your ears in vintage Gibsons...
Jan 19, 2008 08:27 am Perhaps the goldfish would like a ciggy but knows deep down it would not stay lit:)
Jan 20, 2008 04:52 am my ferret used to smoke, lazily. you could put a lit cig in his teeth and he'd just hold onto it an squint his eyes. he'd get very slow and not do anything with it, just sit there.
Jan 20, 2008 07:01 pm Did he get all ratty if he didnt have one for a while?
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