May 29, 2008 02:23 pm Oh! That is where the Bush administration is going after they are done here.
I was wondering where he would wind up after the Presidency.
Copyright deal could toughen rules governing info on iPods, computers
Posted on May 29, 2008 12:37 pm
BeerHunter
www.TheLondonProject.ca
Member Since: Feb 07, 2005
This is getting pretty scary. As an artist I would prefer to be paid but this is just a bit much.
www.canada.com/vancouvers...c96ce5e&p=1
[quote]OTTAWA - The federal government is secretly negotiating an agreement to revamp international copyright laws which could make the information on Canadian iPods, laptop computers or other personal electronic devices illegal and greatly increase the difficulty of travelling with such devices.
The deal could also impose strict regulations on Internet service providers, forcing those companies to hand over customer information without a court order.
Called the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), the new plan would see Canada join other countries, including the United States and members of the European Union, to form an international coalition against copyright infringement.[/quote]
Click on the link above to read more.
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May 29, 2008 02:23 pm Oh! That is where the Bush administration is going after they are done here.
I was wondering where he would wind up after the Presidency.
May 30, 2008 11:35 pm Well, then they better go back about 35 years or more and start sueing everyone who ever put vinyl to tape to play in their car.
I'm so sick and tired of the greedy MF's that own the damn record companies.
Nuff said.
May 31, 2008 10:08 am Nothing new. If you don't have the warewithall to compete with change try to make it illegal. So who in the Canadian government is getting the pay off on this one? Sounds more like the U.S. Government...discusting.
May 31, 2008 07:22 pm Setting up "infringement police" at points of entry? That'll last about as long as a fart in an F5 tornado, with a lot less effect. They can't stop illegal aliens or drugs, and now they're expecting to quickly identify ill-gotten MP3s?
"Um, sir, please step out of the line. We need to examine every byte on your 250 GB hard drive. This will only take a minute or so." AaaaHahaha.
I see this going nowhere.
Jun 01, 2008 09:31 am The peddel-pigs in Ann Arbor make me sick enough parading around in their spandex panties. I can't wait for the Cyber-pigs with their horned rimmed glasses, pocket protectors and tactical USB cords. And these morons will be spending my money! Surrender your ipod or I will degause your vehical! Good grief.
Jun 02, 2008 11:16 am I find it strange that the average Joe who burns a few CD's onto his Ipod is the one being persecuted.
Nobody seems to be going after "ITunes". Surely there shouldn't be a option to put CD's in there if it's illegal. Nobody went after any of the manufacturers of CD burners, tape machines etc.
Nope, they are bigbusinesses! Possibly, they write campaign contribution checks...
Go after the guys with the truckloads of pirate DVDs. Don't go after the little guy. That's the road to "Big Brother."
Who am I kidding? Ha, Big Brother....! Surely not...
Jun 02, 2008 11:57 am Quote:
I find it strange that the average Joe who burns a few CD's onto his Ipod is the one being persecuted.
Very strange since he should be legally allowed to do this.
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Go after the guys with the truckloads of pirate DVDs.
We have a really large Chinese market that is held every weekend during the summer. We are talking boatloads of really cheap DVD's, CD's etc. They dont' seem to be going after them at all.
OK, so I have my iPOD with me and it is loaded up with songs. How are they suppose to know whether I purchased them or not? Hahaha, I'll probably get my iPOD confiscated for having MY songs on it. Great!
Jun 02, 2008 12:02 pm Quote:
We have a really large Chinese market that is held every weekend during the summer. We are talking boatloads of really cheap DVD's, CD's etc. They dont' seem to be going after them at all.
That'd be profilin' or discrimination of some sort I'm guessin...
Jun 02, 2008 12:04 pm Ya, your probably correct. We're talking color photo copied labels et al though.
Jun 10, 2008 03:17 pm Here is some more information that turned up. Rather scary.
www.smh.com.au/news/persp...2863545123.html
Digital copyright: it's all wrong
Graeme Philipson
June 10, 2008
A draft treaty proposes draconian measures to protect copyright.
THE forces of reaction are fighting back. As they often do, they are carrying out their planning in secret, in the knowledge that if more people knew of their activities they would not be allowed to get away with it.
The US (surprise, surprise) has circulated a draft "Discussion Paper on a Possible Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement" (ACTA) for the next G8 meeting, in Tokyo in July. The full text of the document has been published on Wikileaks (wikileaks.org).
The ACTA draft is a scary document. If a treaty based on its provisions were adopted, it would enable any border guard, in any treaty country, to check any electronic device for any content that they suspect infringes copyright laws. They need no proof, only suspicion.
They would be able to seize any device - laptop, iPod, DVD recorder, mobile phone, etc - and confiscate it or destroy anything on it, merely on suspicion. On the spot, no lawyers, no right of appeal, no nothing.
The draft contains other draconian measures. It proposes a governing body for copyright protection that would operate outside organisations such as the World Trade Organisation (WTO) and the UN. In short, it proposes a global police force, answerable to no one, with intrusive powers that vastly exceed those currently available to adherents of the concept of intellectual property.
The proposed treaty is being sponsored by a small group of US Congress members, all of whom Wikileaks says have received significant contributions from major record companies and film studios. As they say, "follow the money".
The first newspaper to break the story was Canada's The Ottawa Citizen, which in a story by Vito Pilieci on May 24 picked up on the Wikileaks posting. Since then the blogosphere has been rife with stories about the move. Most commentators are outraged that such a proposal is even being considered.
For 10 years in this column and elsewhere I have been arguing that the concept of copyright, and by extension most forms of so-called "intellectual property", are irrelevant in the digital era. I was once, with just a few others, a voice in the wilderness. Now most people I talk with agree.
The copyright mafia have tried all sorts of things, including the absurdity of Digital Rights Management (DRM), which attempts to use technology to hobble technology. They have maliciously prosecuted individuals for the "crime" of copying music from one medium to another
....click on the link to read more.
Jun 10, 2008 09:58 pm Like I said in another post.
Its time for a freakin revolution. This is getting absolutely insane.
Anyone tries to break into my house to check on my media content and I'll bash their little paws off the ends of their greedy little arms. I've had it with these money grubbing nut cases.
Besides, the only thing they will find here in mp3 format is artist's I work with and indie stuff, nothing more. And God help em if they try and destroy any of my recordings.
Jun 10, 2008 10:04 pm This makes me glad I have not really bought many CD's or do the mp3 player thing any more...I listen to music here at HRC, download some of the music, and just listen to radical right wing talk radio in the car...
Jun 10, 2008 10:21 pm yeah, with a minimum statutory damage of $500 you can make a pretty good living going though security.
Jun 11, 2008 07:16 am Hi Guys,
dB, radical right wing talk radio is on my list of favorites too. Along with Dr. Laura, Nationwide late at night, and radio drama theater with Gunsmoke starring William Canon, Sixshooter starring James Stewart, and Mystery Theater hosted by Gary Cooper. Great stuff.
Ya' know, Congress is investigating the wiretapping done by the CIA aided by the big telecom companies as illegal and harmful to the People. BUT, they also are considering a bill that would require colleges to develop software that would monitor student's PCs for illegal downloading. B. Gates explained to congress that the software is almost impossible to create, and is legally an invasion of privacy.
Monitor terrorists for our security, it's criminal. Monitor student's online activities for civil copyright violations, mandatory. Why? The RIAA and the lawyer's guilds want to sue the big telecoms and the little college kids.
Deficrats!
Glenn
Jun 11, 2008 07:59 am Mmmmmmm, Dr. Laura, I listen to her every day on the way home from work.
I really, really don't get this hardcore stance these groups are taking...I mean, yeah, revenue is dropping at the box office and in the stores but have they ever really considered that movies and music comingout now by and large just suck...they just keep regurgitating the same stuff over and over some a different blonde chick singing it.
When I listen to the radio I get the most enjoyment when they pull out an oldie, like some old Sabbath, Maiden, Ozzy, Rainbow, Purple or similar tune or something that was at least original in it's day and still holds up as good rock n roll...
And movies, well, the box office speaks for itself...they need to realize their formula isn't working...cuz one out of ten movies is actually good, and when they find something good they beat it to death...how long before "The Bourne Retirement Party" comes out...I mean, great series, but let's not wear it out...
Jun 11, 2008 02:23 pm speaking of movies... I'm doing another one... first time as director though...and it's the 'real deal'- 35mm.... so it's probably the most ambitious project in Ohio. ...and I'm going to be completely broke. :)
It's a Family Comedy/ Fairytale... still hashing out the script but everything is going extremely well so far.
Jun 11, 2008 02:44 pm Wow, I can't believe I'm willfully associating with people who willfully listen to Dr. Laura.... ugh!
glnflwrs... congress is not a singular entity. I'm sure it is not the same people behind both measures you speak of. But rather, I bet you would find those who support invading privacy fighting against the at&t investigation and also supporting the college monitoring bill you described.
By the way, the "monitoring" of "terrorists" for our "security" was done outside of the laws that were set up and outside of the Constitution. AKA the very definition of criminal.
But mostly I'm with Herb... there's no practical way to do this. 75% of the people who travel, seem to be travelling with an Ipod or laptop. Are they going to check every file on on every electronic device? Are police really going to concern themselves with intellectual property crimes on a small scale? I tend to doubt it (which is the same answer as why they don't mess with the chinese guys at the flea market - not because they're afraid of profiling...) *shakes head*
Jun 11, 2008 03:18 pm I work with Customs, if they checked everything that came through with digital information about 75% of passengers would miss the flights. These guys are on a schedule when a flight lands and they have a set amount of time to clear all passengers or else they get reamed by the airline and TSA. On our end, this aint gonna happen in my eyes.
Jun 11, 2008 04:24 pm What I don't get is how are they going to know whether the music was purchased or not.
Jun 11, 2008 04:40 pm If I rip something from a burned cd, will it look different if I ripped it from a legit cd?
If I have an mp3 that I illegally downloaded, will it look different from one that I downloaded as a promotional give away?
If I have an mp3 that I illegally downloaded, will it look different from one that I ripped from a legit cd?
What about if I purchased the cd used?
Oh, and what if it's the music of one of my friends that he emailed to me, or sent to me via p2p network?
Jun 11, 2008 04:46 pm most of who have driven to canada will know how this will be enforced...
"Do you have any pirated software on this device"?
Sort of like immigration... true example:
Border Agent steps onto bus.
Agent: Is everyone here a US Citizen?
Passengers: Yes
Asian chick: ****! I forgot my Green Card!
Everyone slumps forward and groans/sighs
Jun 11, 2008 05:08 pm What if it is YOUR BANDS music. How will you prove it?
Jun 11, 2008 07:08 pm I think you have to perform it live right there on the spot.
Jun 11, 2008 07:13 pm Well then, I guess I better get writing some lyrics. I already have a lot of words coming to mind.
Jun 11, 2008 08:59 pm I'll stick with the violence. I'll break the fingers off the first hand that tries to touch my damn media. That oughta get the point across.
Like I stated above, I'm so sick and tired of the money grubbing record companies and the money grubbing government that I am ready for a freaking revolution.
I'll start it, anyone interested in following?
Jun 11, 2008 09:50 pm Quote:
Well then, I guess I better get writing some lyrics. I already have a lot of words coming to mind.
hahahahaha
Really, they will make some sort of media file scanner that looks for some DRM meta data in the file or something weird, but DRM has been virtually dropped...
It's typical "lawmakers" puffing themselves up real big and passing laws that have no possiblity of every being actually enforced...
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I'll stick with the violence.
Violence solves everything, I got your back, homie.
Jun 11, 2008 09:59 pm Ya, and by the end of August Tuna will have both our backs covered, and then some.
Jun 12, 2008 02:26 pm West coast faction right here. I'm guarding my music collection with baseball bat in one hand and iron skillet in the other. Blunt force trauma to anyone trying to mess with my music.
Wouldn't that be something. A revolution based on intellectual property rights.
Jun 12, 2008 02:30 pm This is the classic story of somebody putting way to much time and effort into totally the wrong direction. I mean, if they have enough money to spend these millions and millions of dollars on all this litigation, I'd suspect they could afford to invest it in a way to distribute their products and lower their prices.
People would be more apt to buy (though pirates will always exist) less to litigate saving them that money...
They keep saying how much money they are losing, but how much is being lost in the litigation and how much is being lost on piracy? Additionally, how much time do they actually spend researching what people actually want rather than always regergitating the latest trend until everybody hates it...
I don't get it.
Jun 12, 2008 10:18 pm coolo, thats what I'm talkin about!!!!!!!
A revolution that is led by the guys who are making their stuff and getting out there by any means necessary.
People like Trent Reznor have it down. He can afford to give it away, but people such as myself will still buy it. And ya, he knows its gonna get pirated, thats why he is giving so much away.
dB, you are absolutely spot on with that. I read an article in an underground rag a month or two ago stating how much they are spending to try and protect their artist's. The article stated they are spending approx. 4 times the amount they are loosing to pirates on protecting the artist's. What a crock of crap. I'm guessing that isn't an absolute real number but insider's that spoke to the rag stated they are definetly (sp) spending more then they are loosing.
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