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Member Since: Feb 07, 2005

Well its not really a new application but rather a new feature in an audio application. I find this new feature to be quite exciting as it will change the way I work in the studio. It may very well change the way you work as well.

WTF am I talking about? You'll have to drop in on my blog to find out
beerhunter341.blogspot.com/

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Frisco's Most Underrated
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Since: Jan 28, 2003

Mar 13, 2008 02:03 pm

Ha ha, good lead in BH!!!

I'm off to go read about it.

Edit:
Oh snap, that's crazy! Anyhow, I don't know if I would need that functionality personally, but its cool to know its available. BH, when you use that program (don't want to give away the secret...), do you use the standalone or plugin version?

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Mar 13, 2008 02:12 pm

I have never been able to get it to rewire properly so I only use it stand alone. If we are working on a "keeper" we will always touch up the vocals even if it is just a little bit.

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Mar 13, 2008 02:15 pm

I'm really interested in the product, but I'm scared that if I get it, I'll start taking too many shortcuts and get reliant on it...

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Since: Feb 07, 2005

Mar 13, 2008 02:22 pm

yes I suppose in some ways we do take shortcuts.... on the other hand, audio apps and digital processors etc are all about short cuts.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Mar 13, 2008 02:23 pm

btw - coolo, the version I have works very well (except for the rewire part). It took a bit to learn the basics but it is quite quick to use once you know how.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002

Mar 13, 2008 02:30 pm

Hey coolo, if you don't like shortcuts, why not throw away your computer and go back to a mono cassette recording?

Technology rocks.

I dunno, man, the end result is all that matters to me, the road to get there is moot.

Frisco's Most Underrated
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Since: Jan 28, 2003

Mar 13, 2008 03:42 pm

Well, the way I look at it is this... If I can't perform what I'm recording, then I'm liable to end up on stage looking stupid.

I mostly agree with your last statement db, even if your first one was ridiculous...
That being said, I still feel like I'm deceiving the listener if I put out a song that I don't actually have the performance skills to make.

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Mar 13, 2008 03:48 pm

Don't be too hard on yourself coolo.

Recording and performing are two different beasts and should be approached differently. Even if you follow old school analog methods, you still don't have the opportunity to sing over and over again until you get it right while performing live.

It still takes a lot of skill to make great recordings.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Since: Jun 20, 2006

Mar 13, 2008 03:57 pm

So I did some reading. From what I gather if I went to zzounds and purchased the plugin for $199 but have not registered yet, then I would get the upgrade to v. 2 with direct note access for free yes?

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Since: Apr 03, 2002

Mar 13, 2008 04:24 pm

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I still feel like I'm deceiving the listener if I put out a song that I don't actually have the performance skills to make.

Funnily enough, the average listener couldn't care less how it's made.

Frisco's Most Underrated
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Since: Jan 28, 2003

Mar 13, 2008 04:30 pm

True, but as a listener, I care about other peoples music, and feel it would be hypocritical to not hold myself to the same standard.

BH, your point is well taken. I'm just concerned that it may become a crutch and I would end up not pushing myself to record the best take possible cuz I could always fix it afterwards.

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004

Mar 13, 2008 04:44 pm

Also, knowing how to do something, then using shortcuts, is different than never learning how to do something, and using shortcuts.

learning skills is still it's own rewards. plus,

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Funnily enough, the average listener couldn't care less how it's made.

this may be true, but I know when I've not stayed true to my ethics, and have 'cheated' on making my art. If nobody cares about how I did it, fine. But I still know that I didn't create it as I could have.

I guess personal ethics comes into play, and I would rather know that I played or sang a part (even in takes) instead of just fixed a bunch of bad takes.

ymmv, etc.

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Since: Jan 18, 2003

Mar 13, 2008 05:17 pm

how bout just learn to sing in key!

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Mar 13, 2008 06:12 pm

so... basically... it's crazy *** crossover ... to disassemble the arrangement... which can then be pitch shifted via normal means... which would be taken care of inside the application obviously...

I'll be honest... remixers will love this... because this essentially opens the door to instrument replacement.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Mar 13, 2008 09:12 pm

I thought it was going to be a bit like Rolands V-Vocal by the way you guys were ever so codedly comunicating, and it is... but it's also much more !

This thing breaks alot of rules... pretty damn exciting, just on that level . I mean... wave to midi !?! Ca-razy !

On the 'ethics' bit of altering/correcting a recording with this type of software: I don't think this bit of kit is any different than a stomp box in a guitar rig... it's just that this is deffinately one bad *** stompbox ! I can see this being used as creatively as an instrument .

I want the plugin version . So I can totally **** with Went after he records a couple of vocal tracks !heh heh

Czar of Midi
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Mar 13, 2008 10:44 pm

BH, there is a pluggin in Sonar 7 PE and it was actually in 6 as well that can do that as well. It actually now in 7 PE can do pitch to midi with anything you apply it to.

Hue V-Vocal is what I'm talking about. It can do pretty much the same things. You just need to use it as a pluggin instead of a direct V-Vocal track. I haven't used it as the V-Vocal direct on track. I use it as a pluggin only and love it.

I think the other has a couple more bells on it but V-Vocal is pretty much the same thing. I use it for creating harmony parts and all kinds of stuff.

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Mar 14, 2008 06:40 am

I think the advent of programs like this is great, but I personally don't believe in using them myself. I don't think there's anything wrong with using them at all, I just personally don't like 'em.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Mar 14, 2008 09:41 am

I thought this puppy is a bit different from V-Vocal, as it actually dissects the chord polyphony... didn't know V-Vocal did that .

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Mar 14, 2008 09:58 am

I don't think that v-vocal does this. If it does, I've never seen or heard of it before. Pitch correction, yes, but not the Direct Note Access.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Mar 14, 2008 10:11 am

Yeah... that's simply badass !

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Mar 14, 2008 10:20 am

Have you applied this to a drum track yet, BH ?

It'd be pretty cool to be able to re-tune a kit, or just tweak a snare with this .

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Mar 14, 2008 11:57 am

I don't think this version is available yet, so no, I haven't used it. What a great idea using it on drums though. You would probably only need 1 mic too, which would be a bonus. I like that spanish guitar thing that they show in the video as well. Very cool stuff.

Pretty soon all you will have to do is hum a song and you will be able to make it sound like an orchestra with the click of a button.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Mar 14, 2008 03:26 pm

Oh yeah, that's right... that version is coming out next fall . I think I may try the standalone version, 'til then . These guys are cool like Cakewalk, in the sense they allow you to pay a lower price when up grading... very cool .

Czar of Midi
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Mar 14, 2008 09:56 pm

BH, you need to use it as a pluggin and use it zoomed in. It can slice up the vocal performance and allow you to move just one note at a time. Its not the same breaking up as Melodyne is going to do, but I will assume it will do the same shortly.

I use it on guitar and bass parts were I need to fix one or two bad notes and the like. It can also be used on just about anything really.

And ya, V-vocal won't do but single note lines. Not full on chords. Although I honestly haven't tried it that way. I use it for chopping up and tweaking vocal track. It does a lot more then simply pitch correction.

I'll look for the video were he shows how to use it a bit deeper then just applied to a vocal track for simple pitch correction.

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Since: Feb 25, 2008

Mar 17, 2008 10:07 am

That is pretty cool software. He must be using some sort of FFT on the waveform then disceting the notes from the results of the transform - the graphically displaying them with full editing. It may have a place for sure.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Mar 17, 2008 05:36 pm

I will definitely use this, little fixes and backup vox in no time flat for a guy who has less and less studio time available to him sounds good.

This is no more cheating than using distortion or loop based material. They are tools and that's it.

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Mar 17, 2008 05:53 pm

[quote]Well, the way I look at it is this... If I can't perform what I'm recording, then I'm liable to end up on stage looking stupid.
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Fair comment. The Beatles stopped touring because they really couldn't perform their albums live (and other reasons, but that was the big one).

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