Aug 01, 2005 01:06 pm service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
mixers with direct outs
Posted on Aug 01, 2005 12:56 pm
little guy
just a good guesser
Member Since: Oct 04, 2004
does anyone know of any mixers out there with direct outs for each channel for multi-track recording on a pc with a soundcard the is able to do multi-track recording?
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Aug 01, 2005 01:16 pm well.. instead of a 24 inline channel mixer... anything in the 10 - 12 inline channel mixer...
i'm guessing when they say "inline" they mean that it has direct outputs?
Aug 01, 2005 01:18 pm direct outs are often a feasture on larger mixers, 16 channel is the smallest I have seen as I recall, but I'll look around.
Aug 01, 2005 01:20 pm service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear is a cheaper one, doesn't have direct outs on each but does have 8 subgroups each with their own outs...
Aug 01, 2005 01:21 pm service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear has channel inserts on each channel which can be used as a direct out.
Aug 01, 2005 01:45 pm geesh, this really bites, especially because the price is really up there. i may be wrong, but i would think that it would be easier to have a mixer with direct outs than mixing them into one channel.
the reason why i would like a mixer with direct outs is because at some point i'm going to switch over to multi-track recording. i really like the way my current mixer opperates. it has the gains, phantom power, high, mids and lows, preamps.. etc. and let's say i wanted to record drums for instance. i'd like to be able to separate each mic for the drums and have their own tracks.
is there an alternative way around having a mixer with direct outs that would have some of the features of a mixer???
this maybe a dumb question, i understand...
p.s. you'd think that the industry would make these types of mixers more available considering the increase in home multi-track recording
Aug 01, 2005 01:48 pm Yeah, one with many subgroups is the other way. Direct Outs all by themselves would likely be cheaper, but it's more components and more signal pathing when added to a mixer...remember channel inserts can be direct outputs as well.
I prefer subgroups over direct outs myself...more flexibility.
Aug 01, 2005 01:53 pm are there any pci units that come with a decent amount of I/O's (enough to record a drumset/band) that also have 48 phantom power and xlr connectors?
p.s. i've tried looking around, but with no luck
Aug 01, 2005 01:56 pm Quote:
geesh, this really bites, especially because the price is really up there
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are there any pci units that come with a decent amount of I/O's (enough to record a drumset/band) that also have 48 phantom power and xlr connectors?
To get what you want you are going to be spending a lot of money, stop looking for a cheap solution, it's a waste of time, you are asking for features that will cost a lot no matter what direction you go.
Aug 01, 2005 02:03 pm i figured that much, that it was going to be expensive. i guess what i should have been asking is how do others go about multi track recording?
what about yourself, how do you go about multi-track editing? (if you do multi-track)
i know i will be spending some loot in the future and i figure i might as well do my research before i make such investments.
i do appreciate the help and the straight to the point info
Aug 01, 2005 02:08 pm Honestly, I don't do much multitracking, when I do it's a matter of subgroups, not direct outputs.
I don't think a sound device with the pres and XLR's is the right way to go, as then you are stuck with those preamps. A nice, high-end card with 1/4" inputs is good as it can then take a feed from any mixer or preamp unit you choose for any particular situation. If you have chosen preamps, or preamps in the card, however, you can virtually eliminate the need for a mixer depending on how you plan to work.
Once you get up over needing, say 8 inputs, it starts getting expensive.
Aug 01, 2005 02:12 pm so for example.. let's say i get a soundcard with like 10 I/O's, i could then get the preamp of my choice for how ever mic inputs i want to use, that way i have the choice of the preamp i want. because if i get a card with built in XLR and pres then i'm taking a chance because the pres could be absolute crap
Aug 01, 2005 02:15 pm exactly.
That said, lots of people HATE behringer pres and I have no problem with them myself, so it's a matter of taste and budget. Me, not being a wealthy man, am a big fan of the "it's good enough" method of studio construction.
Aug 01, 2005 02:18 pm my mixer has built in pres and it's a behringer... i like it...... maybe that's they way i'll go when i get to that point.
Aug 01, 2005 03:02 pm Don't forget that you can use inserts as direct outs. So if you find a mixer that has the number of channels that you want, see if it has inserts on each channel. If so, then there ya go.
Aug 01, 2005 03:13 pm A combination of Aux Sends, Sub Sends, Direct Outs & Inserts may be what you'll find answers all your needs... A friend of mine has an older 16 channel Alesis mixer (made for their ADAT tape machines) that fit the bill for 8 channel recording perfectly, but I can't remember the model number... Has A-B inputs, so it's like a 32 channel mixer. Expensive new, though, but you might find one ocassionally on E-Bay. MOTU, RME and the like all do multi-channel inputs above the 8 count, using multiple boxes, but the money... I think the Delta 1010 does multiple cards also, doesn't it? Or was it the Echo Layla?
Edit: What you get is a combination of budget and gotta-haves on the gear. So you *need* say, 16 channels in a mixer for live work, with 2 monitor sends and a few sub-mixes to control "groups" (say, guitars on one, drums on one & vox on another...), then you "need" a 16 channel, 4 bus, 2 Aux mixer. Add effects in there and you'll need a couple more Aux Sends. When you start adding recording requirements in... now you're almost going to double your mixer requirements. As our band bought gear, we very seldom got rid of the old. It got incorporated into the setup to help with some other function. Our original mixer became our sub-mixer for the drums and fed the main mixer. When we replaced the main mixer, it became our recording mixer, fed by the new main mixer. (One thing about our gig setups, it sure *looked* impressive. Too bad we weren't as good as our gear!!!) Anyway, back to it: After mucho mucho research, you'll find that what you want, what you'd like, and what you need are all different and of entirely different budgets...
Aug 01, 2005 03:21 pm from what i've read at other forums, i'm obviously not the only one with this question. which is good to know
Aug 01, 2005 06:15 pm as people have said, channel inserts and the "one click" method are a godsend for getting lots of outs from a desk. i do this with my Soundcraft E12, when recording drums! if you need explanation just ask, a lot of people are familiar with this approach :)
Aug 02, 2005 01:47 pm The mixer I used to use that had 16 direct out channels was the Alesis Studio 32 mixer. This was an excellent mixer for the price and served it's purpose. The preamps are fairly transparent. Pick one up for $200 bucks.
Aug 02, 2005 01:50 pm jeezuz, two posts this year from stupe...what a spammer :-p
hope things are good stupe.
Aug 02, 2005 02:03 pm lol @ db. Things are going good, i'm re-setting up my project studio in my apartment and getting back into home recording. I moved to san diego now. How are things with you? Is noize still around?
Aug 02, 2005 02:05 pm Noize hasn't been around much, he's been working mega-hours at work for the last many, many weeks/months. When he is home, he's in bed.
Things are good here, HRC is still rockin, I am always busy, but rarely making music myself...too much other stuff going on.
Aug 02, 2005 07:07 pm The Alesis Studio 32, that's the one... very versatile. $200, seriously? E-Bay?
Aug 03, 2005 01:23 pm found one that isn't an arm and a leg...
Behringer's UB2442FX-Pro
8 Direct Outs plus 8 insert I/O and subs.. honestly 8 direct outs is what caught my attention and it's like $300.
affordable and i like behringer anyways. but i'm gonna hold off on buying it. it's gonna be about a year anyways when i switch to wanting to do multi-track recording. and who knows, maybe by then that area of the market will be more geared towards multi track recording on PC's
Aug 04, 2005 11:42 am Ebay they will run a little higher. The one I found was in the local classifieds. It was used, i'm pretty sure all the channels were fully functional. This was over 5 months ago though. :P
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