Another friggin school shooting
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Posted on Mar 22, 2005 11:12 am
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
OK, this one was close to home, a couple hours north of the Twin Cities, where myself, Noize2u and Jason H live.
Now, I hate getting into these discussions on HRC cuz they often wind up heated and stuff...but WTF is going on with youth today? When I was a kid I had loads of guns available to me...but we just hit each other or something...whats going on?
Now, with the liberal "everyone is a victim" agenda, parents now finding it increasingly difficult to discipline with spankings and such, teahcers now being increasingly unable to discipline kids, and now, I will lay good odds the media will center around "that poor boy, what made him do it" rather than "that friggin loser scumbag shot a bunch of innocent people".
This saddens me and pisses me off all at the same time. When my kids are bad enough, they get spanked. Thankfully they are, as a whole, good kids and a real "spanking" has only happened, maybe twice. How else does one teach and discpline a kid? That "time out" BS does not work, parents are often too busy working since today's Americana encourages both parents to work so they can "keep up with the Jones'" and have all the newest bestest material things.
When can we get back to society the way it should be, working hard to make a living, parenting hard to raise a good next generation and watch out for each other...and build a society, not an individual...
argh, it's so frustrating, if you disagree with my rant, sorry, I am just ranting...
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Mar 22, 2005 11:22 am dB, you are spot on with your rant! Speaking as a parent, I fully believe that every once in a while kids need a good kick in the butt as a consequence for their behavior. Parents are just afraid to do it...they're too busy tryin' to be best buddies with their kids. Sometimes parents need to step upn and do the right thing.
Speaking as a teacher, it is very difficult to discipline kids, because a lot of parents take the kids side when something goes wrong at school. It doesn't matter how hard I try here at school...whatever I do will be pointless if it's not reinforced at home.
Frustrating indeed...
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Mar 22, 2005 11:27 am I agree, my kids are under somewhat strict rule, because of society's inability to structure like they used to. Everybody's got to be protected from any undue stress, while the society becomes a plate full of limp noodles.
My SO is at home, raising our kids. Thankfully we're able to do it. And next year, we're home-schooling as well, due to the fact that schools can't figure out what to do about the lack of individual responsibility, and the weakening of society's expectations. Oh yeah, also that our schools are not very good academically.
I teach my kids that you should be responsible for yourself, help others to be responsible as well, and the whole of society will correct itself if people follow that premise.
(the opinions expressed are that of the author)
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Mar 22, 2005 11:29 am Quote:
(the opinions expressed are that of the author)
we should have a forum called that...
i agree with dan, but whatever anyones viewpoint, im sure we'll all agree this was a horrific waste of lives, and our thoughts are with those affected.
Mar 22, 2005 11:32 am Well, thats another thing, my wife stays home and raises the girls. I don't make a ton of money by any means, but it's enough to get what we need and enjoy life. I think a lot more people COULD do it, but they need to have a big house, new cars, the best toys and all that. And many people go so far as to get themselves so deep in debt they can't breathe...which causes stress, which I think sometimes makes a parent give in to kids easier just cuz it's easier...
It's a wicked downhill spiral we are on, and everybody will incorrectly label it as a gun issue, when it's really not. it's a society issue.
The public school system needs a serious overhaul, and could be well funded if we could more effectively budget the federal coffers, but that won't happen any time soon.
ARGH.
Mar 22, 2005 11:32 am Quote:
im sure we'll all agree this was a horrific waste of lives, and our thoughts are with those affected.
Amen, brutha.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Mar 22, 2005 11:53 am Good point Flame.
My heart goes out to all those affected.
Mar 22, 2005 12:58 pm A Google-cached thread from the shooter on a neo-nazi type of site, a native-american nazi...interesting plot twist...it was removed from the site, but still cahced on Google.
66.102.7.104/search?q=cac...se%22&hl=en
keep in mind this is ached from the web site nazi.org
ZX6R1033PerdidoMember
Since: Dec 15, 2004
Mar 22, 2005 02:22 pm wow thats crazy.
Mar 22, 2005 02:40 pm i only have one question, and this comes from not a liberal or conservative view, but a scientific one: was he on antidepressants?
this data is not yet available. this is a pet issue of mine.
so many of these shootings have been done by kids on anti-d's, and as someone who's been on them myself, i know the horrible, maddening, inescapable feeling of 'activation syndrome' that often comes along with it. activation syndrome is a hypothesized ballooning of neuron growth within the hippocampus (a part of brain that handles emotions)that apparently happens to people on serotonin reuptake inhibitors. it raises a whole different issue involving the drug industry.
i cannot predict what legal changes will happen if this syndrome gets some data behind it sometime soon. the only thing i will say is that the 'difference between right and wrong' is retained in any individual suffering from this.
kinkel, the columbine kids, and about 3 others i cant remember the names of were all on SSRI's at the time of thier crimes.
we will see. if i had to bet i would bet this kid was not on these drugs. this case seems perhaps different.
Mar 22, 2005 02:50 pm I dunno, I hadn't heard anything like that yet, but it is a valid question. Given the averages, I'd say it's a good chance, as the medical establishment seems to be very quick to hand them out to anyone and everyone...
that subject, however, opens and entirely new can of worms, and is yet another crack in the foundation of our society...
GregorMember
Since: Jan 08, 2004
Mar 22, 2005 03:53 pm I too work in a school and find this horrifying! Kids today don't have much of anything any more whether it be discipline or love. It's a hard thing to really know all the answers, you have to look at what really works but I've yet to see what does really work. We allow kids way too much control and they don't know how to use it, they need strucure otherwise the have to deal with stress on an adult level and things like this seem to happen. Todays society puts too much emphasis on the ol mighty dollar instead of investing in their kids which would result in a poor finicial situation but rich in morality and humility.
Jason H.Jack of all trades master of ___Member
Since: May 28, 2004
Mar 22, 2005 04:36 pm The only quote that comes to mind is:
"It it really that hard??"
By the time I have children and they become of age...school shootings might become more common. Sad to say, I would have to have the mindset as a parent of a child in the military by just sending them off to school...Not to be extreme, but holding the firm belief that my kid might not make it home in the afternoon...hug, kiss, "be safe and always know I love you..."
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Mar 22, 2005 06:28 pm you wouldn't send them to school.
Jason H.Jack of all trades master of ___Member
Since: May 28, 2004
Mar 22, 2005 07:39 pm I am saying its pretty rediculous that its soooo hard nowadays that one feels they have to shoot people...And you never know when its gonna hit. I had a school shooting happen at my high school between two people (freshman year)...Walk out and here is this dude with 3 to his chest...Like I said...its gonna be near military the way parents will have to think...
And with the pattern of these recent incidents near MN here...(besides my sherrif officer getting popped, and living still) all these highly publicized tragic incidents happen to occure in (FUNNY) small towns where its gods country and its not evil like the "big city"...
