Mar 12, 2005 06:08 pm Ya that happened to me when I first started. But whenever I miked the amp it was fine. Something to do with impendences I guess.
Problem..
Posted on Mar 12, 2005 10:07 am
johnstbs
Member Since: Jul 27, 2004
jus got a new computer and ive plugged my guitar in to my amp an my amp in to the "onboard sound card thing".. an im using cubase to record some guitar ..
problem.. when i start recording, the file fades in!..
and every time i stop playing then start again , it fades in again!..
not sure why this is happening but im getting a propper sound card soon so that might solve it..
any help??
john
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Mar 12, 2005 06:08 pm Ya that happened to me when I first started. But whenever I miked the amp it was fine. Something to do with impendences I guess.
Mar 13, 2005 05:56 am too many threads like these are why i stopped posting here for almost a year.
I am so pissed that the Tape Op discussion board is temporarily closed.
Mar 13, 2005 05:58 am guess tape op is back up and running. finally useful topics again.........
Mar 13, 2005 08:01 am so woww wow.. wats TAPE OP??
and iv never had this prob b4!??..
any 1 else got any ideas what this cud be??
john
Mar 13, 2005 08:12 am you mean that the other tracks become part of the new recording?
Mar 13, 2005 08:19 am Johnstbs dont worry about "josh hates you" as far as I'm concerned it's the resident ******* who doesn't seem to understand this board is here to help new, avarage and pro people...
I don't know about your problem, but I'm sure there's someone here that CAN help you
greets
Mar 13, 2005 08:33 am Tape Op is a magazine www.tapeop.com a free one
Josh, if this is that bad of a forum and the members posts, stop coming. We don't need people like you around here, all you do is ***** and whine thinking you are that much better than every one else, we don't need it.
I have thought about this issue and really have little idea what would cause a fade...even a bad/cheap sound card wouldn't do that...it's confusing...
Mar 13, 2005 08:42 am cool fella's..
no the new recordin doesnt become part of a new track.. the track just fades in very quickly, as if its takin time to reciece a signal or somethin from the guitar.. not jus wen i record, i can see the slider bar showing the gain, and when i strum it takes a few seconds to start to rise..
john
Mar 13, 2005 08:46 am do you have any sort of gating, compression or anything like that on the track while recording it? It sounds kind of like a slow release setting on a compressor or something...very weird.
Mar 13, 2005 08:53 am yeah i thought that.. but i haven.. the channels are completely flat in cubase.. and i dont have any hardware either anyway.. iv never had this prob b4..
the only thing i can think it might be is the fact that im going from amp to "on board sound card" which is the basic of basics when it comes to sound cards iv been told..
john
Mar 13, 2005 08:59 am maybe the problem is in the amp :S
maybe it needs a little time to warm up or something
I don't know , I'm not a guitarplayer
Mar 13, 2005 09:01 am no the amps cool.. iv had it on for ages. the only way i can describe it is that when i strum its as if it takes time to go thru the leads to cum out on the screen..
john
Mar 13, 2005 09:06 am ahhhhhhhhhh, so not necessarily a "fade in", but just a delay between when you play it and when you hear/see it in Cubase?
Well, my friend, that would be our arch-nemisis, "latency". Latency is the amount of time it take from the time the sound enters the computer to the time it exists the speakers. With better sound cards it much lower, but yes, with stock hum-drum sound cards it is much greater.
Not sure about Cubase, but in Sonar it will tell you your effective latency. I have an ESI Juli@ and it's latency is about 2.7 milliseconds, some of the average integrated chips such as SoundMax, ESS and the like latency can be up around half a second...so yes, this could very well be your problem, if I understood the last post correctly.
Mar 13, 2005 09:29 am nonono.. its not latency! iv experience that b4 but not this time!.. it is exacly a fade in. about 3 seconds when i start to play.
john
Mar 13, 2005 09:39 am why dont you start recording 3 seconds later then? its not perfect, but itll work...
Mar 13, 2005 09:52 am no its not the recordin that is the problem..
its as soon as i strum the guitar, it fades in from there..
so that wouldnt make a diffetence..
for example if im recording a song, and the guitar stops dead in a certain part of the song, when i start to play agen, it fades in !..
john
Mar 13, 2005 09:55 am Then I can't help at all, it's makes no sense and I have absolutely no idea what the problem is...but, I can be pretty confident in tracing it back to the integrated sound card at some level...different integrated chips behave in different, and weird ways.
Mar 13, 2005 10:02 am maybe I'm a bit confused... are you plugging the amp directly into the soundcard? Are you doing this with the speaker outs? If so then that would be the problem and you're lucky thats the only one :)
Mar 13, 2005 10:07 am That is weird .
I'm going to take a wild guess that it maybe a 'sound effect' setting in the on-board soundcards menu ??? If you mainboard has this feature, set it to 'none', perhaps that will fix it ???
Mar 13, 2005 10:16 am hehehe, good shout zek, I moved ahead just assuming he wasn't using the speaker outs into the sound card, perhaps that was a mistaken assumption on my part...
another thought is to try other driver type, if it allows MME, WDM and/or ASIO (likely not ASIO) try the different types and see if that helps.
If you ARE pluggin a speaker out into your sound card, the fade in is probably a little built in protection circuit on the device itself, and yeah, a lot of other damage could be done...
Mar 13, 2005 10:24 am wat ya mean "speaker outs"??..
it goes guitar - guitar amp - then straight in to the microphone input on the back of the computer..
ill have a look at the driver type thing and if there is any effects applyed.
john
Mar 13, 2005 10:26 am are you micing the guitar amp and running the microphone into the mic in? I hope so, otherwise, you need to use a "line in". If notusing a mic, what jack are you running out of your amp into the sound card?
Mar 13, 2005 10:29 am no im not mikin the amp up.. im goin straight in to the sound card.
guitar - guitar amp - lead from line out on amp in to microphone socket on bk of comp.
john
Mar 13, 2005 10:30 am there is your problem, or a likely culprit. Hook it up to a line in, not a mic in, those two types of inputs run at different gain levels and are not generally interchangable.
In that situation you would be well served getting an amp sim such as a POD or Vamp, running an amp straight in to a sound card won't give very good sound most of the time.
Mar 13, 2005 10:32 am o ok cool.
finally sorted..
ill jus check if theres a line in on the bk of the computer then!!
or ill mic up the amp and put that in the mic input..
1 mor q.. if i get a new sound card, how do i enable it?
john
Mar 13, 2005 10:34 am Install it as you would any other device and the option to use it will exist in the application you record in. How it is installed depends on the device you buy, but ultimately it's all just hooking up the device and running the CD that comes with it to install the drivers.
Mar 13, 2005 01:48 pm ok tried the line in method.. still the same.. still get the fade in thing.
tried micin the amp up goin thru the mic socket.. still the same..
dont know wat it is.. but im gonna get a soundcard soon and a little mixer .. question - will a little mixer have a pre aaamp in it?? to give me that extra boost b4 it goes to the sound card??
it might all be solved then..
john
Mar 13, 2005 01:59 pm I think I used to have this problem before (if I understand correctly what your saying). For some reason my computer, although it was fast enough and had enough RAM and such, still had a delay problem. I switched to a differnt slightly faster computer and the delay was gone. Im just givin my 2 cents. Also, when you say fade in, do u mean the volume gradually gets louder?
A little mixer like the behringer UB1002 will have mic pres built in...but I don't think that thats your problem (still a little sketchy on what exactly your set up looks like).
Good Luck
P.S. I've been in the same position you have and it got me extremely frustrated. But after everything started working, it was totally worth the wait.
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