Help Help! Setup Woes.. M-Audio Delta 66 & Cakewalk Sonar Producer
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Posted on Jan 31, 2005 11:48 pm
MasterMayhem
Member Since: Jan 10, 2005
I am having the worst time trying to figure this out.. First my setup..
1.7gHz AMD
512MB pc2100 Memory
Creative Audigy2 ZS
M-Audio Delta66 With Omni I/O breakout box
5.1 surround speakers
everything else seems redundant to mention
My Problem..
I want to be able to monitor the effects that I put on inputs in Sonar realtime...and I can't seem to get the setup right..
I have accomplished this in from the Delta/Omni and out through the Audigy but with a terrible delay/echo. All reports have told me to use the same card for input as output. Sold.. I've given up using the Audigy. But I can't figure out exactly which port is the output on my Omni I/O or the Delta66 panel. If I set up the delta as the default record/playback in my windows control panel, and I try to output from something other than sonar, I don't get any audio. What output is the default one? I guess what I'm asking is if I didn't have the Audigy at all, how would I use the Delta66/Omni as a regular sound card? Or... dare I ask.. Can I use the audigy to monitor my Post FX Sonar output without the godawful delay? Feel free to ask any questions .. I'll answer as best I can.. I just want to be able to get more from this setup than record a take... stop.. play it back with the fx/filter....grumble.. do another take.. cycle repeats..
Please Help
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Feb 01, 2005 05:52 am Personally, I would use the Audigy for the Windows default recording and playback, so then it will play system sounds, gaming sounds and all that crap.
The Delta should be configured in your SONAR settings. I can't really tell you which input is "default". Go to your Sonar audio device settings, enable all the inputs and outputs for the delta and the omni, then go to the track you are recording and list what your selection options are for the track input.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Feb 01, 2005 05:56 am Do you EVER sleep dB ?
Feb 01, 2005 05:57 am HA, I just woke up, I went to sleep at about 8:30 last night, got up at 4:30...I got my 8 hours...more than usual.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Feb 01, 2005 06:04 am Oh, I thought I seen a post from you around 2 am ??? Must'a misread . G'morning !
Feb 01, 2005 07:35 am So dB, I should have everything normal -outside- of sonar, but in sonar I should disable all refrences to the audigy? And I'm fine with inputs.. no problem there. I just don't know how to get the sound back out with the Delta66/Omni. I can monitor the sound that is being played (input only.. a guitar for example) through the monitor outs or direct outs of the Omni but as far as the -processed- sound... I can't monitor that. I can't even playback a recorded sound through the omni.. I don't know how it is supposed to act like a -normal- sound card. Thant's why I tried to set it up as the only sound card in windows, so that I could use another app and find out where my output is... for processed or wave out sound.
Feb 01, 2005 08:17 am outputs are also selected per track and per bus in Sonar, but I can't really help unless I know what outputs you have listed as being available in Sonar.
Feb 01, 2005 09:11 am I can select the delta 1/2, delta 3/4, delta SPDIF, and other variants of the 1st 2... I just don't understand that is considered an 'out' on the physical hardware itself (delta 66 pci card or the omni breakout) also, on the rear of the delta 66, there are rca jacks, red and white labeled SPDIF. Are these SPDIF only or are they analog right & left or am I misunderstanding the meaning of SPDIF as a digital only signal?
Feb 01, 2005 09:15 am The RCA jacks are the S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) digital jacks, one is in (both right and left) and one is out (both right and left). Delta 1/2 are the 1 and 2 analogs outs on your Delta breakout box and 3/4 are the 3 and 4 outs from your breakout box. You should also be able to select just 1 or just 2...just 3 or just 4.
Regarding the Omni, I dunno, I have never seen one of those in use...
What driver type are you using? ASIO or WDM? With M-Audio I suggest trying the ASIO first as I have seen them typically perform better for M-Audio gear, but some people claim otherwise.
Feb 01, 2005 09:35 am Yeah, I'm not so sure how the omni maps its outs. I've tried to match the manuals up and was still at a loss as to how the delta maps the omni's ports.
I'm using the WDM drivers...and switched to asio but the m-audio card didn't show up when I did this...which brings up the question...
Do I have to install asio drivers seperately for the m-audio or are they typically installed with the regualr install cds?
And if I can get asio drivers set up, can I use the audigy as my playback and m-audio as my record/input without a delay.. or should I just give up on that idea completely. I'm going to check out M-audio's website for this product and see if there are any updates...
Feb 01, 2005 09:40 am Well, I'll give a freindly bit of advice first.
Go to www.m-audio.com and download the most recent drivers for both of your devices. Make sure you have the most recent for both, that may solve some of the issues right there.
If you get a decent latency (Sonar will tell you in milleseconds what it is) I would suggest not using the Audigy at all...
Feb 01, 2005 09:46 am Right.. doing that now.. Will have to get back to you as to the success, because the computer is at the studio and I'm at home... I'll let you know what the next round of trial and error results in. Thansk so far.
PS should I begin another post, add to this one, or just attempt to contact you directly? what would be easiest?
Feb 01, 2005 10:08 am just keep going here, it's easier to track that way.
Feb 05, 2005 10:46 pm Finally got it to work.. thanks for all the help!
Feb 10, 2005 09:26 pm Hi guys,
I'm having a problem with the Delta 66.
I'm using Sonar 4 Producer Edition.
What's the best configuration in Sonar 4 for the Delta 66 card as for the buffers and so on...
Each time I'm trying to record a simple stereo audio track of my song that is from midi tracks only, I have some clicks on the audio track.
Thanks. I'm relatively new in audio (not in MIDI though!)
Qcfreethinker
