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Posted on Dec 22, 2004 08:03 am
Renegade
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Member Since: Nov 28, 2004
Hi there just wondering if adobe audition is good for this and is there any good mastering plug ins I should check out
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LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Dec 22, 2004 09:35 am I haven't used Audition so I can't comment on that, but as far as mastering plug ins go, all you need is Izotope Ozone for a good mastering reverb, Magneto to warm it up, and Har-Bal for harmonic balance. If you only got one of these though get har-bal as it is genius
Jason H.Jack of all trades master of ___Member
Since: May 28, 2004
Dec 22, 2004 10:04 am Loki is pretty much dead on...I have HarBal and I have played with Izotpe...I have Audition and you could do it with audition but the other noted software is easier to use for mastering purposes
Dec 22, 2004 03:49 pm ok thanks I have a few other questions that I might as while post here rather than starting new threads first is I know most of the people on this forum are "true musicians" and are in bands or record as a one man band and most of you play some sort of instrument
ie guitar,drams,bass etc My self am not making this type of music there for it's like %95 digital (Hip Hop) so what Im wondering is this
is the same principles apllied to all kinds of music when mastering? I know reverb as the effect but im not sure how you would use in the mastering process?
also im finding it hard to figure out why people have a program such as audition-wavelab-SF and cubase-sonar-logic and so on in addition to the first few i mentioned mabey im missinformed but with audition and programs alike cant you do all the stuff cubase and others can do?
ie sequence,record,edit,cut ,chop , paste,blah blah blah do you know what i mean? why have two programs that do the exact same thing?
isn't it just a waste of $$$$ or am I getting it all wrong if so please explain
Jason H.Jack of all trades master of ___Member
Since: May 28, 2004
Dec 22, 2004 03:57 pm Well its in my knowledge that effects like reverb n all are inserted primarily before the mastering process...
All mastering is, is making sure your CD is maximized, balanced and consistant...look at mastering as the clear coat that goes on to a nice *** paint job to make it shine..
As for programs...certain programs are geared towards certain process's...The ones you named are multi track sequencers....geared towards recording multiple tracks...where as HAR BAL n all are geared towards mastering....different applications require software geared towards it....
And no, its not a waste of money, you can never have too many tools...
Dec 22, 2004 04:06 pm Ok but if all the programs I listed are multi track sequencers why would I or anybody need 2?
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Dec 22, 2004 04:22 pm ok there's a difference here. Something like Cubase or Sonar are good for recording, and mixing. Wav Editors are good for editing wav files, and you will probably need each of these types of applications if you plan on doing any recording at all (even if it's just vocals). Fruity loops, Reason, etc, are good sequencers, and are good for laying out a beat, arranging songs. These programs aren't necessary if you are recording all the instruments, but if you need drums or are doing hip hop in a typical fashion, these will be of help. For mastering/premastering, most people use a wav editor like wavelab, and more people are starting to use HarBal in addtion.
Here's the process I use (maybe this will help, as I also create hip hop). First, I will sequence out the beat using either Massiva or Reason. Then I will import each instrument to it's own track in the multitrack area of CEP. After that, I will record any vocals or other instruments I want to add. From there I add effects to each track as needed, adjust levels and pans. Also, as I'm working on the mix, I will use the wav editor in CEP to fix up any vocals (invariably there are some breath noises I'd like to be quieter or some plosives that need to be removed) or sometimes other parts as well. Then, I mix down and open the mixdown file to master in a new multitrack session (however if I used Wavelab or similar, I'd export it at this point).
I hope this helps you get a handle on the process and need for multiple programs.
Dec 22, 2004 04:43 pm uhm im still coming to the conclusion that i had b4 you just said what i said
quote (not exact words) heres the process I make the beat in reason and then from there take it to CEP (Adobe Audition)
Where I will (record) any vocals or other instruments,Add my efects to each track adjust levels and pans (mix) also fix up any vocals or other parts in the (Wave Editor) then i will (mixdown) and then open the mixdown file and begin the mastering process
....yeah you've just repeated what I said youve just took a song to begining to comletion in one program(not including reason)so where does cubase,or sonar fit in You've just done everything cubase and sonar do (all within CEP/Audition) so my question is why do people have both?
deepsMember
Since: Jan 26, 2004
Dec 22, 2004 05:00 pm Sonar/Cubase are HI-END programs that most studio geeks use such as myself. Does it mean that your mix will suck if you dont use Cubase or Sonar? No. Some people like sex, some don't. Feel me...
Its your own personal preference.
Dec 22, 2004 05:16 pm So what your saying is I can use Audobe Audition
for a substitute for the high end programs until I feel it's time upgrade?
so Audition is a one stop solution for a begginer such as my self but when I decide to go high end Sonar or Cubase the wave editor/"real" mastering tools are seperate fromt the main Sequencer?
Is this right do I understand now?
MurphyAn outburst for perfectionMember
Since: Dec 11, 2002
Dec 22, 2004 10:50 pm
People like diff programs,
sonar, Cubase etc...
Maybe they like The layout of that program, or it's just what they're used to working with.
Adobe Audition is not a substitute, it's as good as any multitracker around, IMO.
I've used it for years, does everything I need.
I've got a list of great plug-ins, which makes it a dream to work with, the layout is great.
I give it 10/10
I don't use it for mastering, although. I do some parts of the mastering stages with it, through the plug-ins.
Dec 22, 2004 11:22 pm ok cool cause yeah I love audition too I am used to it I find it easy to understand and so forth I was just confused about people having say Cubase then they have wavelab and so on I was just wondering why?
cause audition is in the same catagory as wave lab and sound forge they are all audio editors is audition the only one that multitracks/sequence? if so THEN it would make sence to have a main sequencer and a audio editor cause its not included anywho thanks for the input Am I right tho is audition a one of a kind type program?
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Dec 22, 2004 11:50 pm Ya renagade, Audition is a fine multitracker MHO of course. I own Cubase SX. At the time of that purchase Cool Edit Pro did not accept as many plug-ins (effects, proccessors, etc.). Does Cubase do more than Audition? Yes, in this regard it is a 'higher end' program. It has extended midi features, It will produce written scores, etc. Is it a 'higher end' program in terms of the sonic quality as a multi tracker? I don't believe so. I use Cool Edit Pro 2.1 and the sonic quality of the resulting files seem comperable. Cubase does have a dithering routine built in that is probably a little better quality if you are dithering from 24 or 32 bit to 16 for printing to CD.
The multi-tracker it self is not that sophisticated in terms of a software program. Most multi-trackers are pretty comperable. The plug-ins: reverberation, effects, compressors, warmers, etc. are much more sophisticated. Some time back only Pro Tools sold to a clientel that would pay for the development of these higher end plug-ins. So obviously the developers made plug-ins to those specifications. Stienberg (Cubase) started moving into that market and there was an insurgance of develpement to VST or Stienberg compatable plugs. Now many other multi-trackers to include Audition (I think) will accept the higher end plugs.
If I were not using extensive midi and I didn't write scores, I would probably not buy Cubase today. If I were running a production studio and could command the prices to cover the overhead of the control surfaces that make production more efficient I would probably be looking to pro-tools.
Hope this helps make a little more sence out of the mess.
Dec 23, 2004 12:06 am OK im sorry i want to close this case as well Im sure you do as well one more question what kind of extended MIDI capabilities?
and im fairly new to cyber talk so what does IMO and MHO stand for?
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Dec 23, 2004 01:44 am Sonar, and prolly Cubase too, will record midi notes (if you are playing a keyboard per se), not just the audio. CEP and I'm pretty sure Audition won't. There may be automation available through midi commands as well, but I think CEP will also do some of that (never tried though, but it shows up in the daily tips thing).
IMHO = in my honest opinion
