Nov 22, 2004 12:00 pm that first punch he threw to the fan on the floor looked hard.
who knows what was going through his mind.
Might as well bring this up...
Posted on Nov 22, 2004 11:54 am
Jason H.
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Ron Artest Mele'.....thoughts?
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Nov 22, 2004 12:00 pm that first punch he threw to the fan on the floor looked hard.
who knows what was going through his mind.
Nov 22, 2004 12:24 pm The fan should be ejected and any season ticket he may have should be withdrawn for interfering with the event. Artest should be kicked out of the league and his contract voided. This isn't the first time he has had problems with mental stability.
These league officers have got to take a firm stand with fans and players in cases like this.
Nov 22, 2004 12:57 pm I had a similar incident believe it or not at my 7 on 7 passing league...Granted this touch football folks..I couldn't believe it because I don't believe in sh** like this...
I run a route and next thing I know my QB is on the ground near the sideline and some dude from the other team charges him and all hell broke loose...It was soooo similar ot the other night (minus the beer)...Meanwhile I am walking towards the dogpile watching it all like "You've got to be kidding me!!" Even one of the opposing players girlfriends was kicking one of our guys in the ribs while he was pinned down to the ground...then one of our guy shoved her out of the way, then of course...more started in cuz our guy touched a girl...It was ugly...really ugly...
In any case I agree with dB here...kick his *** out. Our QB was expelled from ANY...ANY St. Paul City run league...not just football...ANY LEAGUE period...and he has no past history such as Artest...he cant partake unless he talks with the board...I can't see why the NBA would want an Artest giving them a bad face other than the money factor created by the press...
Nov 22, 2004 12:58 pm I agree, Artest should be thrown out. NBA shouldn't stand for anything like that.
Nov 22, 2004 01:41 pm No professional sport league should tolerate this damn "I can do anything" attitude that athletes are displaying the last few years...
Nov 22, 2004 02:18 pm Ok... pretend I live under a rock...
now explain to me what the hell you guys are talking about.
Nov 22, 2004 02:25 pm A fan threw a plastic cup with ice in it at a basketball player, the player went into the stands and started wailing on the dude, other fans stpeed in, other players stepped in and now there are a bunch os suspensions and stuff...it was a total fiasco.
Nov 22, 2004 02:29 pm Best video of it I could find on the net is at www.collegehumor.com
Near the top, there is a link called "NBA Riot!"
Watch that video of ESPN highlights and you'll see the craziness that happened Friday night.
Nov 23, 2004 08:27 am Now the security guard that escorted Artest off the court says that he kept talking about having his "street cred" to consider.
Jeezuz, friggin grow up already...I hate stupid athletes...thankfully not all of them are...
Nov 23, 2004 09:05 am Street Cred? Was Artest talking about protecting his image?
Nov 23, 2004 09:08 am yeah, so his gangsta buddies would still have respect for him...or some stupid **** like that.
Nov 23, 2004 09:09 am I am so sick of the this culture that glorifies the lowest of humans with video games where you get points for raping people, gangsters become cultural heros and thug athletes being the idols of young kids...it's just really starting to piss me off.
Nov 23, 2004 09:38 am First of all his street cred is damaged...His lil punk *** saw Wallace coming at him what did he do??? Backed the f*** off...but when it came to the fan he had no problem going up there...cuz he was smaller...Wallace woulda pounded him in the wood floor like a 3" penny nail...
Misery Loves Company...
Controversial & Sex Sells...
Problem with the culture is that majority of parents are punks these days...Kids aren't given the fear factor anymore...The consequenses are minimal nowadays with weak parents and overblown child protection laws...
Most children are little cult objects and most parents think they are f***in heros...The reason I am bringing up children is because we get our morals from our early days...And these punk *** parents are letting the TV raise their child which is why we have this bad ***, tough guy, inseceure, me me me culture...
I have no problem with thugs, video games, street cred, or any of that sh**...Its the parents job to raise a human sufficient enough to tell right from wrong reality from fake...Sad but true...that doesn't happen as often anymore....
Nov 23, 2004 09:44 am I agree with MOST of your thoughts, but to say MOST parent are thugs is a bit harsh I think. Perhaps most thugs have thug parent would be more accurate.
As far as the fear factor goes, well, thanks to the left wing liberal BS, I could go to jail for simply swatting my kids butt if the wrong person saw me...I dunno about you guys, but I got smacked a few times when I was a kid and deserved every one of them...except one which I am still bitter aboot.
Nov 23, 2004 09:46 am There wasn't anybody "right" in that episode. It is some sick @#$%. Our's is a society that has chosen to be adolecent. Huge emphasis on "staying young", being "cool", Party, party, party. I don't need to sermonize the whole mess. Sufice to say the problem is deeply engrained.
Nov 23, 2004 10:53 am which one, db?
it pisses me off too. how about that kennedy assassination game just released?
i am tired of having violence and sex thrown at me every place i turn my head. boring, insulting. and not only that. anytime a commercial comes on i have to remind myself to look for the ways they're trying to bait me. i look for the hidden tricks and tactics. all commercials are insulting. asking me to buy your product is an insult. using sex to sell it reduces me to a mindless animal/consumer with no control, apparently, over the associations i make. even the "*wink wink, i know and you know this is a commercial, we're on the same side here*" ads are repulsive. basically, keeping me in your world of commerce without my consent is an attack on me. i hate commercials! hate them!
and violence...yesterday i was reminded again that one of the eternal dramatic moments in cinema is someone just simply aiming a gun at someone. and waiting, or firing, or not. the power of life and death via this one simple device. empowers the best AND the worst in us. the gun is just too convenient. it works too well. it carries within it its own built-in conflict. a gun, for better or for worse, is perfect drama.
damn this cold medicine i cant tell if im making any sense
Nov 23, 2004 11:42 am I believe I said most parents are punks...Meaning they punk out to their kids...The kids are put so high on a pedestal...(copyright sports and parent fights) that the kid could do no wrong...
I hope to god someone says something to me if I bust my kids *** in public...
I haven't been in fight since 95
Nov 23, 2004 11:50 am Oh, OK, I catch ya, yeah, it's weird...you really should need a license to be able to have a kid.
Nov 23, 2004 11:53 am Lono had some good comments about how the NBA board handed out 9 suspensions and 4 Vibe awards...
Nov 23, 2004 12:04 pm LOL...wonder what kind of test that would be dB.
Nov 23, 2004 12:04 pm Vibe awards is another thing...Jesus Christmas Trees
Nov 23, 2004 01:42 pm sportsillustrated.cnn.com...ex.html?cnn=yes
Now, he says that he doesn't deserve the suspension of the whole season. He should be gone forever in my book.
Nov 23, 2004 02:09 pm Let me preface this with saying I'm not a violent person (haven't been in a fight since '91 - 8th grade or so). Now I know I'm not an athlete in the limelight of public adoration, but if I'm in a bar and someone purposely throws a cup of beer in my face, bouncer be damned there's gonna be a fight. But, if I was making millions of dollars a year, I think I would be able to rein in such reactions so as not to jeopardize that.
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I hope to god someone says something to me if I bust my kids *** in public...
I'm with you Jason. I'm not a parent, but I think children need to be taught positive AND negative reinforcement, and from experience, nothing reinforces better than a well timed butt whoopin.
Nov 23, 2004 02:18 pm A bar and an arena are two different thing, you being a patron and you "being at work" are two different things, being around a few dozen/hundred people and in an arena with many thousand is a different thing. The arena has people to deal with fans like that.
Regarding butt-whoopin, well, I am a parent, and it SUCKS when it has to be done, but yes, sometimes it has to be. The big problem lies in the fact that some people carry "whoopin" entirely too far.
Nov 23, 2004 05:27 pm That is true dB....
And what I lacked in saying was I would get belted and I know it sucks dB, I feel that much...cuz I knew it sucked for my Dad...I knew it so because he did was come in later and talk with me why he has to do such and what frustrates him...Because it was more of teaching a lesson versus getting out aggression...
I am not a parent either but I try as hard as I can to pay attention and learn from others...When that day comes I want to be prepared best I can, even tho most of my preparation will not make any better than anyone else...I understand only the real world will...
And the disregard people have about butt whoopins is that most times they see it as going to far...I am not a violent person either...but every once in while it would be fun to whoop *** and deflate someone who lives in their own ego bubble...
Nov 23, 2004 06:13 pm who here doesnt believe in spanking?
do you think its ok for non-parents to have strong opinion about this or do you think there's no way they could ever understand?
Nov 23, 2004 06:19 pm I think everybody is entitled to an opinion. However, if you have an opinion without any experience to draw on, it should be weighed accordingly, while still being valid.
I believe with discipline, I do not believe in beating.
Nov 23, 2004 06:31 pm physical discipline has a long and established tradition. i can only remember what it was like being spanked for stupid things. it made me not like or trust my dad anymore, because it was a violation of a basic thing--my physical space. i dont think kids necessarily understand. to me the most important thing would be not to promote myself, as a parent, as 'the boss' but to coax, through cunning psychological tactics (all reasonable and humane) the right behavior out of the kid. there are many ways to do this, and i just think in the long run it'd be worth it to end up at the end of the line with a solid relationship with the people youre supposed to love. i think the corporal stuff can form early bad associations.
Nov 23, 2004 06:51 pm It's funny, I accepted being spanked as a child by both parents (divorced), because generally, I knew when I was in the wrong. However, my dad had a tendency to apologize afterwards which made me lose some respect for him and for the punishment. If you were in the right, why would you apologize.
Obviously beating a kid is wrong, but I think some form of corporal punishment can be useful. I think you do have explain to a kid what they did wrong, in order to deserve a spanking, and you have to be consistent. The goal is to mold behavior, and I think whuppings work when used reasonably. I mean, you don't want to be forever yelling and whupping your kid though.
Nov 23, 2004 07:26 pm i hear what you mean...there were times i was spanked when i knew i done wrong. i accepted in my way: i had to, though. what else can you do at 7 years old?
Nov 23, 2004 07:47 pm Raising children is an extreamly difficult job. That is probably one of the reasons that most parents choose to take other jobs and negate their responsibilities as parents. Sandy is a special ed teacher and per her findings at least 50% are PI, Parentaly Impaired. Most of the pshcyo-babble in print makes a warm and fuzzy little read but it is all superficial crap. "Don't smack the critter"; granted violance teaches violance but where is the root to the scenerio. Did mom get embarased in the grocery store and smack the critter per her embarasement? At the root, what do you need to give the child? The understanding that some actions will bring embarasment to him or her self and others. Dad gives junior a piece of candy to stop crying. Dad is busy. Junior learns that minipulation works. Dad doesn't do his job as a father. Often consiquences are difficult to bring about. Boundries are hard to enforce. As put above "punk out" or in my day "wimp out" happens. Maybe Dad never grew up. He may throw money at problems that he has no idea how to deal with. I have yet to see much in print that adaquately addresses the motivations of a seasoned parent.
My perspective is that it can not be combated. Mom mopes around the house claiming she could be happy if only she had a new SUV, but tells junior that candy won't solve his problem. Dad watches Gore and Death II on the tube and tells junior that square pants is violant. Dad is on the phone faking a sick voice to work and goes balistic when junior lies about breaking the dining room chair. Punishement is delt out per what junior did to "me" the adult; leaving the child in the parental position responsible for Mom or Dads well being.
And so the subsiquent crop of critters are a little more disfunctional than the last. Parents now less proficient at the task having less education in the art turn more of their responsibilities over to the state and complain that their actions are now restricted.
What went wrong? Daaaa
Nov 23, 2004 08:03 pm Walt,
As an educator and as a parent, I can say that you hit the nail right on the head. Whatever labels we like to put on kids these days, "PI" is usually the most approriate one.
Nov 24, 2004 02:31 pm I found basketball to be a very boring sport. But, the new version "BasketBrawl" looks pretty interesting.... I may have to tune in more often.
Nov 24, 2004 02:37 pm No way...jeezuz, I love the SPORT of basketball, played it for many years, even some after high school...it's a great sport, and a great workout, requires stamina and serious teamwork.
But, like Baseball and now Hockey the "professionals" turn it in to a fiasco based on money and marketing.
Shaq, for example, is not a "good BB player" perse, he is big and strong and pushed people around, if rules were actually inforced as they are written in the sport he wouldn't have ever made it pro, or not for long anyway. Look at someone like Kevin Garnett from the Wolves, now, there you have a smooth, savvy athlete that can actually play the game.
Professional sports kill the sport itself...
Nov 24, 2004 03:11 pm I don't know, as much as I loathe shaq, I think he's a better basketball player than many give him credit for (except for free throws).
Pro basketball is like a dumbed down version of basketball to me. So much one on one style play, where athleticism reigns over skill. Personally I've grown to be a much bigger fan of college ball. And basketball is a treat to play. I probably play 3 times a week when I'm healthy (I've got a severely sprained ankle right now - happens about once a year). But tempers flare if you're in the nba or you're playing on the playground. It's a physical game, there's gonna be fights. You just hope it never gets horribly out of control like in Detroit.
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