Way to trade music, without compatible programs?
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Posted on Nov 18, 2002 08:20 am
tonyd1970
The fat one always watches us.
Member Since: Nov 08, 2002
First- I've done other peoples music, here and elsewhere. What id like to do (in flamethebands case especially) is record everything but the vocals, then send it to him. Alas- the dreaded size of a wav file. so, if i record stuff, then convert it into mp3, and post it can someone else just get it and convert it back to wav and throw it into track 1 of whatever thier using? there by allowing him or her to do the rest of the work? is there a quicker way with less steps?
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Nov 18, 2002 08:33 am I would like to know a good way, cuz I would like HRC to facilitate some sort of collaboration system for several people to do their thing to a song or two. I just can't think of a good way to do it.
My thought is that the main writer, or the person that starts any given project acts as the "producer" makes a skeleton song, mixes it down to a typical stereo recording and trades that. People listen and add their stuff as a separate track and sends it back to the producer to add into the source and this keep going until it is done so the biggest file, the original multi-track source stays with the producer, all that is flitting around are the added tracks and such. That would make smaller downloads for people but would also decrease others input as the basic arrangement would remain unchanged except by the producer.
What would be cool is after 8-10 songs we could make and distribute an HRC CD :-)
Just a thought.
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Nov 18, 2002 08:45 am Hmmm, it still goes back to wav files. i dont think most programs can support mp3 as a track can they? maybe ill give it a shot tonight. i think i could swing a couple of hundred meg for that sole purpose-just an virtual ftp directory- but still, who wants to download a 50 meg 4 minute guitar part?
Nov 18, 2002 09:33 am have you concidered snail mail? not everyone has broadband capabilities for online filetransfers of that size, and mp3 is nearly out of the question. sure the mail it takes longer, but you have the option of burning your wav file (must go with wav for obvious compatibility reasons) to CD-R which are about 30 cents a piece and mailing the project to your partner. Me and some other guys around here near my home all invested in Iomega Zip100 or 250 drives so that we could share samples and stuff. I still have yet to get any colaborations off the ground, but all in due time. -j
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Nov 18, 2002 09:41 am Thats a good way for local stuff, but flametheband is in uk, i however am not. and im so flighty, id forget what the hell was happening by the time it got back to me! There must be a way! i know this internet thing is gonna catch on, its gonna be big- computers in every house! The world will seem small, but how can i easily collaborate with my home musician collegues??? i must know!
Nov 18, 2002 09:57 am Most decent apps can use MP3...at least any I have worked with. MP3 has become a pretty widely support standard.
el musicoFreeleance Producer/Engineer/GtrMember
Since: Aug 11, 2002
Nov 18, 2002 09:52 am remember, you can always download the wav file while you sleep. just start the download before beddy-bye or use getright or any download manager to schedule your d/l. in my opinion, my music is worth the time and effort spent on the transfer. my bandmates and i (yes i have a full band now, YEAH!) bounce ideas back and forth with an instant messenger program or if we aren't online at the same time i'll upload the tracks to our webspace and they can download it via FTP. if converting the mp3 to wav and back is a pain, then you can use Sonic Foundry Vegas Video (vegas video has everything vegas audio has and more) to mix mp3 and wav tracks. hope this helps.
of course you know but i need to say it incase anyone else doesn't: keep the master files in wav format for quality.
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Nov 18, 2002 09:59 am ill try to import one tonight and see if its usable. if so most of the problem is covered. but each person would have to master it well before sending it out again. theres where youre idea would come in-having a "producer" then the folks could use the base track- put thier stuff in, only save thier stuff to mp3 and send it back.
Nov 18, 2002 10:46 am no mastering. just tracks. try to avoid mixing anything down if your size restrictions allow. ideally, you would want to have all of the accepted tracks separate for the final mixdown.
another thing too, i know this thread was started concerning incompatible programs, but I've done some song file sharing online with FruityLoops's *.flp files. They only contain MIDI data so the file's is only a couple KB. I just zip that up with whatever wav samples (drum hits usually, they're small) and VST presets, and send 'em out. If anybody's wants to get a Fruity project started, I might be interrested. Particularly something along the lines of either industrial, synthpop, EBM, trance, hardhouse, rhythmic noise, or even something more experimental or a combination. my email's in my profile. I generally am terrible at sequencing, but I have an ear for making other peoples music sound better :O) -j
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 20, 2002 09:14 pm I used to DL and send wav file's in the midle of the night. Now with DSL I shoot whole multi track mixe's in short period's of time.
As far as efficient file transfer over the web. Those of us who use Sonar, or CakeWalk product's can save to a bundle file and send that as it is pretty small compared to a bunch of wav file's. Then the whole project is saved with all the setting's and midi setup's an all. I have turned many of my client's on to this as they hate wiating for a CD to come back and forth in the mail.
Nov 20, 2002 10:13 pm *.bun files rock! so are they really smaller or compressed or something? i never noticed. -j
Nov 21, 2002 05:19 am Real men use *.veg files :-)
File compression by any measure ALWAYS has a down side.
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Nov 23, 2002 09:03 am Well i put up an mp3 for flame, after i took out all my vocals. hes gonna try to import that and see how it works. other wise i gonna have to put up a 40 meg wav.
Nov 23, 2002 02:30 pm you wont regret using mp3 until you hear your mix on a 1000 watt stereo system and all the demons come out and make themselves known
Dec 04, 2002 01:17 am Another way to distribute your file would be to use a P2P program such as Kazaa or Morpheous.
Put the file in your "shared" folder and name the file using a specific alpha-numeric title then the other people looking for that file could search for that specific alpha-numeric file and download the full wav. file.
This works better than e-mail since most e-mail providers put limits on the file size you can send.
Using a P2P program has an advantage in that once the file has been shared with one collaborator, anyone else that you want to work on the file can download the latest version.YOU CONTROL WHO YOU GIVE THE FILE NAME TO.
Not a perfect solution but can make thing easier.
Dec 04, 2002 07:28 am Quote:
you wont regret using mp3 until you hear your mix on a 1000 watt stereo system and all the demons come out and make themselves known
Correction: You won't regret using mp3 until you hear it...yukky.
In regards to the p2p platform, I can't wait for all the security breaches and such to start being exploited in that platform...it's gonna happen...as far as "YOU CONTROL WHO YOU GIVE THE FILE NAME TO.", thats a farce, if you open your system up, you open your system up, period, it can have decent surface level security and such, but if it's open it WILL get hacked.
Dec 04, 2002 11:17 pm i know with kazaa you have the ability to search thru everything any individual user is sharing. this is a great way to find som ereal oddities. I once had the luck to stumble across some guy's fruityloops flp files! just some amaturish random bangs and bleeps with the packaged sounds, but it was still quite a surprise. all you do is select a user you've already made a transfer with, right click, and choose "find more from same user". it lists *everything* they're sharing! BE CAREFUL WHAT FOLDERS YOU DECLARE "SHARED" LOL
tonyd1970The fat one always watches us.Member
Since: Nov 08, 2002
Dec 05, 2002 06:58 am Hey, ive been super busy but.... on this thread. i mixed everything but vocal and made an mp3. sent that to flame-he imported it and did his vocals. he says its working ok. its tough cause once i was done with the music, its done. no changing. he should have the finished product soon and i hoping it comes out great. if not ill just have to go to england....
Dec 05, 2002 07:25 am Now the way I would do that is to get the mp3, use it to record the vocals, then take, JUST the vocal file and mail it back, them import the vocal track into tonyd's project over the orignal project. I hope that is the way it is being done...tony, it would give you a lot more freedom in the final mixdown.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Dec 07, 2002 03:02 pm ah, but with tony doing the mixing too, that makes nothing but a singer - we cant have that! As tony mentioned above, he's recorded a version on my song 'all gone' (there's a rough demo i the music section here) and then sent me the mp3 and i laid my vocal track over the top. even at mp3 the quality isnt noticably different - though i havent heard it on much more than my home stereo. im just mixing the album tony, btw, and ill send you a copy SOON (promise, though doing 6 day weks til xmas is screwing up my recording life nicely...)!
