Irritating occurance from Sonar,Cubase and Nuendo
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Posted on Jun 06, 2004 11:03 pm
phrygian
Member Since: May 24, 2004
I have a problem and I am not sure as to where it comes from. I get a LOUD popping noise at the beginning of my digital audio recordings from within any of the three recording systems I use. I primarily use Sonar Producer 3.1 but also have Cubase SX AND Nuendo (yes I know ..I know.why spend so much money? Income tax returns are a wonderful thing to blow money on eh?) so I know this occurance is not from these particular recording platforms. I use M-Audio FW410 for a soundcard. I enter the soundcard via a 14 channel mixing console. I hope someone can help because it pushes the meters way into the red at the beginning of my progect, thus disabling useful metering of proper audio peaks.
Thanks for your help up front.
Regards,
Phrygian
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HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Jun 07, 2004 02:45 am I've been waiting for an answer to this one myself phrygian, I am a total newbie to the computer-end of the recording/writing process, and after recently building a little computer to get things rolling, have run into the same 'interesting' delema . I just figured it would disappear, when I upgraded the soundcard ?... Hmmm... I think it has something to do with what these guys call 'latency', or maybe the...'buffers', in the set-up, or maybe a low RAM ? It let's me upload from disk, which has kept me busy archiving . Man, I am dumb when it comes to this, but I'm learning more with every visit to HRC ! Sorry this wasn't a helpfull reply . :-(
Jun 07, 2004 04:37 am The first thing I always suggest in the situations like this is upgrading the drivers, make damn sure you have the latest drivers for your sound device, and maybe look thru any "known issues" doc that comes with the drivers. There are occassionally specific issues that are known with specific hardware. If not, perhaps drop customer support a quick email and ask if there is a known issue.
If you have messed with buffer settings or anything to imrove latency that could possibly do it as well.
MauzgrrrrrrrMember
Since: Mar 29, 2004
Jun 07, 2004 08:12 am This happened to me with cool edit when I fiddled with the default settings. I just put 'clear default' and this problem ceased to happen and luckily has not returned.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Jun 07, 2004 08:22 am i dont know any home-recorder who doesnt love tweaking stuff...
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Jun 07, 2004 07:23 pm Yeah, I figured I had brought this on myself. lol
Thanks guys !
Jun 07, 2004 08:29 pm Hmmmm,
well I have not changed my settings or my drivers, and I do have the latest M-Audio drivers for the FW410....I dont imagine it is these things as it also happens when I export any project to a single stereo file and open in Sound Forge 7.0. When I start the project playing "POP" there it is...If I put a little dead space at the beggining of the file or slip edit the beginning of the project just a bit within Sonar, there is no click. It actually shows some visible audio waveform in SF 7.0 that is obviously the click/pop I am getting.
Where does it come from?
Thanks for responding,
Phrygian
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 07, 2004 10:47 pm phrygian, what is probly happening is you are digitally clipping during mixdown. You will want to try turning the entire mix down anywhere from 4 to 15dB. This problem is caused by the fact that when you mix down it actually in simple terms piles all the audio up and this makes it much louder then what you are hearing as you mix live. It might all look good on the meters while you are running the mix in the DAW, but as soon as you hit the mixdown stereo file it piles it all together and inherantly gets louder.
There are 2 ways to do this, 1 is to turn down the master out buss. The other is to gang all channels together and bring the entire mix down evenly. I prefer using the master buss to do this so as not to mess with the initial fader settings in your DAW.
Let me know if I need to go into more detail or if this helps.
Jun 08, 2004 02:39 am No I understand where you are comming from Noize, however as I am never one to make my point in an accurate fashion I will try to be a bit more clear.
The POP I refer to is at the very beginning of the mixdown only. Just one quick,loud,mercilessly un-nerving,POP.....or more like (with headphones on)
ker-POP!....
(loud)
anyway...Can this happen just at the start of the mixdown using your theory?
Regards,
Phrygian
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Jun 08, 2004 12:22 pm I would suggest removing the mixer and seeing if it still records the pop.. I know what you're talking about... but I've never gotten it there... Also just have the sound card record a track with nothing in it and etc to see where the pop origionates. It could be the drivers, or the soudcard hardware, or the addition of the console. plus make sure that all your songs begin and end with no volume... but it sounds like a power related issue to me.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 08, 2004 09:43 pm That is really odd that it is only at the beggining. Does the waveform max out all the way through the recording when you view it in SF or is it in the normal range?
I guess it doesnt hurt to try mixing one down at a lower level and see what happens. Stupid question, but are you mising it down in real time routing it out through your interface and then back into it again?
Jun 08, 2004 10:39 pm Maybe it's some kind of internal program conflict due to your three softwares all sharing the same resources/soundcard/interface. I dunno. I'm actually pretty horrible with the inner workings of computers (I can't even get my ram upgrade to work!) but it kinda makes sense to me
Maybe db can validate/invalidate this
Jun 09, 2004 03:55 am Well there sure are a bunch of new possabilities offered here and I will begin the "process of elimination" work that this situation requires.
Answers to Noize2u, the rest of the waveform is absolutely fine and of acceptable and expected levels, based on settings of console view setup before mixdown and export. As for the real time question, I believe I am ..I mix the project as best as I can, the click on file|export|audion and away we go...then I open up the resulting wave in SF and Voila...POP at the beginning.
And Mike..The other two progs, (Nuendo ect) are never running at the same time. As a matter of fact I have not opened either for some time now...should I uninstall just to be safe?
zekthedeadcow..that is a posability for sure I imagine this will be the very last resort though as I rely very heavily on this equipment as a method of instrument and vocal input.
Thank you all very kindly for your valued assistance.
Kind Regards,
Phrygian
