Feb 16, 2004 10:02 pm 4 beat length 12 bar length.
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Fruityloops time signature
Posted on Feb 16, 2004 08:25 pm
AndrewB
Member Since: Feb 11, 2003
HI everyone,
THis may have been covered, but how do you set 3/4 time in Fruityloops? Is it 12 bar length and 3 beat length?
Thanks
Andrew
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Feb 17, 2004 12:23 am yeah the easiest way is to goto F11 and make the pattern 12 "steps" long, whatever that means. but the again, i almost never work in the correct tempo etc. i'm often using 24 or 32 steps. sorry, i don't speak musicese :O)
Feb 17, 2004 12:38 pm the best advice for working with time signature is to dump fruity and go to Project5 from Cakewalk :-)
Feb 17, 2004 12:57 pm (db i assume project5 can use your OWN wav samples for drums, right?)
Feb 17, 2004 01:03 pm yup, you can build all your own kits, and have far greater control over not only the sample itself, but each individual beat, which I think rocks...plus, it works with any VSTi supporting app as any MIDI track, which makes editing and such easier to work with. When I used Fruity I would have to program the beat, export it to wave, import it into my multitracking app, if I wanted to edit it in any way, go back to fruity, edit, export again and import again...back and forth and back and forth.
As I understand it, Fruity now works as a virtual instrument as well, but it never did when I was using it, or at least not with the apps I was using.
While I still think fruity is a VERY cool app, I have found P5 to be much more convenient and the control over the sounds are much more granular, which rocks. But it is hella expensive...ya get what ya pay for though...P5 is more than just a drum machine though, it is a collection of softsynths than are pretty mind blowing as well.
Check it out at MF service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear they pack a lot of punch into that app.
Feb 17, 2004 01:35 pm Hmmmm,
I have FL Studio and it works very well as a VSTi, has lots of softsynth generators and will use any wav sound you want.
Sounds like it's been a while since you've used it.
Blessings, Terry
Feb 17, 2004 01:39 pm yeah, it has been a while. Like I said, I knew that FL has gained support as a VSTi, it supposedly had it when I used it, it just never worked, and has always allowed (well while I used it) one to use their own samples, and it was always a softsynth. My point was well beyond that in regards to the very granular control not only from sample to sample, but note to note, very easily that puts P5 head and shoulders over FL. Which it is.
And no, I have not used FL since the day I installed P5 and have never nor will I ever regret it. FL is very cool, but P5 is by far the superior app. but then, for 4 times the money it better be. :-D
Feb 17, 2004 01:48 pm Please discribe what you mean by "granular control". That term doesn't compute.
Thanks, Terry
Feb 17, 2004 01:54 pm It means you can easily control every nuance of the sound of each particular beat, volume, velocity, duration, timing and more. Fruity does have some effects and such to add to each sample and that sort of thing, but not as low level as you can do with P5 via it's sequencer of choice, be it Sonar, Cubase or whatever. Which, as a VSTi, it may be able to do, I dunno. But natively in it's application, it can't...or couldn't.
This helps make it less "perfect"such as different strength beats from hit to hit, creating longer or shorter decay tails, beats that are milliseconds out of time and other things that give it more a more imperfect, human quality. Which fruity, last I checked could not do...or at least not quickly and easily...and the beats are always right on time, which is the nature of the fruity interface ebing just beat buttons, whereas with MIDI control you can shuffle them around.
Regardless, I am not about to spend time discussing the merits of one app over the other, cuz it's really not productive, I dumped FL cuz at the time P5 was 10 times what FL could ever hope to be, so with FL upgrades, it may be only 5 times better. :-D
Ultimately it boils down to whatever works for you. For me, FL didn't cut it...tho it is a great app for some.
Feb 17, 2004 05:42 pm So the answer to 3/4 time is ........?
By the way, there is a shuffle slider in FL that must move the timing slightly, but it applies it to the whole pattern or song. As dB stated you can't go and fiddle with individual beats or notes. For me that's a good thing, I'm not much of a programmer - too impatient!
Thanks everyone
Andrew
Feb 17, 2004 05:46 pm Quote:
Andrew: As dB stated you can't go and fiddle with individual beats or notes.
right click the channel button and send the notes to the piano roll. from there you can freely scoot a note forward or backward in time by setting your Snap to "tick". Also there's a button in the top right of the piano roll that lets you zoom into the piano roll and see what you're working on. you can also double click on any note and punch in your numbers there, but I never do it that way.
Feb 17, 2004 06:13 pm interesting, thanks for the info Jamie, not that I will ever use it, but it's always good to know.
Feb 18, 2004 08:32 am Wait a minute, are you guys forgetting about the graph editor?
On the top right hand of the step sequencer there is a little graph icon that when clicked opens the graph editor. In the graph editor you can adjust pan, velocity, filter cut, filter res, pitch and shift for each beat. If you use the shift function you can set the start of the note anywhere within it's slot. Very easy to use, IMO.
Funny thing is, I originally purchased FL on a recomendation from this BBS. Not sure who it was exactly but I know it was here. Funny how things change over time. :D
Blessings, Terry
Feb 18, 2004 08:36 am Actually, I have forgotten a lot about fruity from lack of use, Jamie corrected me on some of it last night. I have recommended FL a lot in the past, and I still will in many situations, as I have continued to say, it IS a great program. But after discovering P5 I just personally find it quicker, easier and more powerful.
Yeah, tastes and personal choices always change. Heck a few years ago I would cringe at the thought of making music on a ::gasp:: COMPUTER!
Feb 18, 2004 10:23 am still4given, right you are. that's what i like about Fruity is there's like several diff ways to do things. there's also the lower graph part at the bottom of the piano roll which does all of those thigns as well. For me, the #1 bonus of using Fruity is that is supports all of the VST effects and instruments i've been collecting over the years. But we're not discussing the merits of one program over another ;O) It's all a matter of personal taste, but for anyone producing hip hop or dance music I wholly recommend Fruity. Some people would preffer Reason, other's Orion. I've tried both of those apps and they're not my cup of sequencers.
Feb 18, 2004 10:29 am Yeah, Reason and Orion have never made much sense to me personally, Fruity is great for loop and beat making, tough to "beat" (yeah, lousy pun, whatever, shut up:-). And apprarntly the last couple versions of Fruity has made big strides in some areas that were the very reasons I stopped using it. Very interesting, thanks for clearing it up for me guys. Thats what's cool about a forum...
Feb 18, 2004 08:58 pm And just to add to what dB was saying. P5 is not only for using the synths and such, but it goes way deeper, into the loop creation, editing, and sequancing as well. It has ten time the power and tool of Fruity, but again it is for a much bigger audiance. It has most of the capabilites of a DAW save for a few but really is based around loop creation and editing. And the samplers are tops for drum synths and whatever it is you might want to do. Not knocking Fuity but P5 simply put is at the top of the heap right now as far as those type tool go.
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