Aliens vs. Predator

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Aliens fans..

they're finally gonna do it.

No joke this time:
www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/

::having trouble breathing::

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Nov 04, 2003 01:35 am

w00t

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Nov 04, 2003 07:14 am

shame it's being directed by the guy that did Residant Evil...


...cos that was a good film

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Nov 04, 2003 07:53 am

Now that's just cool!
But damn, could they show any less footage in their trailer? I don't think so.

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Nov 04, 2003 08:15 am

probably because the movie is gonna be soooooooo bad *** they didnt want to show any of it in the trailer. no ripley clones? WTF???

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Nov 04, 2003 08:53 am

It's like the first Matrix: Reloaded trailer they had... it was a slo-mo shot of Keanu doing a backflip and firing an automatic weapon... and that's it. "Um, more visuals, please."

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Nov 04, 2003 09:56 am

they havn't bgeun to shoot yet. that's why all the footage in the trailer are just bits and scenes from the other 6 movies.

i just watched the sneak preview thing this morning and realized they're *NOT* following the orginal Dark Horse Comics story... it's something else to do with how the Predators have a rite of passage here on earth every 1000 years, they stick a bunch of teenage presdators here with a bunch of aliens and see who wins. somethig to do with how the Aztec civilization was started and something to so with Antarctica.

looks like another bomb.... ::disappointed aready::

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Nov 04, 2003 12:24 pm

I still want to see it... :) I'm just a big 'ole indiscriminate scfi head, really. Not to be confused with the Big Giant Head from 3rd Rock. hahaha, thanks, I'm here all night. Don't forget to tip the wait staff...

fave movies in the scifi genre:
5th Element
Matrix
Gattaca
The Thing (contemporary version)
Total Recall
The War of the Worlds
Men in Black 1 and NOT 2

worst frickin' movie of all time, any genre:
Making Contact

Howz about you guys?


*updated* Geez, how could I forget Star Wars? oops. Another fave, all of them.
*updated again* Yes, even the one with that stupid Jar Jar Binks

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Nov 04, 2003 03:17 pm

5th element is the shizzle. i have the tattoo on my wrist.. i know that makes me gay or whatever but the story line isnt far off from how i think humans were created in the first place. plus my dad re modled bruce willis's parents basement around the time when the movie came out so i was all into it (yeah... 8th grade) but the tattoo still is neato. anyway... the day the earth stood still is cool. star wars of course. everything.. everything made after star wars was competing with it so id say that reigns. but then again the star wars story is based off the ole tolken method.... so i dont know. im gonna go sit down.

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Nov 04, 2003 08:07 pm

how did the fifth element say humans were created?


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Nov 05, 2003 01:19 am

i think it suggested an ET relationship to the pyramids, which doesn't nessarily show we were seeded or engineered by ETs, it at least reinforces that theory in some unspoken way.

then again, .... i don't remember much about the movie, so call me wrong ;O)

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Nov 05, 2003 01:37 pm

I'm not much of a sci fi head, but I like Fifth Element, and Stargate, though the Stargate TV show is awful.

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Nov 05, 2003 01:38 pm

My wife is way more in to SciFi than me, but I did like the recent TV show "The Dead Zone" I dunno what happened to it though...

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Nov 05, 2003 05:29 pm

i dig sci-fi novels, especially great ones that finally make it to the screen. dan simmons and robert charles wilson are the bomb. i can't wait for Hyperion to get made. it'll be an instant classic. hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy--that needs to be made as well, if you want to call it sci-fi. i'm looking forward to crichton's timeline this november. it won't be as 'good' as the book was--i can tell they're going to skimp on a lot of the really cool science in the film version. the cast looks awful, too.


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Nov 06, 2003 06:49 pm

i dont care what anyone says, i loved matrix three.

looking back, though, matrix two wasn't as good as i first thought it was. the only cool thing about it were the ideas.

but yeah. anyone see 3 yet?


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Nov 06, 2003 08:50 pm

No, I just saw Matrix 2 the other night... can't wait to see 3, but it'll probably be after it comes out on dvd. I was disappointed in 2 as well, but man, that love scene between neo and trinity towards the beginning - that made the movie, that and the wild dancing orgy scene. Wow.
I read a lot of scifi novels too... Larry Niven is my favorite so far, and I'm getting mighty sick of Heinlein, the more I read him. :)

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Nov 07, 2003 12:15 am

may i kindly suggest dan simmons' hyperion and the fall of hyperion if you like sci fi? i first read them when i was 16 and every time i go back to them i am just so impressed. what could be better than a mysterious, silent, murderous, black-armored, 13 foot tall, spiked creature from the far future that roams the worldweb claiming its own human sacrifices, stopping time at will (thus seeming to appear out of nowhere), and inspiring a cult of worshippers (the shrike cult)? add to that a girl who contracts an anti-entropic sickness which causes her to age backwards, a burgeoning war with a different offshoot of homo sapiens which lives in the oort cloud beyond the solar system, john keats the poet resurrected, a network of farcaster portals connecting every planet in the web to every other, an all-powerful AI intelligence intimately entwined with human society and at war with itself, and a corrupt catholic church that has discovered the key to true physical immortality at a very hefty price?

man, i need to read these again.

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Nov 07, 2003 08:03 am

I will definitely check those out! That sounds very cool. Right now I'm reading through the "greats" of the scifi genre... There are a couple of lists on the net of what are considered the best scifi books ever written. I'm working my way through slowly but surely.

Here's one list
www.nvcc.edu/home/ataormi...stsfpre1990.htm

and another
www.ku.edu/~sfcenter/sflib.htm

I highly recommend Larry Niven's Ringworld and The Ringworld Engineers. I found the last book, The Ringworld Throne, to be pretty dull, but the first one is one of the best books I've ever read, and the 2nd no slouch either. Anyone into scifi should read this book - it's amazing.

Here's a review and plot synopsis:
www.sfreviews.com/docs/La...0_Ringworld.htm

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Nov 07, 2003 05:26 pm

ah nice, they included hyperion on the list!

can you tell me why you like ringworld? i dont know too much about it and that synopsis didnt tell me what the story is about.

this other dude, robert charles wilson, is worth checking out. he has great ideas but writes very simple books mostly about the characters caught up in the plots. 'the chronoliths' was a great book. it's about large towers/monuments that start suddenly appearing in the middle of cities, obliterating them violently. they carry engravings on them commemorating a battle fought 16 years in the future. someone in the near future is conquering the world, and his name is Kuin. and the crazy thing is that a cult starts to develop in the present, a cult that worships this future warlord, and which grows and grows and grows...for 16 years. until...

did you ever hear of the ouroborous? the mythical snake that eats its own tail?

another cool one by wilson is blind lake. that one's about an interferometry telescope designed to seek out extrasolar planets and find out about thier atmospheres. it operates from out near jupiter orbit. but its signal starts to degrade, and the scope is coded too deeply to be able to be fixed by programmers, so a new, barely-understood quantum computer is employed to 'breed solutions' for how to increase the signal output-to-noise ratio as the scope fails. but then the scope fails altogether. and the quantum computer not only keeps receiving the signal from the dead scope, but is now able to resolve, somehow, individual aliens on the alien world, and can follow them closely throughout their day. without a scope. meanwhile, a little girl living in the military compound that houses the computer on earth begins to be haunted her own reflections--the reflections' eyes carry a piercing depth that's not her own. 'mirror girl' asks the girl constant questions about the world such as 'why do the leaves change color.'

best idea i've seen in a long time in sci fi. mang, i'm sorry. it feels like i'm writing blurbs for book jackets, but these are some of my favorite current books so i thought i'd spread the word.

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Nov 08, 2003 05:40 am

I like Ringworld because I've always found descriptions of alien cultures to be fascinating, and because it's an adventure story as well. 3 different races - puppeteers, humans, and kzinti - have to overcome their differences to explore the Ringworld. There are really interesting insights into alien psychology and how the different mindsets work together. The puppeteers are a an incredibly advanced race of herd animals, herbivores, and they are known as the ultimate cowards. Their leader is called The Hindmost, or He-who-leads-from-behind, and they employ other races to serve as bodyguards/henchmen because of their cowardice. The kzinti are a race of roughly 8 foot tall killing machines - they look like giant tigers/tabby cats that are hyper-aggressive are totally war-like. And then there are the humans, but one of them is a different type of human - a lucky one. That's significant in the book, but I won't explain why because it would be a spoiler. :)
Ok now, it's the weekend, so it's time for me to stop typing and start recording... hahaha I will definitely check out those books, they sound fascinating!

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Nov 10, 2003 03:25 pm

Fortymile, I thought of one other absolute must-read - "Fire Upon the Deep" by Vernor Vinge. That book alone rekindled my childhood interest in science fiction. On its surface it is a story of a human explorer/anothropological team crashlanding on an alien planet. The aliens are an amazing creation, pack-minds. Each alien individual is actually 4-7 bodies that think as one. There's a scene where one alien is wounded (one of its members dies) in the middle of a battlefield and has to make its way out... it encounters an orphaned singleton, another victim of war, and they become one as the creature(s) emerge from the battle. There's a sub-plot where an aspiring alien military leader and political scientist attempts breeding packs in a somewhat disturbing parallel to eugenics/nazi breeding programs. The culture, wars, and customs ascribed to the wolfpack-like aliens make for a fascinating read. They are a primitive, virgin planet, in a universe governed by changing laws of physics that govern the maximum complexity of organized information. In the Slow Zones, medieval technology prevails, and in the Beyond and Transcend Zones, the universe is ruled by vast, godlike artificial intelligences with abilities beyond comprehension. The book won a Hugo award, and is an amazing read.

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Nov 10, 2003 03:32 pm

ok man, i'll definitely read that. that sounds interesting. i'm working on something right now that deals with complexity so i'm drawn to any fiction of that sort. and a story i wrote for school used creatures that had pack mind-tendencies. i might like this guy.

vernor vinge though? i've NEVER heard of that guy. is this book still in print? was it a very old book? i'll check amazon and the bookstore.


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Nov 10, 2003 03:42 pm

There's a used copy going for cheap on eBay:

search.ebay.com/search/se...e+upon+the+deep

It's the top listing as of, well, now...

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Nov 10, 2003 03:49 pm

i read a cool Vernor Vinge book years ago, Marooned in Realtime, it was about these "baubles" which were like these big impervious spheres that you could encase things in and everything inside would freeze in time for a pre specified amount of time, sort of a one way time travel. They are indestructable and one of the stories in the book was how on bauble got stuck below miles of magma after millions of years, so they had the people had to hurry and set of nukes to cause the bauble to rise up before the people emerged or they would have died instantly. Set in the far far future (because of this one way time travel) and even a little bit of extra terrestrial stuff going on at the end. pretty cool read.

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Nov 10, 2003 03:55 pm

Jamie, I have that book! hahaha I didn't even know that was Vinge - haven't read that one in a long time. I ought to dig that one out, you're right, that was a great read. The bubbles actually become a way for people to time-travel to the future - put yourself in a stasis bubble and it pops at a specified future time. In the book there is a major societal change that occurs as large portions of mankind sequester themselves away, journeying to the future. The ones that stay realtime advance technologically. There's a cool/creepy subplot I recall about an assassination plot where someone gets caught outside their community when their bubble reforms, and is forced to live stone-age style for 40 years in a harsh wilderness with no tools/technology, just outside the stasis bubble wall.

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Nov 10, 2003 03:59 pm

i have Hyperion laying around here somewhere.... never really picked it up.

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Nov 10, 2003 04:00 pm

oh yeah, where they leave that woman out there.

shh! you'll spoil it for ppl who want to read! :O)

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Nov 10, 2003 04:08 pm

Man I'm going to go buy Hyperion right now... my $10 Barnes Noble free gift card came to me at work today, finally.... I answered a survey about phone headsets and get $10 fer nuthin'
hehehehehe stickin' it to the man...
well, y'know, kinda...
well, not really I guess...

heh

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Nov 10, 2003 09:59 pm

the stasis bubble is a cool idea. i'm gonna read some of this guy soon. got some stuff to get through first though.

hyperion caution: the first book is almost like a prelude to the real meat of the story, which occurs in the fall of hyperion. hyperion is patterned after the canterbury tales: 9 people on a pilgrimage to the shrike tombs, where they will ask this murderous creature to grant a request. each person has a really good reason for going. there's nine stories in there, and they dont start resolving until the second book. i read the second book first, because i didnt know it was part of a trilogy until i got it home (actually the hyperion saga is a four book series but i have some issues with 3 and 4). so 'hyperion' is the backstory. 'fall of' isn't, so it doesn't follow the pattern of the canterbury tales, and is generally more exciting. 'fall of' has the john keats cybrid (the actual poet keats in some new form) as a first person narrator who dreams what's happening to the pilgrims and reports to the hegemony president--while a three-pronged war unfolds, if i remember correctly. anyway, my point is: buy two if you find you can't get through one, and start there.

there are so many stories and subplots in these books that i still haven't grasped the full extent of the theme. i have to read them again.

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Nov 14, 2003 08:50 am

I'm about a 1/3 of the way through Hyperion - just wanted to say thanks for the recommendation, that's a great book. I freakin' love the description of the treeship, btw, what an amazing concept. And that whole "...of the cruciform" thing - WHOA. (shaking head)


I watched "The Thing" again last night.... (shivers) Man, that is a phenomonal movie. They oughta do a sequal. Was playing the pc game based on the show until the other night when my damn pc crashed, lost my game and have to start over. Anybody seen that movie? You should...

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Nov 14, 2003 02:00 pm

yes@! way to go! after ten years of recommending this book to people, someone else has finally discovered its magic! thanks, tin. dont forget to real 'fall of hyperion'--its even better.

i will have to watch the thing. as i have never seen it.

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Nov 14, 2003 02:07 pm

Must see the Thing. MUST see the Thing! (the 1982 version by John Carpenter - not the 50's version of same name)

www.rottentomatoes.com/m/...21244/about.php

It will make your skin crawl...

They also made a really killer 1st person shooter style pc game out of it. Captured the feel of the movie perfectly. I can't say enough about the game or the movie.

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Nov 14, 2003 10:24 pm

wow,

vernor vinge is like some kind of SF visionary apparently. i stumbled across his books today at barnes and noble...

the novels looks good, (except for the horrible cover art) but there was one book in particular that looked great. apparently he wrote a short story called 'true names' in 1979 which preceded neuromancer in terms of predicting the emergence of cyberspace. so i guess he's right up there with gibson as a visionary. the short story was included with a book of essays from famous scientists and AI people, all of which revolved around his story and spoke about the many things he 'got right' and why it was such a revolutionary story. they also talk about 'the singularity' and all that lies on the technological horizon. guess i'll have to read that.

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Nov 19, 2003 08:56 am

Hey fortymile, I finished Hyperion today! Great book. The end left me a little high and dry though, I was hoping they'd meet the Shrike before the next novel. Guess I'll just have to check out Hyperion's End... oh, poor me. :)
Thanks for the recommendation!

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Nov 19, 2003 01:52 pm

the fall of hyperion, it's called. it's far superior. most critics criticize book one; but i've always been a fan of the canterbury tales so i kind of like the structure.

what was your favorite element?

i'm reading blood music by greg bear right now, and really diggin' it.




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Nov 19, 2003 01:54 pm

I'm a fan of Canterbury Downs, the horse track down the road from me a couple miles...know nothing of the tales...

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Nov 19, 2003 01:58 pm

I'd say my favorite part of the book was when they were actually in the treeship, describing the surroundings and goings-on. I found it fascinating. My favorite individual's story would have to be the scholar and his daughter. Although I found the science questionable it didn't detract from the storyline... actually I thought it was the most touching and emotionally charged section. Watching his daughter regress from an adult into a teen, then a child, then a baby, was handled superbly. I felt his pain.

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Nov 19, 2003 06:25 pm

yes thats one of my favorite stories too. did this book have the story of hoyt and the cruciform, though? cause that's my favorite overall story.

db, the canterbury tales is by chaucer. the film 'a knight's tale' has paul bettany playing chaucer, and that dude saves the movie. great actor, great character. but the canterbury tales is kind of funny in itself. i remember one 'scene' where a peeping tom is watching the girl he adores having sex with someone in a house and she comes to the window and discovers him and he asks for just one kiss...and she agrees and he kisses her. but it's dark. and he finds out that he just kissed her naked arse.

oddly, this disturbs him greatly and he suffers some weird moral dilemma.


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Nov 23, 2003 11:44 pm

blood music by greg bear.

i just finished it, and also prey by crichton. both deal with nanotechnology. blood music was pretty darn good. it used a lot of ideas that i had come up with in the week before, in trying to plot out a story. i found that infuriating. but done so well!



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Nov 24, 2003 10:23 am

Yeah, I just checked out Blood Music from the library and finished it... looked up the synopsis of it after that post and thought it sounded good. It was very cool, I loved the twist that Bear added with the fabric of reality being altered by being observed to such a great extent, very unexpected and original, I thought. Haven't read Prey. I'm going to start checking out this series called "Rocheworld" by Robert Forward. I read "Flight of the Dragonfly" a while back and loved it, the alien species flouwen are really interesting. They're intelligent blobs that live underwater. They have no toolmaking capability, but can change the shape of their bodies and condense from a jelly into a solid to speed their rate of thought. Although they have no practical science, their minds are the equivalent of computers in the area of mathematics. The aliens themselves are playful and friendly, and make you think of how dolphins might be if they could actually speak English.

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Nov 24, 2003 10:26 am

oh, not to mention the nanotech "xmas tree-bush" robot device in the book would be a crime... Forward has this amazing concept for a nanotech bot that forms colony-like into preprogrammed shapes, one of which is a xmas tree type of thing. The planet that the flouwen are on is a double planet, two large planets locked in orbit. This configuration causes an interesting (read: astonishing) tidal effect.... I'll say no more... :)

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Nov 24, 2003 12:06 pm

i read prey this past week too. my opinion's vague. i read it concurrently with blood music, and found blood music to be more inventive but less scientifically legit. (i didn't mind that though, because the extrapolations came straight out of science, so i just suspended my disbelief willingly.) prey was an easier story to buy, and like most crichton books, it was easy to visualize as a movie, with built-in special effects scenes just begging to put up on the screen. i guess i liked it.

i read the first rocheworld book when i was 16 and remember being fascinated by the tides on the planet, and by the christmas bush. i recall very little, except that i liked it.


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Jan 09, 2004 06:53 pm

good news!

today, dan simmon's new sci fi epic Ilium was optioned by some hollywood players! and it looks like dan is writing the screenplay.

from variety:

"Visual effects facility Digital Domain and Barnet Bain Films ("What Dreams May Come") have optioned author Dan Simmons' sci-fi novel "Ilium" and its sequel, "Olympos," to adapt into a feature film.

"Ilium," published in July by the Eos imprint of HarperCollins, is another epic sci-fi tale that spans 5,000 years and sweeps across the entire solar system, including themes and characters from Homer's "The Iliad" and Shakespeare's "The Tempest."


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Jan 11, 2004 06:10 am

I just finished Timeline Wednesday. I'm impressed. I was glued to the pages for two days straight adn couldn't put it down. I was dreaming about the friggin 14th century loL! Reading it was like seeing an old friend, having read Congo and Sphere years ago, and Jurassic Park before that. I'm sure the Timeline motion picture will be crap, but i think i'll check it out anyways.

ANyone seen/read this one?

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Jan 11, 2004 12:33 pm

hi jamie.

the movie was a gutting of the book. it was the most worthless movie i've seen in years. they changed things, wrecked it, got some science wrong, wrecked it, miscast it, wrecked it, and basically turned it into a scooby-doo episode. it has none of the good stuff from the book.

the book was a good read though, i thought. and you do zip through it in just a few sittings.

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Jan 11, 2004 06:38 pm

LOL scooby doo! sounds fun. But maybe i'll just skip it. I saw Prey in the books section at the grocery store the other day. Should I pick it up?

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Jan 11, 2004 09:07 pm

But the original start of this post still sounds pretty kool. I love hooky sci-fi and aliens vs predetor still soudns pretty kool.

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Jan 12, 2004 12:12 am

yeah, i'll definitely see the alien vs predator movie.

prey was also a quick read. i zipped through that in two days. has some interesting stuff, is probably worth it, but is not one of his best books. i liked bear's blood music far better.

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Jan 12, 2004 08:23 am

hmmm... I don't think I've read anything by Crichton... I was under the impression that he mostly did medical drama. Not true?

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Jan 12, 2004 07:30 pm

are you serious tin? he did jurassic park and a lot of other varied stuff. he runs the gamut. he's considered a very basic genre writer, but i have to admit, i always breeze through his books, dont want to put them down, so he's appealing to my inner armchair scientist in a good way.


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Jan 12, 2004 10:38 pm

yeah Jurassic Park and the TV series ER are Crichton's claim to fame, but he even writes some non-fiction i understand.

thanks, forty. since i can't find where Hyperion is packed away I think I'll pick up Prey next time I'm out.

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Jan 13, 2004 07:39 am

oh, I didn't know he wrote those. Yeah, I've seen Jurassic Park and ER. :)
Yeah, Blood Music was a great read, very interesting. Right now I'm working through "The World of Tiers" by Philip Jose Farmer, and "Mothership" by Tony Chandler. Funny how I got interested in Mothership - there was a sample chapter online on this ebooks site, I ended up reading it out of boredom one day. Months later, I can't stop thinking about this climactic intro, and wanted to read the rest, but it's a $15 novel - which is about twice as much as what I'll pay for a book from some guy I've never heard of. I ended up buying the ebook for about $7 online and am reading it on my lunch breaks at work. It's pretty good, not great - worth $7 but not $15, hahaha. fyi, fictionwise dot com is the site... I got interested in ebooks when I realized that I could purchase short stories for about $.35-60... I really wanted to read Ellison's "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" again, but couldn't find the right issue of my Fantasy & Sci-Fi magazine, so I searched online and paid $.50 to spare me the trouble of finding it.

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Jan 13, 2004 08:11 am

ahhh, i was turned on to Harlan Ellison by the short-lived comic book series from the 90's. I read those when i was in middle school and I still have those books up in the attic. The comic adaption of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream is phenomenal!

One story that sticks in my mind is about this kid where his whole world disappears except for like the one small town he lives in, and i think he's all alone and he can walk to the edge of town and there's nothing, like just crumbling dirt into nothingness space. Now I want to go pull those books out and read them again.

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Jan 13, 2004 08:21 am

they made a comic of that one? oh, that's really cool. I'll keep my eyes open for that one! What a great read...
I love scifi short stories... Lately I've been getting into Philip K Dick... some really fantastic stories come out of that guy. (think Minority Report and Total Recall, he wrote the shorts those were based on)

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Jan 13, 2004 08:47 am

most of the Philip K Dick shorts i've read were pretty good, i must have read them over a decade ago, i'm sure i remember a recurring theme of humans turing into insects in some of the stories...i prefer his shorts to his novels...mind you most sci-fi novels hurt my head...after getting 1/3 through neuromancer i still have absolutely no idea whats its about!

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Feb 04, 2004 06:18 pm

wow! look at this! the birth of true AI?

www.stltoday.com/stltoday...the+human+brain

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Feb 05, 2004 12:23 pm

Damn... that's amazing. Kind of makes you shudder... It's the AI equivalent of the phonograph - the materials and processes used in the phonograph were capable of being produced by ancient civilizations, but no one ever thought to put it together in one invention until edison came along.

Evolutionary-based neural networks are not a new idea. Random noise generators are not a new idea. Put them together, you've got a machine that is creative - combining jumbles of noise data to create new concepts, and a refining process that assigns a value based on performance.

A horde of robotic bugs with no programming and a goal of walking across a football field are scattered. Random noise generation begins. Legs twitching spasmodically, they lurch and careen across the field. Millions of calculations are performed, millions of different types of movements are tried - movement A, leg twitch, moved a bug 1 millimeter. Movement two did nothing. Movement 3 gained 5 inches in a single step. Delete routines 1 and 2, continue refining. Repeat movement 3, sync multiple legs this time. Gain 2 feet in a one hop. Continue refining, measuring results, applying random data. End result may be a bug that can leap 20 feet into the air and flutter its legs to create a jet of air that propels it to the other side of the football field at 200 mph.

Skynet, indeed....

"Computer, tell us how we can solve our social problems..." Computer uses population models to determine that all war, famine, pestilence, and poverty can be ended by simple application of nerve gas that kills humans...

We need a Turing police force, ala "Neuromancer". We need legislation to require an AI code of ethics to be irrevocably built into every AI ever produced. We need something resembling Asimov's robot laws applied to every AI, starting today... Now that we've discovered a forced evolution mutation process for AIs, and have a worldwide network an AI can reside in, we need to be protected from shortsighted individuals who, instead of living in the woods and spending their time creating mailbombs, now spend their time devising a demonic AI viral application, that lives on the net, and attacks humanity based on its own code of ethics. Goal - destroy all government not in line with hardline Christian philosophy. Such an AI would begin systematically attacking juicy targets, learning with every move, refining its methods, adding to its programming, developing new methods of attack from viruses that crash servers, moving on to manipulating the stock market, manipulating the media, gaining control of industrial automatons, modifying them and using them as an army....

It's scary to think that this is all truly possible... The genie has been let out of the bottle. Wintermute is here...

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Since: Sep 09, 2002


Feb 05, 2004 04:19 pm

great article, but words like bombs, munitions, weapons, warheards get repeated thruout and that creeps me out. i hope the Asimov laws can be implemented in every device. I still get a chuckle from that scene in Aliens "I cannot harm or by inaction allow to be harmed a human being..." "Well you just stay away from me Bishop, you got that!?"

Wintermute's not here yet. There's still a much bigger threat from ourselves news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3449933.stm

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Since: Jan 18, 2003


Feb 05, 2004 06:48 pm

!

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Feb 05, 2004 08:56 pm

All I can say is stranger things have happened, and I hope to not be on this planet when this comes to a head. I am all for technology, but build it with a fail safe.

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Since: Jul 01, 2002


Mar 27, 2005 05:46 pm

Pi is also a great sci-fi film

late, i know...

Lost for words with all to say.
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Since: Sep 12, 2003


Mar 27, 2005 09:59 pm

HAHAHAHA...man, I thought I was behind on reading posts since vacation this week!

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Mar 27, 2005 11:29 pm

Thats even further behind then some O my replies for Pete's sake.

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Since: Mar 14, 2003


Mar 28, 2005 10:40 am

Hahaha, AVP is out on DVD already, isn't it?

Perdido
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Since: Dec 15, 2004


Mar 28, 2005 10:45 am

its been out on DVD for over a month. I personally didn't like it at all. But then again, I didnt like Pi either.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Mar 28, 2005 10:47 am

oh, I thought AVP rocked.

Lost for words with all to say.
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Since: Sep 12, 2003


Mar 28, 2005 11:58 am

I loved it.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Mar 28, 2005 06:42 pm

I as well as the boyz here loved AVP, but then again we are into monster and Sci-Fi as well as cheeeezzzzy horror flicks and B-Movies. My kids love watchin the older stuff and looking for all the little fake stuff. Like the early Nightmare and Friday the 13th movies, Holloween and the like.

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Since: May 09, 2004


Mar 28, 2005 08:13 pm

This has got to be the oldest living topic I've ever seen.... of course... I guess I haven't seen too much...

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Mar 28, 2005 11:06 pm

Sweet, alive since 2003!!!

Well the aliens never died in the movie either, now did they???

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Apr 02, 2005 11:27 am

odd, i just saw noticed this thread after just watching all four alien movies in 2 days..

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