Sep 24, 2003 11:58 pm it'sounds like you about have it man, all you need now is atleast 10 gs.
Pro Tools Setup???
Posted on Sep 24, 2003 10:17 pm
Jason
Member Since: Feb 17, 2003
I was looking at protools.com to see what the cost would be for one of those types of studios. On the Control|24 control surface, it says that it has mic preamps, but the system diagrams under Pro Tools|HD show mic pres in the layout. I figured that i could get like a MAC PC, a Degidesign 192 I/O, Pro Tools|HD 1 Core System, and mics for a 16 track simutaneous recording system. The system diagrams show a lot of other stuff. I would also like to add my outboard gear. I just need help understanding what i would need for a Pro Tools setup.
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Sep 24, 2003 11:58 pm it'sounds like you about have it man, all you need now is atleast 10 gs.
Sep 25, 2003 01:09 am The really nice thing about Pro Tools is you can route your effects though any in/out and control the sends via the software... If your effects are newer and support a digital interface... you can route them that way too!
Then there is the issue of plugin's... you could get some VERY sweets plugin(software effects) for a fraction of the cost of outboard gear... I still have a lot of outboard gear stuff but use plugin's most of the time...(mainly due to the fact you can automate almost ANY parameter)
I'd check out the new digi rack... lots of bang for the buck there!
Shred
Sep 25, 2003 02:20 am well what you "need" depends on your willingness or ability to shell out some cash... i'm in the middle of converting to a pro tools setup from using sonar and vegas. i will still use my pc but i will be using a LE system. if you are going to go HD or MIX system using Protools TDM you won't NEED a MAC but they are picky on what CPU/Chipset combo you can use with minimum hickups so do the research.
my setup is (will be) a digi 001 that has eight digital and 8 analog ins/out(costs less now and has less latency than new 002), a presonus digimax lt (8 pres w/limiters with adat out) that will allow the first 8 ins with pres, and a mackie 1404 vlz which has 6 pres for tracks 9-14. The digi 001 has two preamps that i could use for 15&16 if needed. these, combined with my other gear will make for a pretty good setup.
but TDM systems get "beat detective"... a VERY nice plugin that you'll have to read up on. i know people that upgraded to TDM for that alone.
hope this helps!
Sep 25, 2003 07:31 am thanks to everyone that has helped! i am still wondering if the mic pres in the control|24 will be good for mics. I will run it this way:
Mics--->Control|24--->outboard gear--->to 192 I/O---> to computer
let me know if this will work and be able to record 16 mics/tracks at one time.
thanks
Sep 25, 2003 02:11 pm I'd just like to point out here one thing about protools... it's expensive. welll that's obvious, but what I was going to point out is that it's proportionary, meaning only protools hardware plays with protools software, and only protools plugins work in a protools set up. For a lot less money you can get the same set up, a multiple in/out card, decent sequencer, and effects plugins that will do the same thing as PT but cheaper. If you are set in your ways and are definate about getting a pro tools set up then great, but if money is an issue try looking at some other combonations.
Sep 25, 2003 03:16 pm ok,
here is what i want
i want to record anywhere from 16 to 24 at a time, be able to mix on the mixer (mix B or controller), record on PC. I want to have some outboard effects like reverb and compression so the pc will run better.
what would you suggest?
this will be a full professional studio, not for home recording.
thanks
jason
Sep 25, 2003 03:22 pm I suggest a Cubase or Nuendo package with two or three of Delta 1010 Or Echo Layla's. Mackie and several other manufacturers sell control surfaces for these packages as well. Plus it would leave you with a more cost-effective upgrade route down the road.
Don't get roped into the dark, expensive world of ProTools...Their market share is slowly eroding away.
Sep 25, 2003 04:57 pm I've been using a ProTools Digi 001 system for some time and have had great results. What you need to realize when moving to a PT system is that you're going to be "stuck" with Digidesign. No VST plug-ins, no non-digidesign hardware, extra expense, no real added features. You can accomplish the same level of quality in your recordings at a lower cost with more flexibility with a Sonar, Cubase, Nuendo or Vegas setup. Just something to consider from someone who has been using an 001 for quite a while.
Sep 25, 2003 10:24 pm so, with a cubase setup, i would need a 24 track recording console, 2 or 3 delta 1010's, mackie control unit, and mics. is this right? would i need a console with mix B for tape returns from the delta 1010's for mixdown? i know the mackie 24x8 has mix b for tape returns.
this sounds like a pretty good setup. just let me know if i have everything listed above.
Sep 25, 2003 11:13 pm You could mixdown right on the PC, once it gets intot he PC you can export the song down to a stereo wav file, and then master that and burn it to a CD, so now I don't think you'd need a Mix B section on a mixer, just your ins and outs.
Sep 26, 2003 12:24 am I have heard that getting 2 Delta 1010's working in 1 machine is hard... getting 3 to work in one machine is almost impossible...
unless things have changed(they may have) I's look of another interface(not saying Deltas suck...just saying they used to have many conflicts running many on one machine)
shred
Sep 26, 2003 03:42 am I have 3 M-audio cards running at the sametime and i have not had a problem . As for plug-ins , i Have the wasves Platinum bundle (Pro tools also has the TDM version of it as well) and that is a gem to get if you want some great mastering plug-in's . I personally went through the whole "i want a pro tools rig" and after 6 months of doing nothing but reserching I decide to stick to my PC based set up and I have notlooked back . I have a friend of mine who has a HD set up and we go back and forth with ideas and who get's the best results and it all comes down to what works best for you , because in sonar i get the same results as my boy who is still paying off his loan and i'm buying more gear.
Sep 26, 2003 01:28 pm I know many people who use multiple delta cards in one machine together with no problems... so I don't
Sep 27, 2003 12:52 am They could have resolved that problem with newer driver versions!
I was also considering getting 3 Delta cards... and a Tech at M-Audio talked me out of it because of conflict problems... He told me, if I was running a Mac I would be fine, but I wanted to use a PC... That was about 2 years ago... I believe!
That is good news!
I would still do some research... and find out if the motherboard your planning to use has any, known combatibility issues...(better safe than sorry!)
Shred
Sep 27, 2003 06:50 am Yes, it was more recently than two years ago they actually announced an vast improvement in running multiple cards. I am not saying it would be problem free, but I do remember a driver version coming out for Delta's and one of the item in the change log was the ability to run multiple cards side by side.
Echo Audio also does this, get a couple Layla's and you will have 20 ins and outs.
Sep 29, 2003 06:06 pm Are the laylas any good? I seem to remember some bad talking about echo cards
Sep 29, 2003 06:14 pm It soudns as though they resolved some of the issues, their first series of cards would NOT work in any PC that did not have a real Intel chipset on the MoBo, which was a huge drawback, and actually led me to stop using my Gina (which I still have if anyone wants to buy it). if you had Intel they were absolutely awesome cards...but that was a huge limitation. I think their newer cards don't have that prob, but don't quote me on it.
Sep 30, 2003 06:04 pm On the Delta issue. I have done setups with up to 5 1010s running together and had no problem at all. M-Audio has come a long way and are one of the most stabel interface makers out there right now. And on the Sonar note, I route signals out through an aux buss in Sonar to my external processors frequantly without any hassle.
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