Aug 10, 2003 09:55 pm the musicianship is good. i'm guessing the drums are fake. i can't judge the mix cause i listend threw walkmen head phones.
new tune w/me on the lead vocal
Posted on Aug 10, 2003 09:36 pm
shredfit
Member Since: Apr 28, 2003
Here first mix of a new tune we just finished. It's a heavy rock song with me singing *ouch*!
This is the first song I've ever recorded lead vocals for. The son is called "Amber Sky"
www.nowhereradio.com/arti...885&alid=-1
What do you guys think?
Shred
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Aug 10, 2003 09:55 pm the musicianship is good. i'm guessing the drums are fake. i can't judge the mix cause i listend threw walkmen head phones.
Aug 11, 2003 01:13 am Nice work. Excellent guitar work, the lead guitar(ist) is killer. Mix is pretty strong. Vocals need a touch of work, a bit off key in some spots, not bad for a first go at it. Overall really nice song.
Dan
Aug 11, 2003 08:23 am Smokin' guitar, man. Nice. I do agree with olddog re: the vocals. Keyboards add a nice touch, ala Dream Theater. I'm guessing a guitarist wrote this song... it seems centered around the guitar parts. :)
Aug 12, 2003 03:39 am Hey, I couldn't find anything that was called Amber Sky at your link, but I downloaded the other two songs. Wow, I really, REALLY like Blue Sunrise. The quality is overall excellent. Everything is crisp and clean. What are you using for the piano part (actual piano, keyboard controller, midi synth)?
The second song's opening and closing sequences are kind of grating, but is also a very nice sounding song, once you get into it. The girl on vocals has a lovely voice. The double up on the chorus sounds real nice.
Aug 21, 2003 08:58 am hello all,
I've been super busy, and have finally got the time to put up a new mix of Amber sky... I tried to redo some of the vocals... sheesh, they are hard!
coolo,
the piano is an ensoniq SD-1 keyboard(blue sunrise) the other songs opening and closing sequences were sort of intended to be grating...in fact that is my alarm clock you hear pulsing! he he
what do you think of amber sky?
shred
Aug 21, 2003 01:58 pm hey, I think the vocals sound pretty cool. But, I think they sound a little flat (could use a small! bit of reverb?). As far as the song goes. It sounds kinda like 80s pop rock. I like it overall, but not a big fan of the style of guitar that most of song has, the chung chunk, ch ch ch chung (if that makes sense). The little bit of synth keyboard is cool too. I like what you've done with the panning of the vocals (esp the echoes). The mix is pretty solid though...
Aug 21, 2003 02:26 pm I like the song, I like the new mix, I like the depth that the keyboard adds. Pitch is truer on the vocal parts. I would not add this next comment except that it really sounds like you want constructive criticism, but in the chorus, the vocals sound strained and a little unnatural, although the pitches are true, and at the end of your lines that end in the vowel "eeeeeeee", the "eeeeee" sounds a little like the singer is running out of air. The "eeeee" sound is not aesthetically pleasing to me at the end of a line like that, when the note is held. However I really like the song, the guitar playing is amazing, the overall quality is very good, tight, and punchy. I would also add that the close attention to detail comes through - I can tell that there was a lot of hard work put into this recording.
Aug 21, 2003 02:51 pm totally 80s pop rock hehe. the guitarist can shred. the verse guitar stuff isnt my fav style. as coolo said.. a lil heavy on the palm muting.
never heard the earlier vocals so i dont have anything to compare them to, but they sound well done and polished.
keep it up and keep sharing the tunes. =)
Aug 21, 2003 02:53 pm "keep it up and keep sharing the tunes. =)"
No doubt! I want to hear more.
Aug 21, 2003 03:31 pm Nice job on the vocal redo. As coolo said a touch of reverb on the vocals might be nice, but then again the sound you have now really fits pretty well too. If I were doing it, I'd experiment with reverb/multi-tap/echo to see if it adds anything. I like the song alot and you've done a really nice job of putting it altogether.
Dan
Aug 22, 2003 02:44 am Ok guys,
I took your advice on the vocal... There is another "newer mix up now...same site" I tried to eq the chorus vocal a little different to get some harshness out of the "eee" held notes... hope it works...
I'm a guitar player not really a vocalist so any help here is greatly appreciated!
The palm mute guitar thing was used to try to achieve a bouncy sound similar to NICKLEBACK'S "Hangnail" and the begining of "Where Do I Hide". I went so far as to dial the guitar compressor threshold and release to "pump/bounce" to the muted beat... YES an 80's early 90's trick! (GOOD EARS GUYS) Which NICKLEBACK also uses! he he
Thanks for the comments on my lead playing! I did the major shredding mostly for my advanced guitar students... Basically, to show some applications of some theory crap I make them learn. (I'll mix the song with no lead parts for my students to play too!)
What do you think of the newest mix?
Shred
Aug 26, 2003 07:44 am hey shredfit, nice eq job. That eeee does strike me as a lot less harsh. What did you do? Was the delay effect (the one at the end of the eee lines in the chorus) already there, or did you just add that? I ask because the delay is more noticeable, and I dig it.
I put up a song in the forum too - check it out, let me know what you think. My recording isn't quite as sparkly/bright/lively sounding. Any mix or recording tips you want to share would be helpful. Do you use any extras like the bbe maximizer or anything like that? Do you mic your stuff or is it line in? (my electric gtr stuff and bass are line in, the rest is miked)
Aug 26, 2003 11:47 am i am interested in the EQ settings you used on the verse guitar. and whatever other treatments you used on it. very interested. it reminds me a bit of the 311 guitar sound on grassroots. i have always wanted that sound.
the singing struck me as good.
share if you can bear!
Aug 27, 2003 02:38 am Tincan, What I did was pull down a fairly narrow frequency band around 7K to get rid of that harsh "eeeee" sound. The delay was there I just added more of it because it sounded like you and others liked it. I mic my stuff and go through a vintage marshall cab (w/greenbacks) and also a standard marshall cab. What I did on that song is I took a direct feed out of my console (Mackie 8 Bus) and reamped and rerecored the same guitar track with a very differend amp tone... less bitey and more smooth... Then I mixed this sound very slightly with the original tone... It really beefed it up!
As far as eq settings on the guitar I didn't do much to it in Pro Tools other than cut a little high-mid(around 900-2k). your hearing the basic guitar tone... I used a marshall Plexi head with the (awsome IMHO) SIB Varidrive pedal. I did add a little reverb to it(in Pro Tools).
Also, I might add. I didn't turn up ridiculously loud to get my tone(I have neighbors he he) I used 2 SM57's very close..(on the grill) one pointed closer to the cone than the other. Recording each mic to a seperate track then blending... So you are hearing 3 guitar rythm tracks (the two mics and then a very little of the reamp track).
Also I don't use any BBE stuff... I try to my recordings with plenty of hi's.. I will cut some of them out for the mastering... It is really god to have the hi-sparkle there and then cut it out than try to put more hi-end in at a mastering session... (Trust me on this... I've made that mistake)
Thanks for asking guys!
Shred
Aug 27, 2003 02:43 am fortymile,
I'm not really familiar with 311... Perhaps what you might be hearing as part of the guiter tone is the compression pumping trick I used to make the track bounce to the time/beat of the song.
Find a delay time chart...then set the release time of the compressor to quarter notes eighth notes whatever you desire... a very cool trick!
Shred
Aug 27, 2003 05:56 pm yes, i have heard of that. i will keep that in mind and give it a try when i have some free time to mess around. but i would imagine that the bulk of that crisp distortion is coming from the amp and recording tecnique you used. many people have told me here that POD doesn't compare to the real thing. this is probably evidence of that.
Sep 12, 2003 08:04 pm I love the Nickelback sounding guitar, shred.
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