Teen Band Honeymoon Ends

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Sound as good as you play
Member Since: Dec 23, 2008

For the record, I'd still rather do live sound for inexperienced young musicians at no charge than get paid for bar gigs that run into the wee hours. On the other hand, I learned last night that it won't always be pleasant.

First, I'll confess that I was not at might best. For some inexplicable reason I wasn't able to fall asleep the might before, so I was running on empty. Second, the venue was about an hour away and we were getting heavy snows and high winds. I knew I wouldn't be home till past midnight and I was supposed to be working on a high profile ski race starting at 6:00 this morning. For those not involved in ski racing, new snow is a bad thing; you need to scrape it off to get down to a surface that normal people call ice.

Did I mention that they thought they didn't need a PA till the afternoon of the show?

So I was there for the kids .... especially my son.

So we arrive at 5:00 for a 6:00 show. The guy with the keys gets there at 6:30. It's going to be a long one.

We usually have 3 bands in these shows, but 5 show up for this one. Plus this kid who wants me to cue up tracks on his iPod so he can scream along. It's going to be a very long one.

Everyone pitches in and we're ready to rock at 7:00. I'm just doing vocals and kick in the PA.

My son's deathcore band is the only one that I've worked with before, so they go first, with no soundcheck. I get the levels ok within 10 seconds, adjust the GEQs for the rest of the first song, and we're good to go. The guitars, bass, and drums are loud, but well-balanced. Overall, it sounds correct for the genre.

Apparently there was no plan for who would play next, so we waste 30 minutes before the next guys are ready. They're a pop-oriented punk band. The vocalist was excellent, including mic technique, and the instruments worked nicely together at a reasonable level.

Next comes iPod boy. With zero time to soundcheck, it takes me a few seconds to get the level correct on the iPod, during which he's hollering to turn it up. Next he starts talking softly to the audience and thinks his mic isn't loud enough (more hollering). I put as much input gain on the mic as I can, but quicklly I'm out of gbf. He abruptly shifts from talking to screaming .... good thing I set the limiter. I don't play his tracks the way he wants (hollering). The audience sympathizes with me. They are good judges of character.

The next band (hardcore) asks to move one of 3 stage monitors back to the drummer. No problem. They're bass amp is blown, so we go direct. It sounds ok, I think, but I'm out of gas. Nobody complains.

Band #4 (hardcore) may have been ok, but the lead singer yelled at me to turn up the vocals before every song. They were over the top loud on stage and I refused to turn up any more. I don't have a meter, but it was right at my pain threshold (I was wearing plugs, but pulled them occassionally). Again, we were at the limits of gbf.

I should have talked to band #4 after their set about the vocals. It turns out they wanted more in the monitors. This is because they had only 1 monitor. My son came to me after he broke down the monitors. The kid who moved one monitor back to the drummer had unplugged the thru cable that fed the mix to the other 2 monitors (I was using 3 powered Mackie SRM350s). So there was a real problem.

Band #5 did an even worse job of communicating with me. The lead vocalists sent his gf to talk to me. She couldn't yell loud enough for me to hear her, so she wrote a note "Can you turn him up?" I wrote back, "Yes, I can, but I won't. You'll hear him if the other guys turn down." I was driving the PA as hard for just his vocal as I drove it for 3 vocals, the kick and a bass.

As always, it ended. Lots of the kids thanked me. A few apologized for their fellow musicians' rudeness. My 14-year old showed more empathy for me than I've ever sensed before (silver lining).

I begged out of the ski race this morning .... slept till noon.

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The Czar of BS
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Since: Dec 31, 2007


Jan 03, 2010 06:26 pm

Well, it sounds like the night an a whole went well. Your kids had a good show, and several other did to. It was only a few that did not.

Can't win them all.

Sad to say, that the national acts are not much better. You find the same unreasonable people with them as well. The same miscommunication continues from their days of working in small clubs and bars.

Sorry that you didn't get the chance to work the Ski Race. Sounds like that would have been more fun.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jan 04, 2010 08:57 am

Sounds like a pretty normal night. With that many bands on one night the law of averages says you'll meet some a-holes.

Sound as good as you play
Member
Since: Dec 23, 2008


Jan 04, 2010 05:18 pm

Yeah, it wasn't all that bad.

4 of the 5 bands were new to working with me and 2 of them had probably never used a proper sound reinforcement system before.

Since I stayed home from the ski race yesterday, I spent some time writing a handout that I can email to bands before a show. When I have a complete draft I'll post it for comments.

Rob - Working the ski race would have been miserable. Pushing 2 feet of loose snow off an entire trail with skis, shovels, rakes, etc. is brutally hard work. They got it done without me, but I'll be buying the beer for quite awhile.

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Since: Nov 11, 2007


Jan 04, 2010 07:48 pm

Man; can I say this sounds like a normal show from my adolescence? Wildly inexperienced kids getting on stage with under-appreciated Dad's doing the legwork behind the console. Let me thank you on behalf of their ignorance. Even the whiner ones appreciate your work more than they know; they're ignorant. Keep at it...you know that obnoxious kid with the Ipod who was bitching about levels?

I played with a kid like that two Novembers past, he was by himself, singing along to an Ipod to a crowd of maybe 30-50 high school kids in a VFW in Harrisonville, Missouri. No one was particularly interested in his schtick; even the high school girls were seeming less than enthused with their dancing. Something happens here, then another thing happens there...next thing I know I see this joker is being broadcast live from the TRL room I stared into for hours as a kid. Now I guess he's tied up with Warner folks and is releasing crappy music videos for the crappy songs me and my band were parodying for months. I don't know if I've ever felt so petty/pathetic as when I watched that video. Huge ego check for me...

Anyway...keep up with those kids, they do the darnedest things.

Sound as good as you play
Member
Since: Dec 23, 2008


Jan 04, 2010 08:34 pm

Thanks for the perspective Quincysan. It's clear to me that most, possibly all, of the kids realize that I provide better sound reinforcement than they get anywhere else. Whether or not they say so, it's good to know.

One thing I noticed at this particular show was the way the audience responded to the extreme SPLs coming off the stage. The lead singers/screamers were calling for people to come into the room, get closer the stage, and move to the music. During the last 2 sets, they mainly stood still, backed away, or left the room.

I'm going to find a way to explain to them what's happening and how we can fix it.

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