Apr 02, 2003 09:10 pm downloaded your track tonight. I will try to give it a listen this weekend and post back here soon.
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Posted on Apr 02, 2003 06:18 am
uhuhbigfan
Member Since: Apr 01, 2003
I just posted an old tune in the rock category called "NO HALO". It was recorded about a year ago by my old band. It's kind of our way of fusing bluegrass and metal. Drop D with a banjo. Go figure? I'm new here and just wanted to throw some of my stuff out there. I'd love to get any comments if I could. You can tell by the recording that I really need this site!!!
Let me know what y'all think.
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Apr 02, 2003 09:10 pm downloaded your track tonight. I will try to give it a listen this weekend and post back here soon.
Apr 08, 2003 04:06 pm Dude, cool song. I love banjo, such an awesome instrument. I dont hear much metal in there (which is not a bad thing) though, and i dont feel much bluegrass, besides the banjo. Its very original, i dig it.
Apr 08, 2003 05:21 pm Dan,
You're right, I didn't do too good with the description but thank you for the best compliment you could give. No matter what it is originality is what was intended. thanks.
Apr 08, 2003 05:33 pm hey Dan,
Very cool tune! It has a very southern rock feel to with a hard-edged twist. I like it. I'll look forward to hearing some more stuff from you.
Apr 08, 2003 10:22 pm bigfan, I got a chance to listen today. I liked it, very differant. My kids came in and asked what it was in the beggining of the tune, and when I told him it was a banjo, he said it sounded to low. I informed him of your drop tuned banjo and he found that simply amazing, and proceded to snag the mp3 off my drive and stick it into one of his playlists. And as I said, you have something unique there, very kool.
Apr 09, 2003 03:05 pm Thanks Fellas,
We took a shot at coloring outside the lines a little bit and that's what we got. I'm writing some new stuff now that is right along those same lines but want to experiment with some different instrument mixes. Dobros, mandolins, and stuff like that. I just like the way it sounds out of place but fits also. We were real careful not to make it too hokey. I want to hone in on a better recording for it though. I also have an acoustic version of the same tune that will be recorded soon with just an acoustic guitar and a dobro. It'll be alot blusier and swampy soundin'.
If you have any interest I also have posted two tunes in the country genre also. We are attempting to put together a decent portfolio of songs to shop for sale. Country is really the only genre that I know this is a common practice but, again, our recording methods and mixing really has to be stepped up. I write alot of rock stuff also but this is where my head is right now.
Thanks so much for the kind words and I'm really amped about Noize2u's kid likin' it. That's killer!
Apr 09, 2003 04:28 pm heh! i love it! metal with a country bassline, bluegrassy banjo and southern rock vocals. it's a different sound. sounds good. sweet little breakdown at 1:55.
what can you tell us about how it was produced? was everything tracked live to harddisc or recorded individually? definitely has a live feel to it. there a alot of low end which makes me feel like i'm at a bar in Virginia with a drink in my hand, on a hot summer night, standing right in front of the PA, looking up at the band (been there a few times). There's a great vibe to the whole thing. you've got something going.
Apr 09, 2003 04:30 pm listening again, love the crickets!
Apr 09, 2003 10:22 pm That is what I like to hear. Dont be affraid to try somehting out of the ordenary. That is how I got most of my paying jobs in the music biz, not being affraid to try new and unheard of stuff. Let us know when you have other tacks done, I will be curiuos to hear what you come up with.
Apr 10, 2003 06:51 am Man, I'm glad you guys are diggin' it!! Most of the sites that I have found on the internet are not all that friendly about Southern music. I wish I could be a little more diverse but you sound like you sound and that's what you got to deal with!!
As far as the production of the tune goes I'll start with the cricket. We were trying to get some vocs done one night and kept hearing this damn cricket in my basement. So we did the only redeemable thing we could. Grabbed a condenser and hunted him down!! The very next day we found him legs up. Poor little thing. He gave his all for that track!!
This particular song was the very first thing we tried to record when we thought we had a pretty good setup but soon found out that we didn't. We set up the entire band for the scratch (pods for amps and vocs from the engineers booth) and after about three takes the drummer was happy. I wish the kit had been tuned better and we had a better grasp on recording than we did. The kit was set up in a room with absolutely no acoustic applications at all. We had to crunch them back so far that they just sound dead. Since then we have a much better understanding of slap back and absorption and I'm confident that the new room will work out really well.
Then we swapped out keeper tracks for the bassline and guitar. The banjo was recorded next.
Then we did a couple tracks of percussion stuff like shaker and chimes just to have if needed for the final cut.
My guitar player (who deserves a ton of credit for this tune) had the idea for the breakdown which I hated. I called it the adult contemporary part. The only thing I hated was the vocals, the music was fine. So we started tryin' to fix it and came up with one of my laughs that we caught on one of the vocal tracks and decided to throw some delay and reverb and all that on it. Once it sounded sinister enough we decided to use it in the beginning and at the end of the adult contemporary part and it worked like a charm. The song is actually based on some gospel lyrics that I wrote and we were lookin' for a devilish kind of "I win!" laugh and I think we did alright with it. The song was alot tamer when it was written but turned into what you hear after playin' out live with it for awhile.
Anyways, after about eleventyfive hundred vocal takes and a ton of "that's as good as its gonna get's" we had what you heard. Definately a learning experience and definately could use another shot at getting it right but we got our point across. We have remixed the old tracks in the new and improved engineers booth and it is amazing what a little space can do for mixing. Our old booth was just setup completely wrong and our monitors were never given enough room to do their job which caused bad track collection and also a very limited mixdown. The new booth is over 3 times the size it was and has just made a world of difference. We're real amped about the future. As of right now we have one ISO booth (drum room) completed and yesterday I took the advice from the other forum (gear gab) and did some of the suggested acoustic applications and so far it seems to really be shaping up. It's funny how what you think is wrong is never the problem. I guess we just blame the easy way out first. We are getting good mic seperation and still held on to the some of the natural room sound. Its cool!!
In the next month or so I plan to have the other two ISO booths done. One will be a vocal/amp room and the other will be strictly for amps. I like the live sound we got from "No Halo" and really think that it is what I want from now on. We are going to keep doing track at a time collection to get stuff done but the versatility of being able to do a full band also is definately where we want to be.
Its all a work in progress and I am really thankful that I found this site to help me along the way. I swear my printer is about out of ink because of all the useful info I've been collecting for the studio. I've created a reference folder just to have on hand when a problem comes up. This site kicks ***!!
Sorry for the novel, again! You'll get used to it.
Thanks. Keep the faith.
Apr 10, 2003 09:11 pm awesome. i love the laugh! since you'll be doing it a track at a time, it'll be fun watching your skills improve from good to gooder. if you have a digital camera or a scanner, i'd love to see your practice space/studio setup or whatever you've got going on. I'm really new to all of this and from the sound of it, you're well into the intermediate stages of figuring all this out. keep up the good work
Apr 11, 2003 06:53 am Jamie,
Thanks for the props, man. I swear, I love this site. I'm gonna do the HRC pro thing today. I'm only hesitant because I'm not the most computer literate person around but with all the help that flies around here I shouldn't have any trouble.
Dude, I checked out your profile and we're only a couple hours away from each other. I live in the top corner of Maryland (Damn near Delaware). I used to drive truck and would roll through Hagerstown all the time. In fact, sometimes I go to Frostburg with my brothers for Deer drinkin' season. I'm too lazy to clean a dead animal so I just go to party!
Anyways, after we get the studio up and running and sounding right maybe you could come record with us. I haven't heard any of your stuff but I'm into all types of music and I write with a ton of different people so I don't think it would be any problem putting together the right people to get a tune or two done. We usually make a day (or weekend) of it when we do a project outside our regular writing and recording stuff. I'm basically just a lyricist and I sing a little but if you have anything that you might want to collaborate on I'd love to give it a shot. If your into it let me know. We could do the writing over the internet and see what we get. If its worth getting together then we can do it here. Just a thought.
I've got a digital camera and I'd love to post some pics but I don't know how or where. We plan on having a website up in a couple months that will have pics of the studio but as for right now I have no outlet. I guess I could send them through e-mail, huh? I'll take some pics this weekend and if you want I'll send 'em to ya.
Hey how can I get one of those nifty little pics like everybody else has next to their names? I want one too! Let me know.
Apr 11, 2003 07:28 am Wow, that's cool. What town exactly are you in, so I can pinpoint it on a map. I used to travel to Delaware as a kid alot, the Smyrna area, close to Dover I guess. Then I guess Delaware's not a very big state is it? What is there, three counties?
My music is mostly metal, I guess. I really don't record anything yet, at least for the purposes for making a finished product. I'm mostly just teaching myself the basics so that when I get good enough on bass and guitar and drum programming I can actually take a decent shot at sounding good. Currently I'm 7 years into guitar and 3 at bass. Been into the copmuter music thing for more than 2 years and I've touched on everything from sequencing drums and virtual synths, the use of virtual signal processing, basic mixing, mastering, digital audio editing, a little bit of everything. I guess my greatest skill lies in bangin out strings in real time. That's where most of my experience is at. I've been in a couple bands, but I've never recorded anything proper.
I might be up for a colab project. It all depends on what you come up with and how "into" it I am. I just got finished mastering a local bluegrass band's demos to CD. The guy had been recording his songs live and in the studio over the years and asked me to compile it all for him. It was a huge learning experience on the basic of CD mastering, and I also learned to like bluegrass real quick. :O) So I can def dig the twang, and that whole southrn thang.
As for your avatar, it's easy. Scroll all the way back up to the top of this page and up there with the Login/Logout and Search and stuff is "My Profile". At the top of your profile page is a link to "Edit Your Avatar". Click here and give it a minute to load up all the images. Even on my cable connect it takes a good 45 seconds to load up all the cool pictures. dB had given us 580 pics to choose from, and if you'll notice there;s a link on that same page where you'll find 89 more that I did. Once you've selected the button below the one you want, just click Set You Avatar and there you are.
Also note that if you sign up for PRO membership you'll get the freedom to use your own custom avatar. Just one of the perks of being in the club. -j
Apr 11, 2003 08:33 am If you look on a map find I-95 coming into the top right corner of the state. Follow it down to Perryville which is the last town before the Susquehanna River. I live about 5 miles from that exit.
Yeah, it sounds like you are where I want to be. My old guitar player was real into metal. We kinda comprimised a bit and mixed his metal background with my hillbilly thing and came up with some pretty heavy soundin' southern rock. I still write with him but I just ain't into giggin' anymore. At least not until I have a product thats different enough or good enough to go through the hassle for. I did it for about 13 years and it started to feel like a job instead of a good time. Got tired of all the personality conflicts.
Its funny that you mentioned your bluegrass deal. I'm real into that kinda stuff. I was raised on country music and will always love it but I like the harder edged stuff. There's a huge bluegrass presence around here. As a matter of fact I'm real good friends with Ola Belle Reed's family. She is a celebrated pioneer of bluegrass music. She wrote a number of bluegrass standards. The one that is best known is called "High on the Mountain". Her nephew is a really good writer that you can check out. www.zanecampbell.com . He is more country than bluegrass but he has some really whacked out stuff too. He actually went into a Nashville studio with Bela Fleck (famous banjo player) back in the 80's and recorded some stuff that was really way before its time. Anyways, I'd love to hear some of that bluegrass stuff once its avalable.
Well, like I said I'm more of a lyricist than a player as far as the collab goes. I noticed on your site that you are writing for your band but if you have a riff or a melody that you need some lyrics or ideas for I'd love to work on it. Other than that I'm pretty worthless. I usually feed off whatever is thrown at me and work from that. No biggy but the offer stands. No matter what, if you ever feel like takin' a ride to check us out, let me know. Hell, once I get what I want to do done, maybe your band could come out for a recording session. I'm setting it up for full band recording so, you never know.
I signed up for the HRC pro this morning. Thanks for the help with the Avatar thingy. I'm gonna go and find one of those now.
Apr 11, 2003 08:41 am You should have gotten your welcome email...the system I built to automate some of it has only been used a couple times...so it may have issues...
Welcome to HRC Pro. :-)
Apr 11, 2003 09:00 am Colora?? Not so sure I want to go there! How's the water??
j/k, looks like your just about to Wilmington, way up Rt. 1. You're probably about 2 hours from me, assuming I can figure out some way to avoid beltway traffic.
Colora... jeez. That's almost as bad as my town. It's called.. ::grins:: "Chewsville"
Apr 11, 2003 09:04 am Over the weekend my wife and I were talking about where we want to go on our summer vacation this year (we haven't had a decent vacation in a long time with as bussy as life has been) and I said "Chewsville", she looked at me really weird and said "what the **** is Chewsville"? I just said, I dunno, but Jamie lives there and I just have to see what kinda town someone would name "Chewsville".
But I don't think that will be our getaway spot this year...sadly...
Apr 11, 2003 09:07 am LOL Right ON, yeah, it's pretty small, maybe a couple thousand people, two stop signs a ballfield and some railroad tracks. Not exactly Disney Land
Apr 11, 2003 09:38 am OK then,
Colora is really rural. Over the last 5 years there's been a building boom around here that is really eatin' up the land. I'm almost the exact same distance from Philly as we are from Baltimore. I figure in betweeen 5-10 years I'll be ready to roll up out a here. Too many people. I'm actually locking my doors at night. Chewsville sounds like a metropolis compared to here though. We got one stop sign at the four way and we just built a post office. The old one was a trailer, no lie. Lot of peach and apple orchards here - real rural. The closest town is Rising Sun and they just recently put in their second traffic light.
Apr 11, 2003 09:42 am Btw,
Bottom side of the beltway is always your best bet. Seems stupid but thats why the top side stays backed up all the time.
Apr 11, 2003 10:34 am well, i'm on a cable connection if you ever come up with something you'd like to share with me, it'd be easy to transfer if you're on a broadband line too. are ya? I saw your on a mac, so that narrows it down to sending wavs or high bitrate mp3s, just a thought. you suggested it. anytimes good. now, or this summer or whenever :O)
Apr 11, 2003 10:53 am oh, uhuhbigfan, I totally skipped over one of your posts. If you want a copy of the guy's CD, he'll be burning a bunch later this month, just simple CD-Rs with inkjet printed inlays. It's all cover music, good stuff, his name's Dobro Dan Herney, heads a cover band from somewhere VA, and if you'd like I can get you in touch with him and I'm sure he happily send you a copy for a fair price. He's real cool, lots of fun to work with. it was my first shot at mastering a CD and I think I gained some priceless knowledge in the process.
As far as my band, well I quit that back in like December because Winchester VA is like a hour from me and that's just way too far to be driving several time a week there and back and I still havn't updated my webpage. We still hang out when we can, but in the meantime I'm sitting in on bass for a rock cover band up in Chambersburg, PA. I'm supposed to be up there tonight. I don't even know half of the songs they're doing, but I fake it, and they love it. They want to get me on permanent as their bassist, but I just don't think I can commit myself right now. I think being in a band is alot like being with a woman. You have to be real careful which one you pick, make sure you get along and have some similar interrests. If you're only out to have a good time and you don't plan to commit, I think it's important to be up front with it. And you damn sure better not be playing with another one at the same time, cause you'll piss 'em both off. It's hard for me to find time for these things right now :O( I guess I find myself at home alot playing by myself.
Apr 11, 2003 11:41 am Hey,
The mac is down in the studio. We use it just for recording. I'm learning about it as I go. I've got a pc with cable hookup.
Man, you sound like me as far as the band thing. It is a pain in the rear to me but I won't lie, I used to love it. I jones for it sometimes but not as much as I do for writin' and recordin'. You're right on the money about personalities though. I got tired of playin' moderater for a bunch of dudes that sounded great together but really couldn't stand each other unless they were on a stage. I figure if I can get the studio together then anybody I want for tracks can come lay 'em down and walk away.
I know alot of guys that play for multiple bands. My one friend use to be a session player in Nashville and toured with Bo Diddley and a few other pretty famous acts. He's in like 4 bands. Thats all he does though. He does the drummin' on that Zane Campbell stuff. He also is in a jazz band and a couple others I'm not familiar with. He records for alot of people. He's pretty good. I guess he's just committed to drummin' and not locked in to anybody.
Let me know about that CD. I'm real curious to hear it.
How you like my Avatar choice? Thats the closest likeness of me makin' music!!! LOL!
Apr 11, 2003 11:49 am looks like the picture on your mp3.com site hehe. if you'd like i can send Dobro Dan your email address and have him contact you, or I can ask him his permission to give you his. i know that sounds confusing but i don't give out people's email addresses without their consent. let me know and i'll get in touch with him.
Apr 11, 2003 12:10 pm However you want to work it is fine by me. I've got a buddy who is taking dobro lessons right now and I'm sure he would want a listen.
Yeah, I'm pretty ugly! No chance of my modelin' career takin' off. That pic fit.
Apr 12, 2003 01:47 am bigfan, glad ya joind the HRC Pro. It looks like you and Jamie might be the first HRC members to actually meet, since dB and myself dont count anymore (we only live about 8 miles apart, it was only 2 before he moved into that ritzy place up on the hill).
Apr 12, 2003 06:58 am Hey Noize,
I'm glad to be here. For $24 how can you go wrong? I've done alot of looking around the net for a place that offers good info, decent critiques of your work, some musical diversity, a worldwide presence, and a group of people that aren't too cool for the room (if you know what I mean) and I found all that here. Y'all have been extremely kind and I am the master of the dumb question and nobody seems to mind that here. I've been on some sites that just don't offer any type of service at all and act as though your a bother when you try to tap into the service that is supposed to be offered but you guys hopped all over my questions and helped me out right away. And that was just as a registered member, not even pro status. I was completely turned off to message forums because of all the fighting that happens but I didn't find any of that here, either. I was kinda skeptical at first because of the musical breakdown that I found here. Only because all my stuff has such a southern flavor to it. I'm just a big redneck that likes alot of different styles but can't hide the fact that I'm a big redneck in any of them!! After I started diggin' though I found some killer music here and I also found a little bit o' hillbilly rearin' its ugly head in some other folks tunes as well!! Hell, to be honest about it, its worth the price of admission just to get the freebie info that y'all offer!
Yeah, its pretty cool that there is another member so close. I think I saw that there was somebody from Chesapeake, Va here too. I've got friends down there also. Its not much farther south than Jamie is west of me. That's one of the coolest aspects of music for me. Style diversity and the ability to find common ground between genres. Once I'm up and running right I want to really start diggin' and finding ways to break down some genre barriers and the only way I know how to do that is to involve creative, diversely influenced people. The more I meet the better off I am. I'm just real into makin' people say, "Damn!" If you ever get a chance, download some Bela Fleck. If your not familiar with him, he's one of the best known banjo players in the world but he specializes in jazz and classical music. That's what I'm talkin' about!! Its worth checkin' out.
Anyways, won't we all be meeting at the first annual HRC Pro Convention? I figure it won't be long before one of these are planned. I'm thinkin' Vegas. If that don't pan out we can always go up to dB's place on that hill, can't we? HA-HA!!!!
Apr 12, 2003 07:33 am I think the implied visual of my "place on the hill" has been grossly exaggerated.
There is a hill beyond my house that is a bit more upscale of a neighborhood than mine. Tho my neighborhood is a good place.
Apr 12, 2003 08:16 am I've been misled. I'm shocked. This is the first time I've been fed bad info here. Forgive my gullible nature.
I guess Vegas will have to do!!
Apr 12, 2003 10:17 am I give dB a little grief cuase now he has a bigger room then I do. And as far as Bela Fleck, that guy rocks. I had never seen an electric banjo till I saw him open for someone many years ago. If you can find the tune Sinister Minister, check that one out, it is one of his best works.
And true dB is on the edge of a very ritzy neighborhood. He is in a very nice area, and his neighbors for the most part are pretty kool.
The idea of an HRC convention in Vegas, I would go for that. I love the fact that we have people from all around the world here. And we are all connected by the music, and the differant ways we all make it.
Peace
Apr 12, 2003 10:41 am Yeah, Bela's the man! I have a friend that actually recorded with him in Nashville way back when on some really experimental stuff. We call it technohillbilly. Most of it is even too weird for me but there is some pretty cool stuff there.
That electric banjo that he uses is called a Deering Crossfire. Kinda looks like a strat. I want one in the worst way. A little pricy though for someone just learning how to play. We got a regular ol' acoustic here and I'm gettin' alot better with my rhythm rolls. I figure if I'm still into in a couple years and can wail on it I'll spend the cash. Until then I'll just have to figure out how to make the sounds I hear.
I've not heard Sinister Minister but I def want to. I've got alot of collabs that Bela has done downloaded but I love to hear his band. The Wooten Brothers play for him and Victor Wooten is a certified bass bad@$$ in my book.I love to hear him go off. I've got a version of him doin' "Amazing Grace" with just some percussion accompniment and I swear it sounds like a full band. And as funky as you can get!
I figured you and dB were pretty good buddies from what I've read. It's pretty cool watchin' you guys spar on here.
You never know what the future holds. It would be nice to think that the Vegas (or wherever) thing could happen.
Apr 12, 2003 11:46 am uhuhbigfan, I've emailed Dobro Dan, I'm just waiting on his reply.
"technobilly"... i wanna hear *that*!
a PRO convention would be really cool.
Apr 12, 2003 02:02 pm *TECHNOBILLY* - Kinda sounds like "Flock of Seagulls" on Heehaw! I'll dig it up and find some way to get it to ya. Its really different.
Thanks for the info on Dobro Dan. Let me know.
Apr 12, 2003 03:25 pm Noize,
Just heard Sinister Minister and was blown away. That was Victor all the way. Really cool time changes in that tune too. Bela didn't even flex much. Those guys are just the best at what they do. I'm not a jazz person but I could listen to that all day. Very cool!
Apr 12, 2003 09:08 pm Yep, the electric Banjo and the Drumatar, that is what made that tune great, infact the whole album is pretty kool if I might say so myself.
Apr 13, 2003 10:31 pm BigFan,
I for one am in love with the cut. Love the style. I see it as a fusion; and you did an excelent job of fusing a number of genre's together. Are you sure you didn't sing for Black Foot at one time? I am looking on a map right now to see where you are exactly. I would love to drop by and play at some point in time. You have some real tallent all around represented in this cut.
Humble observations. If you can get the low middle cleaned up and more punch on the bass I think you will have a seriously pro cut. There is some infighting in the low middle end, or maybe it is the effect of the MP3 or maybe that is desired. Obviously I don't know.
Back to the piece. I am really amped with the fusion. I love the fact that it is driving, it rocks, it is earthy. It is simply donkey kickin! I would simply love to bass for you at some time. I don't often offer that. I also don't have any intention of horning in any incumbants. I guess I am just trying to say Please, Please keep following your heart on this style. It is very in the grove!
Apr 14, 2003 01:34 am uhuhbigfan, I heard back from Dan and he okayed my giving you his email. I sent it to the email address you have on record with HRC. I told him you'd be in touch. -j
Apr 14, 2003 07:05 am Walt,
Thanks so much for your words of encouragement. I am so amazed at this site and the diversity here. Definately love this place!!! After listening to "Dirty Old Men" I never thought I'd be hearing from you about "No Halo"!! But I'm so glad I did.
First off, no, I never have sung for Blackfoot(LOL!) but my old band did a rippin' version of "Train, Train" that they use to let me blow a little harp on. Nothing close to the original cut but I got the point across. It was one of our best. We did alot of that old school southern rock stuff. "Mississippi Queen", "Snortin' Whiskey", some Seger, Eagles, alot of Allman Bros., etc., etc.... Pretty much anything except Skynard ... everybody does Skynard. We caught alot of flack for not.
I totally agree with you on the mix of that tune but we were kinda messed up from the start on that one because of setup. We're in the process of trying to salvage it right now and attempting to get a better mix but I really think it will need to be redone to save it. I hope we can come up with something that will be presentable because I really want to move on and come up with some new stuff along the same lines as it is. I'm scheduled to do some writing with my old guitar player in the next couple weeks to pick up where we left off when the band broke up.
By the way I have no incumbants. That's why I'm no longer in a band. Being locked in to certain players is very limiting and what I have found is that schedules that are too full to make time for creating seem to miraculously open up once you decide to move on and replace the missing parts. Its an amazing thing. Actually, when we come up with some new material I'd love to get a bass line from you. My old bass player is an amazing player but diversity is the spice of life. Right? We could even do it over the internet and save you the trip. I certainly am always open to work with someone new. I appreciate your offer and Lord willin' and the creek don't rise will definately take you up on it.
Thanks again for the words of encouragement. I posted a couple of our country offerings up also if you'd like to check them out. Mix problems there also but it gets the point across. With country taking such a turn towards pop lately we are really experimenting with alot of different stuff on that side of things also. Check it out.
Thanks again.
Apr 14, 2003 07:08 am Jamie,
I e-mailed you this morning.
Thanks
Apr 14, 2003 09:46 am That's too funny! I and my friend are listening to your cut and Train Train is ripping through my head. I run upstairs and start rumaging, but all I could find was Marauder. I couldn't remember the band name. Don't get me wrong, your piece is not Black Foot, but I could hear the influence.
Ya, I have had a renued love and appreciation for swing, jazz, and fully orchestrated stuff over the last ten years. Enough to decide to start playing it again. I find it both very liberating and rounding. It's funny, some of the guys in the big band can swing with the best but can't blow a rock tune for their lives. I don't get that. By the same token, one gospel rock group that I play with now and then have the same thing going on. I'll want to use a Jazz bridge, or throw in a phrase swung and it just is not there for them. All of that is fine, and I refuse to be annoyed, however it's all just rythem. I think that is what I like best about this piece of yours. The fusion makes it very interesting. Out of the heard.
Internet, whatever. Just let me know. God's creek and such, I'll be hanging out.
Apr 14, 2003 09:38 pm bigfan, I could have guessed about the Allman Bros stuff. That is partly were I came from long ago. I still own all their original vinyl. I have two copies of Filmore east, as one of them has a whole were whippng post used to be. :-)
That was about when I switched to playing drums, and went back and forth between them and keys.
I agree with Walt though on the fusion thing. Yo really have a touch there with No Halo, I cant wait to here more in that area.
Peace
Apr 15, 2003 06:12 am Walt,
I envy you for being able to change your stripes for whatever the job calls for. I rank that up as one of the highest definitions of musicianship. I work with alot of different players and knowin' ones limitations seems to be one of the biggest problems I run into. Almost every musician I ever met says that they can play any style but when it comes down to it, style diversity really seperates the men from the boys. I'm a very limited musician as far as performing goes. A novice guitar, banjo, and harp player. Been told that I'm a good lyricist, but if I'm singin' it's gonna sound southern blues with a heavy gospel influence. Its just what I do and there's nothing I can do about it. I can fake alot of stuff live but when it boils down to me and a microphone in the studio, my colors really show. Sort of a bright red and it usually shows up on my neck!!
Noize,
Brother, God bless the Allman Brothers!!! When it comes to southern blues and all out jams, the Brothers Allman are KING! Its funny that you mention Filmore. My wife and I have his and hers copies!! I'm just a Greg Allman freak! Love his gravel throat and wish mine was more like it. Killer keyboard player! Don't get me wrong, much respect for Dickie and Warren and the lot but Gregg's the man. We use to do Midnight Rider and One Way Out. Great jam tunes! I had dual guitars in my band and I would just walk off stage and have a seat once we hit the jam and let those guys go off. Damn, there comes that live jones creepin' in again!!!
I've been listenin' to Gov't. Mule alot lately. I've also got a soft spot for a tune that Warren Haynes wrote called Soulshine. Can't get enough of those gospel keys. Btw, if your interested, since your a keyboard player, I've got a piece that I would love to hear done strictly with piano and organ. Its pretty much a G,C,D standard southern ballad but I would love to hear the dramatics that some tasteful keyboard could give it. I have a copy of it done with with my guitar player buddy playin' everything on. It was actually the first thing we ever recorded and it wasn't done as well as it should have been. Its been a thorn in my side ever since. My mother actually sings backups for me on it and not enough attention was paid to the vocals. We're off in spots and I'd just love to see it redone proper. I'll try to up load it into my music profile and if you are interested I'd love to hear what you could come up with. If not, no biggy, I know you are busy. It's just a thought. Just don't laff too hard at the big drums and stuff!! Ha-ha! I'm very fragile!!
Well, I gotta get off of here and get somethin' done. I got a call late last night from a buddy of mine and tonight is Flash from the Past night around here. Believe it or not, I'm goin' to see Def Lepperd!!!! I saw 'em back in the day with Tesla and it was great show so tonight shouldn't be too bad. I think Vivian Campbell is the new guitar replacement and I haven't seen him live since back in the day with Whitesnake!! Ahhh, my sordid youth!!
Y'all keep the faith and have a great day!
Apr 15, 2003 06:49 am I saw Vivian Campbell with Ronnie James Dio many, many years ago on the Last in Line Tour, I loved the album, and Dio is the only vocalist I know that sound better live than in the studio, but Campbell bored me to tears...his solo's were the same as on the album, no creativity...YAWN!
Def Leppard has in MN about a month agao, I ride the bus with a dude that went to see the show, he said it was really good.
Apr 15, 2003 06:58 am How they ever got those pipes into Ronnie James little body befuddles me!!
We're on the floor so that oughta be pretty cool and I didn't expect to see any real off the wall solo's because their music and show is so structured. I guess that's why Viv gets so much work and seems to always have a job - he does what he's told!!! Ahhhh, what the hell, I'm partyin' in the name of longevity tonight!!! I'm kinda amped about it. I guess my heart is in live performance!! Another character flaw that no pill will fix!!
Apr 15, 2003 07:39 pm bigfan, I would be more then happy to give it a shot. I will be freed up in the next couple of weeks. Go ahead and upload it somewhere and let me know where to go and get it. Otherwise if you are on IM or ICQ or one of those instant message deals, we can do a tranfer of the file online that way. I look ofrward to hearing it, and giving it a shot.
Apr 15, 2003 10:53 pm Noize,
Its called "Her Wings" and I uploaded to my profile page with a couple other tidbits.
Apr 15, 2003 11:07 pm bigfan, that is great. You have a bit of a differant voice on that one in the beggining. And heck ya, I would love to work on redoing that tune with you. I am writing as I listen, just got to the guitar solo, and I am starting to get a bit teary eyed. I love the guitar runing thru the ret of the tune. Was it a glass slide by the way? I still have an old Coraciedan bottle glass slide from the first time I saw CDB in a little bar that used to rock and now is gone.
Anyway, we'll talk somemore about this, but yes, as time permits, I would be honored to do some keys with ya on that track.
Peace
Noize 2 U
Apr 16, 2003 07:40 am Noize,
Yeah, it's a glass slide on a Les Paul through a Mesa. Since then I have coaxed him back to Marshall but that's what we used at the time.
Thanks so much for the props on the tune. I love and hate it at the same time. Love the premise, hate the execution. I think that a different approach would do it justice. If nothing else the recording and track collection upgrade will give it a whole new face. I answered your e-mailed this morning about the collab.
I threw those other two up for sh$%^ and giggles. Thought you might want to hear what No Halo use to be and the CDB thing was us tryin' to figure out how to record. Not record well, just record!!!
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