Round 3: Will it work? Should I do it?
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Posted on Mar 11, 2009 03:51 pm
Doug Babbitt
Sound as good as you play
Member Since: Dec 23, 2008
During the winter, my wife and I are heavily involved in organizing and running alpine ski races at a local resort. As the sun shines a bit stronger and the temperatures rise late in the season, a little music through the PA seems appropriate and makes the whole atmosphere more festive.
Up till now, we've just patched a CD player into the crappy announcement PA. I'm not exactly sure how the system is put together.
My thought is to run both the announcement mic and the music source (MP3 player most likely) through a mixer and send the combined signal to my powered Mackie SRM450s. So far so good, right?
Here's the twist - rather than have the announcer messing with the channel faders when switching from announcing to music and back, can I run the music signal through one channel of a DBX166XL compressor and somehow use the microphone signal to trigger compression of the music via the sidechain on the compressor?
The idea would be to automatically squash the music so that you can hear the announcement, then let it bounce back up when the announcement is done. I think that I read about this as an application for a compressor, but now I can't find it.
If it is possible, how do I tie it together and what sort of compressor settings would make a good starting point? I'm thinking fast attack to quickly catch the first part of an announcement and slow release to allow the speaker to pause briefly without the music bouncing back too soon.
Thanks for any and all comments.
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CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 11, 2009 06:09 pm Well, my standard software compressors will not do this. I had to get a special sigechain\ducking .vst. So... I'm not sure if a simple mixer and basic compressor would get the job done. Would love to hear an answer from someone 100% sure.
Doug BabbittSound as good as you playMember
Since: Dec 23, 2008
Mar 11, 2009 09:05 pm OK, I needed to be reminded that it's called ducking. After looking at a few online descriptions, it sounds like it will work if I:
1 - Run the music program into a mixer channel line in.
2 - Tap the signal at the channel insert, which will pass it through the compressor and back to the mixer channel.
3 - Run the announcer's mic into a mixer channel through a mic preamp.
4 - Tap the mic signal at the mixer channel's post fader direct out (or aux) and send it to the sidechain input of the compressor channel through which the music is passing.
5 - Assign both mixer channel's to Main LR, sending the output to the powered speakers.
If I understand correctly, whenever there is a mic signal above the compressor's threshold setting, then the compressor will apply and release gain reduction on the music signal to the degree dictated by the various compressor settings.
Sound right?
monmixrIf 50hz 60 will kill ya.Member
Since: Jan 08, 2009
Mar 12, 2009 04:19 am <clapping wildly> Yay!!!
monmixrIf 50hz 60 will kill ya.Member
Since: Jan 08, 2009
Mar 12, 2009 04:21 am I thought for a second he was going to use 2 cans and a piece of string and try to make a clearcom.
Doug BabbittSound as good as you playMember
Since: Dec 23, 2008
Mar 12, 2009 09:07 am "I thought for a second he was going to use 2 cans and a piece of string and try to make a clearcom."
That's a pretty good description of the system we're currently running.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 12, 2009 11:38 am Well thought out, it sounds as if it will work.
monmixrIf 50hz 60 will kill ya.Member
Since: Jan 08, 2009
Mar 12, 2009 03:54 pm Itll work just fine. use the ratio to adujst the amount of crunch to the music, the higher the ratio, the lower the output volume will be.
Doug BabbittSound as good as you playMember
Since: Dec 23, 2008
Mar 12, 2009 08:44 pm Gotcha .... thanks.