Yamaha MG16/6 to M-Audio Delta 1010lt
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Posted on Sep 19, 2008 09:10 am
Stone21
Member Since: Sep 19, 2008
Hi there,
First of all I am glad for a place like this to exist, really helpful topics, questions and answers!
I myself have a bit of a problem as well, concerning recording drums through the delta RCA inputs, using the pre amp of the mg16 mixer.
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I run an SM57 from the snare drum, to the Channel 1 XLR input of the mixer. The Gain on this channel is set just so that sometimes the Peak LED lights up when the drummer hits the snare as hard as he can.
From the channel 1 Insert I/O, I run a guitar cable (inserted at first click) to a Procab Female Jack to Male RCA adapter ( www.bax-shop.nl/jack-rca/...ct-details.html ) , which is connected to the rca input 3 of the delta card.
When recording with Adobe Audition 3.0 (setup to recieve from Analog Input 3) I get no signal.
Normally when I record e.g. guitar, I connect a microphone to the XLR input 1 of the delta, setup Audition for Analog Input 1, and everything works fine.
I hope someone has some useful insights on this, because I really don't know how to deal with it.
Thanks for reading, greets Rowan.
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HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Sep 19, 2008 09:37 am Sounds like it may be an issue with the way the guitar cable is connecting with the insert-send... maybe try a 'y' cable, and just use the send-end of it... dun'no, but that may introduce some noise from the open-ended return part of the cable .
Have you had success getting a signal to that RCA-in via another source ?
Sep 19, 2008 09:50 am Quote:
Have you had success getting a signal to that RCA-in via another source ?
Yes I have, I used to connect the mixer the exact same way to a Tascam Ministudio Porta Two Highspeed (analog 4-track) to record drums (with exception of the jack>rca adapters, the tascam used jack inputs). I then connected the 4 tascam rca tape outs to the 3/4/5/6 rca inputs of the delta card, and recorded the seperate tracks into Audition.
So I know the inputs work.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Sep 19, 2008 10:28 am Right on. Perhaps it's an issue with the adapter ? Got'ta be something within the line between the two .
Sep 19, 2008 10:55 am If I am not mistaken. That is a single point insert of the Yamaha. By going in only to the first click, you are only connected to the return on the insert.
Try an aux send output (not it's insert) See if there is any signal that way.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 19, 2008 11:03 am Hey Stone, I had a very similar setup, prior to my current setup. MG16/4 - 1010lt
I too used the inserts as sends, and it worked well.
The mixer channel has to send, as there's no real way to tell the insert to stop sending, so that's out.
You say you had signal (from other device) being received on 3-6 on the LT, so you know the PC is receiving and happy, so that's out.
Only thing left is the cables / adapter.
Process of elimination, remove one possibility every time you test something. Whatever's left has to be the culprit (well, most times, anyway).
If you're concerned that the insert isn't sending properly, test the mixer by using the main out (or sub out) to send signal to the LT RCA input. It won't be the same as an insert, but it'll tell you if the insert is sending or not. If you can receive signal from the main (sub) fine, then you know the insert isn't sending like it should.
My first guess would be the 1/4" - RCA adapter though.
Sep 19, 2008 11:59 am Thanks a lot for your help everyone! OK, at the moment I do not have access to the mixer, so real troubleshooting isn't possible for me right now.
But, I started Winamp and played a song, connected Analog Out 1 to Analog In 3 using an RCA cable, and the M-Audio Control Panel showed Analog In 3 recieving audio! I was able to record the music playing from Winamp into Audition.
Then, I redid the same test, but instead used the adapter plugs with a (working!) guitar cable, and the card didn't recieve any signal!
So that means two things:
1. It's impossible to perform a test like that?
2. The adapter plugs are fail! Which would be a bummer considering they were brand new..
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 19, 2008 12:09 pm Quote:
1. It's impossible to perform a test like that?
er, looks like you just did perform a test like that.
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2. The adapter plugs are fail! Which would be a bummer considering they were brand new..
I think you've found your dilemma.
On a side note, what a neat test. I have to remember that one, to test cables.
Sep 19, 2008 12:20 pm Haha, well I was unsure if I could run an instrument cable between two RCA jacks..
Sigh, any advice on adapters that will(!) work would be nice hehe. :)
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 19, 2008 12:36 pm well, 1/4 mono to RCA should be straight through. So if you're using 1/4" mono cables (heh, which a guitar cable is) then it should work.
I use Hosa cables, which are 1/4" on one end, and RCA on the other end.
I'm not sure where you'd get them in NL, but at least you can see them:
www.zzounds.com.../item--HOSCPR80
Sep 19, 2008 12:51 pm Wow, that looks good! Would make the room a lot more tidy as well!
Can't seem to locate a store here that has them, but there are international sellers on Ebay so I'll try to get one from there!
Thanks so much, and speak to you soon ;)
Bye.
EDIT: I'm not sure the UK one you found ships to NL..
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 19, 2008 03:13 pm Yeah, I have two different snakes like that for different things. Great at keeping things tidy(er).
That one looks just as good.
I've heard that Thomann name before, but forgot about it when looking. oops. Glad you found one.
Where you at in NL? My bossman here is from NL. His niece runs our European office out of 's Graveland by Hilversum.
Anyhoo, hope that works out good for you.
Sep 26, 2008 01:57 pm Great, the cables came in last Tuesday! I tested it, running from my guitar amp Send channel to the delta analog input and it worked :D I had to crank it up pretty far though to recieve a reasonable signal.
I'm from Klundert (Noord-Brabant), which is pretty far away from Hilversum :P
We're going to record drums (Glyn John style, with extra mic on kick) next Monday, so hope it will work! :D
Oct 22, 2008 08:26 am Stone21,
Did that mono 1/4 to mono RCA cable snake work out for you? If so, did you use the I/O ports from the signals on the mixer as was mentioned earlier?
I'm curious, as we have a Yamaha MG32/14FX at our church, and I just got an M-Audio Delta 1010LT to use same as you. I'm wanting to take the I/O ports to the M-Audio Delta, so we can separately record the signals (multi-track) onto the PC.
However, when I looked at the diagram, it appeared to me that it wouldn't work that way, b/c the mono signal would only reach to the Insert part of that signal connection on the board, whereas a Stereo connector, the tip would reach the Output.
But the signals should be the same as your MG16, so if it works for you, it should work for me. I just wanted to make sure before I jumped and bought one. Of course, I can do some testing with some Mono cables first just to see.
Thanks for any follow-up/info.
Oct 27, 2008 10:08 am Hey, we recently recorded some drums, guitar and bass using mics > mixer > snake cable > delta 1010lt.
Go ahead and use it, it has served our multitracking purposes perfectly!
Oct 27, 2008 09:44 pm Thanks for that note. However, I did try sending from an I/O port using a 1/4 mono signal on one end to an RCA mono, and got nothing.
I'm afraid that when I did so, I got nothing. But when I used that signal on an Aux return, I did get something.
However, I just now remember something. I did not have that signal sending out to the Stereo bus, neither any of the 4 sub-groupings/buses. Do you think that could have an effect?
I'll have to see if I can drop by and give that a try tomorrow evening. I mean if the mono snake idea will work, that will be PERFECT!
Well, here goes - I'll give it another go, and post back!
