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Posted on Apr 24, 2008 07:41 am
dbmasters
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I have been in this for over a month now, lots of people have tried it, and everyone that has tried it has had positive results. For those of you that were interested, and not just throwing stones I figured I'd lob out some of the things I have heard, witnessed or experienced from myself or others I gave it to.
- Myself - after a couple years of real knee issues, yesterday I took a 14 mile bike ride and walked the dog for 2 miles...muscle pain from being out of shape but no joint pain. Going back to Kickboxing next week. My blood pressure is now within normal range as well...dropped from around 140 to down around 110.
- Wife with arthritis in hands - says after a week the pain was there but the fatness feeling was gone, after another week or two the pain was gone as well.
- Noize2u - So far he has skipped his cortisone shots and said he is sleeping thru the night like he hasn't in years not being woke up by shooting pains.
- My aunt with fibromialgia - getting better every day, has had more full night sleeps than in years before drinking and less pain than she can ever remember.
- Sister with chronic foot and finger pain from 20 years of standing cutting people hair and bone spur removal surgery in her feet has said it's lessen her pain tremendously...just talked to her last night...talked to her last night, she's very happy.
- Doctors at the local Mayo clinic are now looking in to it after one man here with lukemia had good blood count tests after drinking when chemo didn't do much...
There are a few others with no serious injuries or anything, and all people involved have noted better sleeping and waking, and all women noted smoother, softer skin...which is, I am guessing caused by the massive supply of vitamin E in the product.
Anyway, I am finding all this interesting...
One thing it seems to do nothing for is chronic headaches, it's biggest impact has been reported from people with arthritis or other such infalitory type problems, and cancer...cancer I don't know personally, I talked to people that claimed it and read the U of Florida study, but I am not vouching for what I haven't personally seen.
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TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Apr 24, 2008 10:43 am That's incredible, dB-Wan.
As I mentioned before, I went through a couple of years of having some kind of fruit smoothie with various boosts of protien, immunity builders etc. instead of having a traditional lunch. I must say that I noticed an enormous difference in my health, temperament, and energy.
What was the name of the one you're using? I think I probably need it....
Luckily the California weather helps a great deal with my arthritic knee (not too cold or damp), but I still get the occasional 'tweak.'
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Apr 24, 2008 11:21 am It's called Mona Vie, and it's running rampid in Cali...Florida and Cali it's uber-popular...it's new to the Midwest.
If ya wanna try it, hit me up privately, I'll hooks you up unless you know somebody locally that has it...
The market here is growing unbelievably fast...glad I got into it...a product I actually believe in...
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Apr 24, 2008 07:44 pm mate thats great, although i got no health issues "currently" i will try it also.
Tall chap, for the last 10 years i've always had protien shakes during the day, i agree they make ya feel great they also keep the mind more alert.
i dare not say anything about not havin health issues. touch wood.
touched repeatedly. tap tap tap tap.
Apr 25, 2008 06:33 am To anybody who wants to try it and can't find it, I can be hit up via the "contact us" link at the bottom of the page. It's not available via retail stores, so some areas it's hard to find.
If it is hard to find, and you notice what everybody else does, there is a whole new level of conversation we can have to get you to MAKE it available in those places :-)
I just signed somebody else up last night...it's growing insanely fast.
Apr 25, 2008 07:51 am whats it taste like
Apr 25, 2008 07:54 am A fruit drink, sweet and pulpy...an occassional chunk of fruit...
yummy.
Apr 25, 2008 11:13 am can you buy straight up acai juice? i cant do prune, it gives me migraines.
Apr 25, 2008 11:17 am There are Acai drinks, but most of the commercially available "Acai" drinks have minimal Acai actually in it...just enough for flavor and to be legal able to call it an Acai product.
That sucks about the prunes, man, it does...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 25, 2008 11:04 pm I'll second dB on this stuff.
forty, I'm a big juice freak and could drink gallons of it. That and tea. But this is probably the best tasting fruit type drink I have had. A very stout berry flavor, sweet but kind of tart as well. Yet smooth as all get out. I have tried stretching the once or two out with several different crystal lite drinks and that was still very good.
TC, I as well am a huge smoothy drinker. Sometimes in the morning when there was a place that was open. Otherwise there is a great place about 3 minutes from work and I will trot up there for a lunch time smoothy. And yes, usually have the power additives dumped in as well.
On the juices effects on me personally. Well as dB stated it has helped a chronic insomniac get a better nights sleep after a couple of seeks of the Juice. I can now sit and play guitar and keys for longer then 3 to 5 minutes at a crack without getting cramps and major pain. And yes I have severe degenerative arthritis in all joints especially the knees and ankles which suffered severe abuse from freestyle skiing and motocross riding. I basically have no cartalidge left in my knees and the next choice is surgery and complete replacement and I'm not ready for that mentally. This stuff has not completely killed the pain in the right knee and ankle which are the extreme worse case. But the major pain everywhere else is all but gone.
But the sleeping is the best part. I can now get a good solid sleep. And even if it might only be a few hours I can wake and feel as if I have slept a good 8 hours. ON a long day I can get a second wind much easier without reverting to heavy doses of caffeine or other power beverage.
OK, nuff said on that.
And like dB, if ya wanna ask a question regarding what it has done for me feel free to hit me up as well via the email link or the link on the contact page.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Apr 25, 2008 11:08 pm what exactly are the ingredients in the Mona Vie?
coz in Aus they dont have it here as far as i can see, but i just picked up something today called "Zambroza"
its got stuff like mangosteen, red grape, concord grape, blue and rasberry, wolfberry, green tea, etc etc. most of those are extracts.
sound similar or not?
Apr 26, 2008 01:40 am i just made a molasses toddy. kinda weird. just molasses and hot water. lol
Apr 26, 2008 01:22 pm Yes, Deon, Australia is one of the countries it is in, and actually, the top guy in my group is currently working with somebody in Australia to distribute it.
You can look at the ingredience at www.monavie.com ...it's 19 fruits...many of them very exotic fruits from tropical regions such as Acai and Goji (they call it Wolfberry)...Pomagranite, Prune and many others too...
In the next couple weeks I am heading a few hours north to work with a new distributor up there that has lots of people interested...it's growing like crazy.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Apr 26, 2008 09:46 pm great, ive been a healthie for years, love the medical science etc too, all this stuff is interesting.
well speaking of the stuff i bought it sounds similar at least, had my first couple of shots yesterday and well, i dunno if you guys felt it on the first day but i did, i felt almost like i got a rush after 30mins and then felt great throughout the day.
i guess you could say im quite a cynic when it comes to this kinda stuff, but i got nothing but good things to say so far about it.
impressive, thats for sure.
to get a zing like that out of it.
Apr 26, 2008 09:55 pm The stuff we are drinking isn't an immediate "energy drink" type of thing, more just general health. Most people feel noticeable improvements in sleeping patterns and reduction in joint pain and such after 3 or 4 days...I noticed the blood pressure decrease in about two weeks...increased energy just kinda comes with the turf of sleeping better I would suppose.
Health gimmicks are always something to be a cynic about, cuz the industry is FULL of them...
I am going to look in to Zambroza though, sounds interesting...from what I see so far, it sounds very similar...and sells for the same insane type money...MonaVie is actually a little bit less once you join the wholesale group...and it has some vitamin content that Zambroza (called Thai Go here in the US) doesn't. Two bottle of Mona Vie is $70 (for members), 2 of Zambroza is $82.
Very interesting comparison tho...for sure.
Apr 27, 2008 06:49 am here's a great health tip.
eat raw garlic, often. it's the acai of ... of bulbous spicy things. the health benefits of garlic are extreme. it might be the single healthiest food on earth. i can't even imagine what would happen if you mix eat a clove with a shot of mona vie.
superman?
www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART00364
i sometimes eat a raw clove while snacking on a coke. it's highly weird. but i love raw garlic. my ldl/hdl cholesterol levels are so good that i'm supposed to be experiencing 'a reversal of heart disease.'
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Apr 27, 2008 08:36 am you can O.D. on garlic believe it or not.
you can have too much of anything really, some you notice others you dont.
too much garlic can upset the ying and yang(if ya like) in the body.
not sure of the symptoms.
also too much antioxidants can actually do damage to you, so always take the recommended dosage, taking more for a speedier effect just doesnt work. ya either get symptoms or you simply waste your money.
too many antioxidants can aslo make you feel very tired.
dB, yeah i wasnt expecting the rush i got from the Zambroza, havent felt it since though, my mother also felt it.
may have just been a spin out for the body at first, cant think of how though, oh well.
Apr 27, 2008 08:39 am everything in moderation...
anti-oxidents can be harmful if you take to much...however, you need to take A LOT.
Apr 27, 2008 03:33 pm oddly, the treatment for garlic overdose is vampires
Apr 27, 2008 04:25 pm i would want to try this stuff. but that's all i would want to do up front, try it, and for a reasonable price. since it's not available in stores, i guess i can't do that?
Apr 27, 2008 04:29 pm I can, and will, dropship an order to ya from my account...we'd have to take that convo to email though. I'd be happy to help ya get a couple bottles to ya though. Anyone here, or anywhere, that really knows me, knows I may be a jackass, but I am no liar or scammer, if I didn't honestly believe this was the real deal, I wouldn't be as honestly excited as I am about it.
Apr 27, 2008 04:55 pm i sent you an email
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 27, 2008 05:25 pm Yep, I'm a snake oil skeptic as well here. I took it with no huge expectations and was impressed.
forty, ya the garlic thing has been something I do here as well. Although I switched to the garlic pills after awhile as no one could get near me after a clove of it. That and onions seem to process right out my skin and make me stink something awful. No one come near me if I eat a raw onion and butter sandwich. I smell like and onion for a couple of days after eating a big fat thick one.
But ya, the Mona Vie stuff is working for me. I still haven't had time to run over the health store for some Goji Berries yet though.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Apr 28, 2008 05:16 am goji bez are quite nice, very different tasting i reckon but nice.
yeah the antioxidants OD thing depends on what ya take, there are a few that ya can OD pretty quickly on though. mostly on vitamins ya take seperately though.
JDODBrother Number OneMember
Since: Jan 22, 2008
Apr 28, 2008 05:32 am I dont do anything like specific health drinks. I just try to eat a fairly balanced diet, try to keep the alcohol intake to a reasonable level and try to exercise.
I'm pretty successful with the first too. I'm not getting enough exercise for the same reason I'm not getting much chance to record lately. I'm just far to busy at work.
Apr 28, 2008 06:07 am i got addicted to subway, which is a good thing, cuz subwawy's all about the veggies. i never pegged myself to fall for that. but man, loads of green peppers, red onions, lettuce and spinach, black olives, topped off with oil and vinegar and tons of oregano...it works on the turkey and the BLT. add mayo and extra cheese, throw some doritos on there, and you've got an unhealthy crunchy healthwich.
TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Apr 28, 2008 07:09 pm Subway...mmmmmmm....
Tuna/Cheese/Lettuce/Spinach/Cilantro....
Yum.
I found out the other day at a dinner party that my buddy's brother is doing the Acai drink thing. I've got a couple of bottles coming for 'er indoors and I to try.
I'm willing to give it a shot.
I'm mad on the fish oils. They are very good. Gotta do the capsules, though. And you still get that "Did I just eat kippers?" taste about half an hour later.
Apr 28, 2008 07:44 pm I like subway too, sadly, where I work now has two big cafeterias that serve up burgers and fries for a really good price...better than McD's burgers and fries as far as freshness and whatnot, but still, burgers and fries...
They also have fish, mexican, specialties and such but not for the $3 or so I can eat burgers for...plus, it's in house, and it's the only place within walking distance so I am kinda stuck...
RandalMcFloydI wish I had a profile pictureInactive
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Apr 28, 2008 08:31 pm You mentioned there was the possibility of making some profit from this...is that still possible? And how much profit would really be made?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
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Apr 28, 2008 10:22 pm forty, Subway indeed. I love to stuff one full of the black olives and green peppers.
I used to be hooked on making my own lunch all the time at work. Fresh balogna on a good grain bread or Pita with a big wad of sprouts and a fat smear of guac. Nothing better unless you add some Vidalia (sp) onion on it as well.
Apr 29, 2008 10:18 am Randal, yeah, there is LOADS of opportunity...and it's proving quite easy as it's a real product and, lets face it, health and wellness is one of the industries to be in...hit me up via the contact us page if you want to chat about it.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Oct 30, 2008 08:51 pm well, i wanted to bring this back up because i wanted to find out how everyones ailments were going etc?
and to let people know of something that is far superior imo to anything i thought would ever be on the market.
maybe you guys have heard of em, but they are "lifewave patches"
i wont bore you with all the hype coz if you want to read about the science, you can go to the web site.
I know this post is long but read on, its worth it.
family and friends have been using them for about 2/3 weeks and "all" cannot believe how they work.
im the biggest sceptic of all and even im impressed.
there are patches are for;
"Pain", "Sleep", "Detox",(mainly heavy metals which are herendously damaging.)
"Y-age" which has anit-aging properties and beleive it or not, promotes your body to reduce and even diminish scars altogether! "Energy Enhancer", which has absolutley spun me out when it comes to training, the endurance it gives you is nothing short of amazing.
eg: 80kilo incline bench press, i do say 2 sets of 12/15 reps and then im over it normally, with the energy patch on, this will sound like crap, but i did 2 sets of 15, then another set 0f 20, then a set of 10. and still could have done another, of say 10/15. These work by also helping the body rid of lactic acid.
and saving the best till last!
"weight loss." im not overweight, but im a sceptic, so i thought i would try these to, well, i guess prove them to be B***s***.
so far, after just under 3 weeks, by Geebies, im losing weight! and not being fooled by the scales(like most).
this is actually clearly visible around my midsection. These things make your body burn 500 calories a day extra and have killed my sugar cravings. this is killing a million birds with one stone in regards to weight loss theory.
I've know people that, for years have had like, a bung shoulder or knee and have used these, and bang, the pain is gone.
you dont have to spend up big time to see results with most of these patches, if its gonna work, then it works within secs. if not minutes of trying them!
you are probably thinking what i was at first, "oh crapola! silver bullet? yeah right."
well i dunno about a "silver" bullet, but its at least a 50. calibre regular bullet.
This works! aint no other way to shine it up.
but most of all, they arent expensive and alot of cases have reported, after using them for a while, that the pain never returns. laugh all you want but its true.
ok here's another one,
people are curing their tinnitus with them!
In a nutshell, they work on clearing the meridians in the body thru means of oxygen crystals on pressure points. simple as that.
nothing actually enters the body at all.
this is medical science at its top level, and it "FDA" approved.
We have over the top protocols with legalising and importing medical stuff here, so that's saying something.
So, all the dudes here that still have these ailments, cant sleep, need more energy,(although i felt nothing till i went joggin and did a workout)
have pain anywhere etc etc.
i would seriously consider checking this out.
i been following health and fitness very closely for quite a few years now, and i've tried alot of stuff that quite simply, does not work.
This is exciting.
sharing info is all about helping the fellow man IMO.
hope you guys can use some of it.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 02, 2008 05:03 am well, so far its been 3 weeks and i've lost a genuine 4 kilos.
just thought i'd chuck that in.
its amazing how this stuff works.
Nov 02, 2008 08:43 am I dunno man, at least the acai stuff prolly tastes good, even to the most hardcore skeptics. If I cannot eat these patches...
they should make them in nacho flavor.
Nov 02, 2008 10:30 am Magic oxygen crystals pressing on pressure points, healing the body with nothing entering it? Ummmmmm, no, sorry, I'll not try that one.
I'm having success with what I am doing...great success, actually, so I am sticking with it.
Nacho Flavor Acai drink, I like that idea...
Nov 02, 2008 06:30 pm haha, i meant the patches. nacho patches. turn that acai drink nacho and you'd ruin one of the two reasons i'd try it
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Nov 02, 2008 06:33 pm Ya, but a Nacho flavored health drink might bring in some of those less interested in a berry flavor. If you know what I mean.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 02, 2008 08:05 pm i laughed when i read about these patches.
like you said dB, sounds like BS.
and i wouldve bet everything i owned that it was.
but it works. cant say much more.
i licked one last night to see if it indeed did taste like nachos or something Mexican, but im sad to report i got nothing.
im gonna go another month on these weight loss ones and see what appens.
ill have before and after pics so it will be interesting to see how much i lose.
mind you seeing me with no shirt could scar your retinas for life not to mention the nightmares.
but hey, there are sleep patches for that.
dont worry i wont subject anyone to pics.
so are you Mona Vie die hards still drinking the stuff?
how's it all going? still good? is it still getting rid of pain etc?
Nov 02, 2008 08:08 pm still drinkin it, still seeing amazing things with others and myself.
3 weeks isn't enough to check something, you still have personal motivation and placebo effecting it...once you hit 90 days, then maybe I'll listen. :-)
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 02, 2008 08:14 pm you're right there, hence me getting a whole heap more patches for the job.
i have undoubtabley lost weight though.
losing 4 kilos going by scales isnt worth mentioning though really, we fluctuate up to 4 kilos in any given day.
will report my findings in another 5 weeks.
Nov 02, 2008 10:22 pm deon, the science they mention on the webpage is not science at all. it's impossible. perhaps you're getting a placebo effect. perhaps wearing the patch is changing how you eat or something, because you want them to work or something.
that science is so bad it's funny. they fm-modulate your body's magnetic field and send instructions to your body to carry out specific biochemical processes? but yet they're not sure how it works? come on!
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 03, 2008 06:00 am there aint no placebo effect going on.
thats for people that know jack**** and
its not possible for the experiences ive had with the other patches as well.
the energy patches and the sleep patches.
as far as eating less is concerned, mate, that would never happen unless i absolutley made myself not eat. i love food man. i dont have "this" kinda will power and eating less for 3 weeks wont make you lose much weight at all.
im not even thinking about food like i used to.
i will say this, science is science. its about trying new things an every now and then someone comes up with something that blows everyone away.
if its a placebo, then how is the Y-age patch diminishing peoples scars?
its got me stuffed?
this science isnt unique to this product either.
if you google "scenar" you'll find this science doing very similar things but its using a device.
there is something in this science, there is no doubt in my mind. people are starting to pick up on it and i excpect big things to happen in the future.
im not saying i know everything about how this product works, but it does. if you try it, you will find out for yourself.
if yer interested forty, i would read deeper into this subject, not just on the level of this product, but on the theory behind what its doing and on things of this nature.
its not that new, its just advancing.
Nov 03, 2008 06:05 am Quote:
there aint no placebo effect going on. thats for people that know jack****
not really too familiar with placebo affect are ya? :-)
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Nov 03, 2008 06:22 am sorry that came out wrong.
you're right it could be.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Nov 03, 2008 06:25 am how will we ever know if it is or isnt then?
Nov 03, 2008 06:40 am Time is the only answer...most everybody I have talked with about MonaVie that had serious issues (most commonly Fibromyalgia and arthritis) told me every time their doctor gave them some new drug they'd feel better for a bit due to placebo, therefore after a bottle a MonaVie they would always say "yeah, I feel better, so?".
Noize did the same thing, as I recall he tested it for 2 or 3 months before admitting it was working. My aunt, who has a horrible time with Fibromyalgia, said she wouldn't be convinced of anything for at least 90 days to avoid placebo, as she'd been down that road before. It's been about 5 months for her now. It's been about 8 or 9 for me and Noize.
When I first started taking MonaVie I ate differently, and did a lot differently, for quite a few weeks, just on hype and all that. It wasn't until after that, when I had my first fast food lunch, drank a few soda's and such that I knew I was back in my same old place...and my joints were still feeling better and my blood pressure was still down.
Since then I have rolled into a comfortable routine of eating a bit better, exercising/weight training regularly, and drinking MonaVie that I feel much better than I did a year ago.
Truth told, people that "know" too much, or are very caught up in hype are MUCH MORE susceptible to placebo...only time will tell for sure.
The stuff you are talking about makes me think of those pads you put on your feet that sucks the heavy metals from your body through your feet while you sleep...I forget the name, but it's an awesomely funny infomercial.
Nov 03, 2008 07:02 am deon, there are serious violations of known fact in that pathetic, terrible 'scientific' explanation. sorry, some things are just wrong, and people who study science know it when they see it. if i had the energy, i'd prove it to you, but you won't listen.
this is crackpot stuff man. it's insulting to expect people to believe it. anyone who's...
aw just forget it. i can't help it if you're scientifically illiterate. pick up a copy of sagan's 'the demon haunted world'
Nov 03, 2008 07:04 am kinoki foot pads.
yes, it's the same kind of swindle. if you're selling this stuff deon, get out now. you'll never succeed. it's too boldly incorrect. if you want to sell it successfully, do it in another country where they're more gullible. i will attack you publicly for scientific nonsense--sorry for that, but this thing really hits my trigger.
Nov 03, 2008 07:12 am Kinoki, yeah, that's them, awesomely great infomercials for entertainment value.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Nov 03, 2008 07:32 am well forty, you need some lessons on how to get your point across. aint no reason to be rude about it.
i think dB got his point across just fine without being rude mate.
if you're right forty, people believing it being gullible's got nothing to do with it.
how would the average person have any clue if it was crap or not?
doesnt mean they are gullible.
mate im all ears in regards to you proving it to me...i have the time, and im not pig headed about being told.
im not scientifically illiterate...maybe just not as clued up or learned as you are.
Nov 03, 2008 07:51 am One thing that forty has a hair trigger for is science, I've been on the receiving end myself, but honestly, he never does without good, solid scientific fact on his side.
It may not always be gullibility, but often it is, either that or simply people wanting to believe there is a shortcut that isn't there. Infomercials rely on that gullibility and/or laziness.
I did a lot of research on MonaVie before getting involved, and it's not rocket science, simply good nutrition from powerful fruits. No shortcut, no magic potion, just simply very good, rich, powerful nutrition. Read the science behind anti oxidants and phytonutrients, it's pretty stellar.
Nov 03, 2008 07:52 am it may sound rude, but i'm not sure it really was. if you believe that science, that would mean that you're scientifically illiterate and that would be a fact. a scientifically literate person would recognize that explanation on the web page there as made up nonsense.
i was drinking, though, so yeah there is some hostility there. but what can i say--it bugs me. i do have a hair trigger for this stuff sometimes. usually i try to calm down first. i'm not really bothered--i was just trying to 'express' haha
Nov 03, 2008 08:20 am Sounds like the same "science" they used to sell magnetic insoles and body wraps years back to me.
I'll read in more detail later but my first couple minutes screamed of scam.
I am eagerly awaiting forty's comments.
Nov 03, 2008 08:29 am i said 'if i have the energy,' i'd try to criticize it. but it's 6 am and maybe i need some of these patches to criticize the patches.
there was a page that got more into specifics before, perhaps it was the main page. it had more stuff than the first link you posted, and that second pdf link we don't need to bother reading if they're serious about what they're saying on the other pages. you can just skip that whole step.
maybe i'll revisit the thread tomorrow. bring up a specific claim if you want
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Nov 03, 2008 08:38 am absolutley. look forward to it.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 03, 2008 07:18 pm found a whole heap of studies done.
i know anyone can write this stuff for the benefit of the business, but i thought i would post this bit anyway for ya "forty"
oh, yeah, im not selling the stuff, im not really that way inclined, too hard, cant be bothered etc.
below is just one of many of these.
February 2006, Dr. Frank Shallenberger
completed a second LifeWave patch study with LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches that was a placebo controlled blinded study of 30 healthy patients of various ages. The results were prepared for publication. This study showed that LifeWave Energy Enhancer patches improved total aerobic ATP production (fat to energy). In addition 63 percent of subjects showed statistically significant improvements when compared to the placebo patch. The average level of improved fat burning was an incredible 25.5 percent. The range of improvement was from 15 percent to 38 percent.
Nov 03, 2008 08:18 pm as I recall, forty will call you out when you put his username in quotes. :-D
looking forward to his input though...
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Nov 03, 2008 08:38 pm what do ya mean there dB?
Nov 03, 2008 08:47 pm never mind, just a joke, forty may remember it...
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
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Nov 03, 2008 08:55 pm ok, not a fan of the qoutes eh?
that's cool.
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
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Nov 03, 2008 09:52 pm I'll start... Dr. Frank Shallenberger after googling that name... the very first return has in the summary "After losing his license in California, Dr. Shallenberger moved to Nevada, ..."
thats not a very good start...
The worst part is actually 'Nevada'... because homeopathic therapy is almost completely unregulated... some cases even indicate that causing harm to the patient is fine as long as it is sold as homeopathic... so... we would like to think that nothing is entering the body with these patches... but under Nevada rules thats doesn't have to be the case... and it can be some pretty ****** up stuff.
Nov 03, 2008 10:59 pm dude, deon, there has to be a proposed mechanism for working that makes sense. nothing about the proposed mechanism has anything to do with real science. cite any study you want to--it's all BS, created (or *referenced* and tied to the fake product) to dupe people. it's so messed up i frankly don't even know how to start. it's like being faced with a person who really believes (still) that the sun goes around the earth. it's like--where do you even start if the person thinks it might be possible that the sun goes around the earth? what's the starting point for someone who thinks that that could be a possible explanation for day and night?
will take a look at the webpage later tonight. don't just cite studies, though. the topic at hand is 'how the **** these things could work,' and my argument is that there isn't any. that's what i meant when i said it's possible to look at the proposed mechanism and to reject it immediately, without having to look at any damned studies. because that proposed mechanism is laughable. it's more than that, actually: it's 'magic.'
Nov 03, 2008 11:13 pm (note also in your post here, all it says is 'the results were "prepared" for publication.'
in other words, no peer review. peer review is what validates scientific studies. any study not published in a journal may be considered, given the nature of these impossible claims, BS
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 03, 2008 11:21 pm i been doing some diggin myself, and look im not gonna BS anyone that i know what the F**k Lifewave is going on about in regards to the way they work etc.
honestly, obviously im no scientist, and even if i was, im thinking i'd have to be a scientist in this line of science to have any clue.
all i can go by is that there are so many around the world saying they work.
surely not everyone would be falling for the power of suggestion.
If you cant see there any merit here forty, then, in all honesty im not doubting your insight.
you seem to be clued up on the subject.
do me a favour though, have a bit more of a squiz and see if you can find "anything" at all that may be on the level.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 03, 2008 11:29 pm just quickly, it still doesnt explain how i could get under that bench bar and press that many more reps than usual, as i explained earlier.
its just doesnt make sense to me.
Nov 04, 2008 12:43 am sorry, i meant to have done this by now. i will come back and try to point out specific things i see on the webpage that can't be true. i just haven't gotten to it yet. i was watching football and working earlier. i have to do about six more things, but in probability i will be up late like i usually am, so i'll post something soon
Nov 04, 2008 05:19 am i'm drunk.
is this the primary website?
www.energypowerpatch.com/lifewave.htm
if so, it contains grammatical and mechanical errors. some of them are pretty subtle. not a good sign. there are missing hyphens here, syntax errors ('within the first use' in one of the first sentences), missing or extra commas, and more. the page copy was not produced by a professional writer but rather by 'some guy.'
they then dazzle you with a shitty definition of nanotechnology. while basically correct, the definition is, well, shitty. right after they provide the definition, they attempt to link it to lifewave through the phrase 'takes advantage of nanotechnology.' no information has yet been conveyed. there's just a definition and some sloppy sleight of mind.
the contents of the lifewave patches are organic substances available anywhere--there's nothing mysterious there. but apparently they've been fashioned into molecular-scale antennas via a nanotech process. the page then actually says 'we believe that these LifeWave antennas are capable of passively communicating with the user to instruct or initiate various metabolic responses in the user."
the idea is sci-fi cool in some very vague sense--at least it's unique. but it's stillborn. 'we believe?' how does that square with the fact that for this to work, they'd have to know 'what to say' to the cells? and via electromagnetism to boot! we can't even really do it chemically yet!
for this to be plausible, the most important and most foundational thing would be this: the engineers would need to know literally how to communicate with and how to program cells to perform specific biochemical processes. but if people know how to do it, then it could be done consciously every time with drugs. why, then, is there no drug?
drug development--which is basically communication with cells--is today a crapshoot; we're not really designing drugs deliberately yet. we try things and we basically 'see what they do.' that is how we communicate with cells presently. that is where we are 'at.' it is all we know. prozac's original name was 81826. it was one of many aimless mutations of a benadryl molecule. this one turned out to have an effect on depression. but they found it by messing around, not by telling neurons how to behave. lifewave seems to be messing around too--maybe they just happened to stumble across the right kind of antenna to effect a specific change, they might say. but eh. then we get down into 'WTF is this damned technology anyway?' there's no answer.
in order to fashion these nanotech antennas (which they say passively fm-modulate the body's EM field) and to discover all these great applications, they would have to know which signals to send to the cells, and then from there how to craft the antennas in order to modulate the EM field in a specific way so as to communicate that message to the cells. and jesus h lord in vain there is just no way to do any of this. this is all handwaving. there is no 'this line of science.' it doesn't exist because it isn't real.
either the magical technology somehow works and they have stumbled onto the appropriate antenna design for countless biochemical functions by accident (thereby answering our fondest wishes) or it's BS. which is more likely?
when you see stories like this online or on tv, check to see if they're in discover magazine, scientific american, newscientist.com, the new york times. if they're not, there's a problem. if products like this existed, they would be a big freakin' deal and they would be talked about in important places. when they're met with silence, it really does mean something.
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Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 04, 2008 06:08 am ok, thanks for that forty, i appreciate your input.
that's exactly what i originaly thought. they stumbled across it by chance.
i'll leave ya with this undeniable truth from my end of the world atm.
The reason i got to try these, is because my mother has "cluster headaches" dunno if ya heard of em, probably.
they are 10 times worse then miagranes and once a year for 2/3 months she gets em bout 2wice a day for about an hour or so at a time.
anyway, she's had em for 30 odd years, taken every drug under the sun, including morphine, pethadene, and naramig. narmig is hardcore S**t. not to mention having to suck on medical grade oxygen.
She got a hold of these to try em.
her attacks started 3 weeks ago in which she got one, before patching up with pain and energy patches. she has not had one since.
30 years of pain man, when nothing else even put a dent in it, and forty im not having a lend of you here.
that page you read is some nob that has taken it upon himself to write his own version of the patches. like you said, it comes across like a danoz direct ad.
its got me why anyone would do that.
i found this for you, its far more informative than that other crap site.
demo.theperfectproduct.com/sciencebehindlw.html
anyway cheers for the interest/disinterest.
Nov 04, 2008 06:36 am i did not yet read your new link.
send me a patch. i demand a patch!
Nov 04, 2008 06:40 am I actually had my boss try MonaVie, she has had horrible headaches for 25 years or so, the doctors ended up giving her medication they give to stroke victims...I forget the name, but she hated taking them, so she had\s just dealt with them a few times a week for years.
During the time she drank MonaVie she didn't have one, plus (ah, the vanity of a woman!) her skin soften and smoothed (massive vitamin E dose) and she slept better.
Now she is just trying to justify the expense, cuz it worked for her very, very well.
Nov 04, 2008 06:43 am i just skimmed it a little bit. i'm still drunk and what this is doing is that it's making me very angry. i don't see why it should be that because i protest something that is quite obviously hogwash i should then be charged with explaining why it is hogwash.
it happens the same way every time. the ignorant want to pass the burden of truth onto the experts when it fact it is supposed to be the other way around. when i say that, i'm not saying i am an expert, but i do know enough to say that this is definitely crap. there's a reason the scientific community has nothing to say on this.
again, angry over here. and drunk. i can't waste time responding to long tracts of nonsense, so if you want to bring up a specific claim in the forum itself, do so.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Nov 04, 2008 07:43 am if you wanna patch, i will send you a patch.
do you have pain anywhere? i can send you a pain patch.
if not, lets just leave it at that eh?
Nov 04, 2008 09:29 am i might swing by from time to time to throw up some objections that suddenly strike me, like this one:
since everything we come into contact with is built of atoms, everything we come into contact with is nanotech. (nanotech is really just deliberate engineering of materials at the atomic scale--but nature did it first).
one of their nano-antennas would presumably be some sort of repeating structure. in other words, a crystal of some kind. now i know what they're doing: this appears to be crystal-magic dressed up in high-tech clothes.
so think about diamond rings, watches containing quartz crystals, or whatever. how do these molecular antennas affect the body? why has no one noticed a connection? why do i not lose weight in a snowstormm when i am enveloped by water ice crystals?
must be the amino acids! i wonder if a bouillon cube worn around my neck would have an effect!
