Feb 09, 2008 02:27 pm Work on the position of that tom-mic... sounds like the room may be playing a factor as well . Other than that, you could try adding a bit of delay on the toms mic track(post-record)... try to line it up with the kick .
Decreasing bass drum pickup from other mics
Posted on Feb 09, 2008 01:45 pm
Drewseph
Member Since: Dec 09, 2006
Any suggestions as to how to do this? I've got a really nice bass drum sound coming from my Shure Beta 52 stuck right inside the bass drum, but I have an old AKG D1000 picking up high/floor toms and since it's kind of pointed toward the bass drum pedal it's picking up an annoying echo. There isn't really any placement I could find that didn't compromise the tom sound while decreasing the bassdrum pickup. Is there a way to EQ out or physically block the bass drum sound from this mic? I'm running mics into a Eurorack RX1202FX mixer and I also have EQ functions in Cubase on my comp. Thanks, I'm currently reading up on EQing but what I've tried so far hasn't worked.
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Feb 09, 2008 02:27 pm Work on the position of that tom-mic... sounds like the room may be playing a factor as well . Other than that, you could try adding a bit of delay on the toms mic track(post-record)... try to line it up with the kick .
Feb 09, 2008 03:20 pm I can't find much on the D1000 mic so I'm not sure what its pickup pattern is. Since its a dynamic I guess its probably a cardioid (a wild guess) which means its going to pick up things at which its pointed, and it'll attneuate things behind it. You'll have to position it so its pointed towards the toms but away from the kick.
But the real difference will be when you put a noise gate on the AKG. Make the gate threshold such that only the toms open it. there'll be enough of a differential between the signal strength of the kick and the tom, plus they occur in different frequency ranges. Set the gate to "listen" in a frequency range that's unique to the tom and not the kick...that should help filter out the kick from your tom mic.
Feb 09, 2008 03:35 pm Ya I'm with Tadpui. Gotta gate the toms. Actually I gate the kick drum as well so it doesn't pickup the snare.
Feb 09, 2008 04:15 pm Oh! Gating. NOOOOO! That will suck all of the life out of those drums. I hate gating on drums, and I always will.
Think about how your drums sound. Do they sound good? Are they pleasing to hear in your recording environment? If the answer is no, the problem starts with the drums themselves.
Tuning. Learn how to tune your drums. Two-headed drums are tricky, and remember, it's impossible to get a definite note out of a drum with two heads. It's an art, not a science. This link is helpful: www.drummingweb.com/tuning.htm
Environment. This is crucial. Are your drums in an acoustically good room without odd reflections? Even good drums can be thwarted by a bad room.
Endgame: do everything you can to make the instruments sound better on their own before you resort to electronic tricks.
If you must tone them down, use Maxi-Pads, T-shirts and duct tape, or rings cut out of old drum heads. At least, they will sound like realistically muffled drums, and not electronically squelched.
Anything but a gate.
Feb 09, 2008 06:51 pm All of those things are certainly true, good tips for sure.
I love the gate on all of the close mics on a kit. It isolates only the drum that you're working with on that track and makes all of the editing so much more effective. When I compress the kick I don't want the snare bleed to trigger the compressor...same for all the other mics or else you'll get some weird pumping going on.
You still have the overheads to tie together and blend in the natural sound of the kit in its entirety. So I don't see gating as sucking the life out of it at all. It just makes it easier to control the presence of a single piece of the kit when mixing.
Feb 09, 2008 07:48 pm I have had little luck with gate-ing. Maybe I have funky gates (Behringer), maybe I just am not so good at setting them up, but I agree with Hue. Some of the initial attack and some of the ringout always gets lost. Changes the whole character of the "voice".
Feb 09, 2008 11:56 pm Everybody, everybody! Its called an 'expander' :-D. So you can set the amount of attenuation of your gate.
For toms I usually go in and edit out the spill, leaving the tom fills. Easy peasy.
And when that fails..... Sample that **** and rip the mids! :-)
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