Monitor Fills
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Posted on Jan 23, 2008 09:38 am
mclir9
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I have recently seen in a couple of books a few common stage equipment setups and noticed along with wedge monitors for each musician, a couple of monitors that would sit off to the left and right of the stage and face in towards the band pointing directly across from each other, at each other. They called them Fill Monitors. Are the just 2 floor based cabinets that are used to direct sound across the band, or are these up on stands like FOH Speakers only directed across the stage for the musicians playing. Anyone have any experience with this sort of application??
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Jan 23, 2008 10:09 am We have recently gone to this system with our monitoring. There are four of us standing in a row across the front, so we but two 12" wedges on the floor in the middle, angling outward, and two 12" speakers on stands about head high behind the mains pointing straight across the stage. Feedback has never been a problem, and it really helps us hear what's going on.
By the way, the drummer has his own separate monitor too.
Jan 23, 2008 11:07 am They do not have to be FOH type speakers. Just about any will work. As Guitar Jim pointed out, you want your "Side Fills" to be above head height.
That way the bass or guitar player are not blocking the high end information from reaching the middle person.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
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Jan 23, 2008 11:20 am How do you deal with phase issues on the side fills? Pointing back at each other I would have thought would lead to some cancellation. Also, was there anything special that you had to do to avoid feedback? I would have thought it would be really prone to feeding back.
*As you can tell by my questions, I am a n00b in this area.
Jan 23, 2008 11:42 am Well, BH, I'm not schooled in all of the specifics. Our guitar player/sound guy is the one that came up with our current system. I can't say about phase cancellation, but as for feedback...it's never been a problem. Perhaps because the speakers are slightly higher than the mics and because they are slightly forward on the stage. I don't really know, but I am going to ask my bandmate...
I'm pretty much a n00b too!
Jan 23, 2008 11:47 am Yeah, you do get some cancellation with side fills. That is why you should delay your monitors directly in front of the person, to the side fills.
That will help with cancellation, and lobeing.
And really, this is only used for high volume situations.
Sometimes we call it surround and drown. That way, when the Marshall is on 11, the middle position can still hear himself.
By way of more SPL coming in at separate angels. And timed together.
mclir9www.witchsmark.comMember
Since: Aug 13, 2006
Jan 24, 2008 08:03 am Also, I recently found an article from Peavey that explains about this type of monitoring. The mix to the 2 side monitors is supposed to be Reversed - Left going to the Right Monitor and Right going to the Left monitor. So if you perform in Mono, I guess it would negate the purpose of them. Here is the article.
www.peavey.com/support/te...s/sidefills.cfm
Jan 24, 2008 05:42 pm The reason that they want you to do that is for the audience in front.
This way the sound is consistent with the FOH image.
It doesnt have to be. We don't do that. and it just fine.
fren hie29http://www.mpaudiovisual.comMember
Since: Jul 13, 2007
Jan 27, 2008 11:29 am I remember 4 or 5 years ago when I was local crew and Black Sabbath was here on their reunion tour with Ozzy and they had a stage left and stage right mini line arrays for fills.
I think Ozzy had 3 floor monitor mix and a prompter as well ;)
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Jan 28, 2008 11:14 am What? Did you say something? No mate! I can't hear you! You'll have to speak louder! What? Sharron!!!
Jan 28, 2008 10:30 pm Deleted By Rob Stemple
fren hie29http://www.mpaudiovisual.comMember
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Jan 29, 2008 10:05 pm I know I personally didn't meet him, but apparently he's pretty out of it. Sober he couldn't even go down to the quick change room, a stage hand had to take his hand and lead him there. But that was the first time I saw a mini line array for fills and it was like a "box" of sound, perfectly isolated.
Jan 29, 2008 10:32 pm That is the strength of a line array. No sound from behind. If you stand behind a line array, you almost think that someone muted that side. Move in front of it, and it will rip your head off! The weakness as a side fill, is that it is wide. 90 degrees wide.
So there is a lot of spillage into the front row. If you stand in the first three rows of the show. You can't make out a word Ozzy is saying.
Not that you ever could to begin with.
