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Posted on Dec 29, 2007 05:14 pm
Robert Yanarick
Member Since: Dec 29, 2007
Hi...
I need help getting my midi working with ProTools. I'm trying to use a really old yamaha pss-480 keyboard... If I create a midi track in ProTools and then set the output properly, then the sound will come out of the yamaha. BUT, I can't figure out how to record FROM my yamaha into ProTools.
Any ideas out there?
Thanks.
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Dec 29, 2007 05:57 pm if you're using MIDI, you won't be able to record your yamaha sounds in Protools. All that is recorded is a digital signal indicating you pressed a key at that point in the song. You'll need to run audio outs from the yamaha to your computer to record its actual sound.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Dec 29, 2007 06:09 pm Yeah, what ken said: plug 2 cables from the yam to 2 inputs on your interface.
Play the project, and record the 2 new audio tracks, coming from the yam. You'll probably have a little latency, but you could just move the 2 tracks forward, to match up with your other tracks.
I'm assuming you'd want a stereo track. If mono, then just 1 track.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 29, 2007 08:36 pm Is it actually the audio you want to record from the Yamaha or do you want to record the midi note data into a midi track in PT?
Dec 30, 2007 06:26 pm I don't want to record the audio ... I'd like to get the midi signal which PT can then output via another synth
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 30, 2007 06:39 pm Then you will need a midi interface, something like the M-Audio Uno or the MidiSport 1x1 interface,www.m-audio.com/index.php...bmidiinterfaces
This will plug into the midi in and out of the Yamaha and then you simple set up a midi track in PT to record the data, then send it to whatever synth you want.
Dec 30, 2007 06:46 pm I have my yamaha keyboard running into the Midi ports on an M-Audio 410 ...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Dec 30, 2007 07:54 pm Then you just need to go into the preferences for midi in the PT options or preferences tab and set it to use the M-Audio device for midi in and out. Then set the midi track to use the M-Audio device for midi input and also for midi output set the destination for the software synths audio track.
el musicoFreeleance Producer/Engineer/GtrMember
Since: Aug 11, 2002
Dec 31, 2007 01:33 pm Have you fixed your problem yet Robert?
Jan 01, 2008 04:19 pm nope. :-( i still can't record any midi from my keyboard. i have a midi track in PT with the output set to a synth/effect. (works fine if i draw the midi notes in there.) when i try recording, nothing comes up... when setting the midi up, my yamaha isn't listed, so i chose another one - is that the problem? (the 'general midi device' doesn't work either)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 01, 2008 09:33 pm OK, you are not going to see your Yamaha in PT as the midi device. You will only see the name of whatever you are using for a midi interface. I should ask what you are using for a midi interface, this might help a bit here?
Anyway, if PT is half decent about setting up a synth track then you should simply be able to open a track for the synth itself which will be an audio track in reality. Then as well you will have a midi track that should be associated with that synth/audio track. In the midi track you want to point its midi out to the synth/audio track, which it sounds like you have correct. Then in the midi input field you want to select that midi interface you are using. IF it is not showing up then you will need to go to the midi preferences and make that interface the active interface.
WARNING!
General Midi has nothing to do with the itnerface or the communication of midi. It is simply a generic midi sound player. It is not a device of any kind.
el musicoFreeleance Producer/Engineer/GtrMember
Since: Aug 11, 2002
Jan 02, 2008 01:21 pm So it's a M-audio device with MIDI right? And you just want to use the Yamaha as a controller right?
The MIDI output of the Yamaha should be connected to the MIDI input of the M-Audio interface. Set the input of the MIDI track to the M-audio MIDI device 'ALL' (not sure of how it will be named, but there shouldn't be too many choices)... then arm the track and you should get it.
Maybe take some screenshots of the PT Mixer and post them so we could see if things are right.
Jan 03, 2008 03:21 pm noize2u - the interface is maudio's 410. But why do you say that about the general midi? it's listed right along with the rest of the ?devices? when you go into 'midi studio setup'...
el musico - yes to using the yamaha as a controller. maybe a stupid question, but how do i post pictures on this forum? i only get a text box to type into....
i'm not sure of the right verbage (device vs. interface vs. instrument...), so i'll try this again:
Yamaha pss-480 keyboard <--MIDI cable--> MAudio Firewire 410 <--firewire cable--> ProTools 7.0 (the arrows on both sides means that there's supposed to be 2 way communication)
Inside PT - I have an instrument track and a midi track. Input is set to all. Output is set to my Xpand plugin
also, any ideas on how the "midi thru" (on the 410) is supposed to used?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 04, 2008 11:12 pm General midi is not a piece of hardware, nor is it a pathway for controlling your midi input. It is actually just another piece of software that resides as a selection to route you midi data to. It is normally a routing option that is native to either Windows or Mac OS's. It is also sometimes built in as a chip on some sound cards such as a Sound Blaster or the like, as well as some M-Audio and other interfaces. General midi simply refers to a very basic sound set that is used for authoring simply music pieces with very generic instrument sounds.
As for posting pictures, you need to have a place that host's the pictures or your own web space to upload them to. Then you simply use the URL link to the picture typed into the box and it will put the picture up in the thread. Like this.
I'll ask a couple silly questions here. Are you sure the midi cables are hooked up properly. Midi out from the keyboard to midi in of the interface, and midi in of the keyboard hooked to the midi out of the interface.
The midi through is simply a way to pass the midi note data from the Yamaha to another device without interrupting the signal path. Does PT have any indicator that would let you see if there is even any data coming into it?
Also, are you absolutely certain you have the midi input port active in the midi options menu of PT? You cant just select all as the input if there is actually no device being recognized by PT>
Jan 21, 2008 12:54 am Sorry for the delay, but I'm still out of luck...
I'm sure the cables are connected correctly (the IN on the firewire410 is connected to the OUT of my keyboard and vice versa ... checked it a zillion times)
PT does have an indicator if some "noise" is coming in, but it always stays at zero.
and yes, i have all the midi ports active
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 21, 2008 08:23 pm OK, so the mid ports both in and out are all active and selected. Do you have a port and channel assigned in the midi track itself to allow the control to send data directly to the track. And as well you need to make sure the midi track has its output assigned to the synths input.
I can't remember if we covered that yet or not.
