Multiple Delta 1010 lt question

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Member Since: Sep 16, 2007

I am using 2 Delta 1010 lts and want to know if there is a way to link them so
I can get the audio out of only 1 card or
do I have to use the outs on both?

Can I sum the outs with a y cable?

Thanks for any info.....

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Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002

Sep 16, 2007 11:10 am

"Troy McClure" bahahaha, isn't that a Simpsons character?

Anyway, there is a way to sync the two 1010's and get them to act as one, I know that, I would send the master buss of your application to one specific set of outputs and you should be fine.

I don't use this setup myself so realize I am speaking strictly in theory, results may vary, batteries not included.

Welcome to HRC.

Head Knocker
Contributor
Since: May 20, 2007

Sep 16, 2007 03:07 pm

The 1010LT software should show two LTs in the hardware settings section. It will act like one card with 20 ins and 20 outs. Use the patchbay to assign anything to anything you want.

I only have one 1010LT, wahhhh!!

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Sep 17, 2007 05:12 pm

dB is correct. You simply use the master output of your recording software to send the signal to the outputs your choose on the single 1010.

SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
Contributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002

Sep 18, 2007 01:58 am

from the M-audio site. I have two delta's connected with out any probelms.

Delta Series, Multi-card setup


Syncing two Delta Series cards together


Pro Tools M-Powered does not support the use of more than 1 interface at a time.

Configuring two or more Delta cards together can be done by linking the cards together through the use of external hardware lock via a 75-Ohm RCA SPDIF cable to allow synchronization between the cards.

The Basics:

When linking Delta cards, one card sends the master clock signal. The rest of the cards that are synced must receive signal from the card sending the signal. The S/PDIF connections on the sound cards are color coded for in and out. On the Delta series sound cards, the out is white and the in is red. SPDIF cables can be obtained from any Music Industry store or Home Stereo store.

Note that the S/PDIF connections on the Delta Audiophile 192 are both orange, but are labeled accordingly (I=in, O=out).


Note about SPDIF cables, these cables are not the same type of cabling used for analog audio, the internal resistance of the cable is different than for analog audio. Although analog RCA may appear to work, it is not reliable. Examples of SPDIF cables can be found at www.hosatech.com

1. Connect the 75-Ohm cable from the out S/PDIF connection of the card sending master clock to the in connection of the receiving card. Each additional card must be hooked in a daisy chain type of configuration.

If a Delta Audiophile 192 card is part of your setup, make sure to use this card as the last device in the synchronization chain.

2. Open the M Audio Delta Control Panel. The installed sound cards will appear down the right hand side of the panel. Select the card sending master clock.

3. On the Hardware settings tab of the master card select “Internal Xtal” for the “Master Clock setting”. In the “MultiTrack Driver Devices”, please select “Single and In-Sync”.

4. On the Hardware settings tab of all other synced cards, select “S/PDIF in” for the “Master Clock setting”. In the “MultiTrack Driver Devices”, please select “Single and In-Sync”.

After these steps are taken, the hardware is configured for use. The only step left is setting up your application to use the additional card(s).


Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002

Sep 18, 2007 05:51 am

Yet another limitation of M-Powered...interesting.

I knew somebody in here had multiple M Audio's I thought it was BeerHunter...thanks Geoff!

Member
Since: Sep 16, 2007

Sep 18, 2007 06:29 pm

headknocker,

I see 2 seperate cards, I am not sure you can send the outputs from card to another, they act as 2 seperate cards, unless I am missing something.


Geoff, are you saying I can't use more than 8 inputs at a time with Pro Tools M ? I specifically bought 2 cards so I could record a band live and assign individual tracks, rather than record track by track. I had read our previous thread on card syncing,
Thanks for all your info.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
Member
Since: Feb 07, 2005

Sep 18, 2007 07:03 pm

Ya, I've got 3 cards that I use. 2 Delta 44's and a Delta 66. This gives me 12 ins and 12 outs plus 2 SPDIF's but I don't use them.

I just installed the 3 PCI cards and Windows detected them all no problem. 1 card is selected as master by default and it uses the Windows internal clock.

You can have up to 4 M-Audio cards at a time. Inside Sonar they look like 6 pairs and for the most part appear as one 12 in/out device.

SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
Contributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002

Sep 19, 2007 08:09 am

I've have 5 different types of I/O (2 M-Audio cards, PODxt, line 6 UX1, Lexicon Omega) hooked up at any given time and i can use them all in Sonar (well with MME drivers, bla..) but hooking the M-audio cards up like i stated above i can run both with ASIO drivers .Per the M-Audio site they state PT M-powered only works with one at a time , which is lame.

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Sep 19, 2007 09:04 pm

Yep, Sonar is the bomb for that stuff. And ya, pity on the PT and M-Powered limits. But indeed, not need to lock em up with s/pdif cables. It is all done internally. My ESI interfaces lock together with out any messing around. I can choose which one I want to be the master clock and which the slave. And I wouldn't use the Windows internal clock. Choose the first cards clock and lock the rest to it. Sonar will do the rest by sending the proper clock to all the other cards.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
Member
Since: Feb 07, 2005

Sep 20, 2007 09:39 am

Quote:
And I wouldn't use the Windows internal clock

My understanding was that with Windows XP the host PCI card locks to the Windows internal clock. You then select one of the cards as the host. Anyways, doesn't really matter to me as I didn't have to configure the clock host. Just had to pick which one of the cards I wanted to use as a master clock.

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Sep 20, 2007 07:37 pm

Yep, that is all it takes.

And just for the record. The problem with locking to a windows clock is it uses either an onboard sound chip or runs off the MoBo's sync. And that is far below what most of todays sound cards will run. Not very steady at all.

Member
Since: Nov 06, 2007

Nov 06, 2007 09:42 pm

Well! While M-audio claims you can't use multiple cards with M-powered pro tools, somehow I got my Delta 1010 and 1010LT to BOTH work together on it. At first only the 1010 inputs showed up on the I/O configuration screen, however some of the 1010LT I/O showed up as stereo inputs only. I tried changing them to mono, then deleted and set back to default, and POOF! All 16 inputs plus the S/PDIF showed up, and are all accessable for recording in pro tools! I had also installed the latest drivers (version 5.10.00.5057ver3), so that might be part of it.
See if anyone else can get this to work, i'm curious if it's just a fluke, or maybe m-audio updated either the software or drivers to handle multi-cards, and they just haven't updated their info about it...
Good Luck!

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Nov 06, 2007 09:55 pm

I've alwasy been able to lock up multiple cards in Sonar. From the early Pro Audio days even. Never had a lick of trouble at all.

Not sure why PT is such stinker getting things to work together.

Member
Since: Aug 13, 2008

Aug 13, 2008 07:10 pm

Woo-Hoo!! I too now have two Delta 1010s working successfully with Protools M-Powered! The secret seems to be the latest driver 5.10.00.5057 v3 (as previously mentioned)and then it is simply a matter of going to the I/O config and on each of the tabs (input, output, bus etc)and clicking the default button to make the extra channels appear and work. Hope it works for you too. I am using Windows XP pro with Service pack 2 - not sure if the OS makes any difference.

Member
Since: Mar 26, 2009

Mar 26, 2009 12:12 am

Hm. Works with driver Delta_WDM_5.10.00.5057v3, but not with driver Delta_WDM_5.10.00.5069v9.

Seems they've removed that functionality.

Anyone have it working (two Delta 1010s with ProTools M-Powered) under Windows Vista? What driver did you use?

BJ

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Mar 26, 2009 04:52 pm

Did you read her post?

Quote:
The secret seems to be the latest driver 5.10.00.5057 v3

Member
Since: Mar 26, 2009

Mar 29, 2009 08:15 pm

Of course I read it. My point was that a later driver had removed the functionality.

Also, I posted specifically to ask if someone else had gotten the same functionality under Vista.

Member
Since: Jul 19, 2009

Jul 19, 2009 06:53 am

Hi all,

I used to use Logic, now I use Sonar I've got a Motu ultralite that works fine, but I was looking to start using Pro Tools.

I am looking at getting 3 Delta1010 cards with breakouts with the intention of using them with Pro Tools.

1. Can anyone confirm that 3 deltas will definately work in Pro Tools?

2. Do I need to get the Mpowered version of the software or will a different one do the trick? (I know very little about pro tools)

3. I gather from above I'll need to get the driver "5.10.00.5057 v3" but not a later version?

4. Also will my old Mackie Hui desk work with the new pro tools?

Sorry about the number of questions. I've looked through other posts but haven't found any that answer these specifically (or clearly enough to prevent me to ask).

Thanks in advance if anyone can help at all.

Tom

Prince CZAR-ming
Member
Since: Apr 08, 2004

Jul 19, 2009 08:57 am

i don't think so. Pro-tools (the full version(s)) will only work with Digidesign equipment.

The M-Powered Pro-Tools will work with M-Audio equipment, if it's been built for it (most Maudio Delta works).

So, using (3) 1010s (either LT or not) will have to be used with M-Powered, not Full Pro-Tools.

Not sure about the desk.


SM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic's
Contributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002

Jul 19, 2009 03:23 pm

well if you want to get 3 delta's they will work together just fine. you can only use PT M-powered (not too bad) adn it'll let you use up to 18 I/O that's it. it's a good rule of thumb to get the latest drivers for you equipment . I'm not sure about your desk but PT's is finicky .

I have a few questions:

why do you want to change getting to know one DAW is a pain. I have both Sonar and PT and honestly i can and do so much more with Sonar than i do or can with PT.
If you're going to get the delta's it's also go to have a few nice Pre amps or a good mixing board (the MOTU unit has some good pre's) . I'm just saying don't let the hype talk you inrto something you don't need.

Member
Since: Jul 19, 2009

Jul 23, 2009 09:08 am

Thanks for the comments.

Hey Geoff, I got this big old 24 channel 70's console by Tascam (needs some testing and modifications) and I wanted to hook it up from the direct outs to the computer. I was looking at getting some more ins anyway for live recordings and some contemp. classical recordings and saw some deltas for cheap and thought...hmm.
I just figured that since I could get the M audio gear I might have a chance to see what Protools is like. I've been using Sonar for about two years now and don't have a problem with it at all, I really like it, but I wanted to experiment with the whole which algorithm sounds better, between logic, sonar and pro tools.
The Hui works great with logic so far, not so good with sonar though... but I thought it was designed for pro tools so I figured they might have allowed it to live on...we'll see

Cheers, thanks for the input

Tom

Member
Since: Apr 26, 2011

Apr 26, 2011 12:38 pm

Hey Guys,

I know that this is an old post, but I hope its still relevant. I'm having major trouble getting my system working properly and I'm getting too frustrated trying to figure it out on my own.

I have a PowerMac G4 (OS X Tiger) tower with two M-Audio Delta 1010 PCI cards connected and installed, along with Pro Tools M-Powered.

I'm aware that the M-Audio site claims you cannot run multiple cards in M-Powered, but I know that's a bunch of bull. People have made this work before... a lot.

I've found solutions and specific drivers that make this work for PCs, but I've been unable to locate a solution for Mac.

I've tried using both cards as master (Internal Crystal Clock) and slave linked via 75-Ohm SPDIF, as well as re-defaulting after changing certain settings on the m-audio control panel.

I'm currently mixing on a Tascam M-520 Console (those sweet old ones), and I'm more concerned about making the outputs of the Deltas work so I can really utilize the functionality my console. Eight INPUTS is fine with me for tracking, but I could really use some more OUTPUTS for more intuitive mixing. Any suggestions?

I really don't want to buy different gear.

Thanks!

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