Feb 07, 2007 03:06 am Most of the reverb plugins and units will have a wet knob and a dry knob, just turn ur dry knob all the way to 0, and bring up ur wet if u dont hear the reverb enough.
seperating the reverb - any advice
Posted on Feb 07, 2007 02:56 am
coolo
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so, I'm trying to get just the reverb on a track. For instance i have a vocal track, i'm adding reverb to it. Now, i want to play with/hear the reverb by itself, and not hear the original vocal track. Any idea how i might do this?
I have one thing I'm thinking of as I type this, I'll give a try tomorrow and see if it works...hmmm.
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Feb 07, 2007 03:06 am Most of the reverb plugins and units will have a wet knob and a dry knob, just turn ur dry knob all the way to 0, and bring up ur wet if u dont hear the reverb enough.
Feb 07, 2007 05:06 am Set up an aux for your verb.
Use a pre fader aux send to you verb and turn the fader of the channel right down.
Should work :-).
Feb 07, 2007 12:43 pm oh lord, you're going to make me learn about auxiliarys and pre and post fader??? I've been trying to avoid that for like 3 to 4 years now. I'm not even sure how to do that in audition. Guess I better see how it's done...
thanks for the info guys.
Feb 07, 2007 02:49 pm Using audition, SWEET!!
Here's my procedure.
1. Create two Bus channels, one called "Vox Vol" and one called "Vox FX".
2. Apply said reverb to the "Vox FX" bus, I jack it to %100 wet vocal plate.
3. Route all vocal tacks to "Vox Vol" bus.
4. Route all vocal sends to "Vox FX" bus.
5. Then route the "Vox FX" bus to the "Vox Vol" bus.
6. Adjust "Vox FX" to the desired level to accompany "Vox Vol".
This way once you get the reverb levels and all vocal levels correct you can use "Vox Vol" to control all levels including verb.
Did that make sense? I can make screens if not being your one of the only others here using audition. I like seperating them this way so I have a %100 dry vocal take with the verb as a seperate overlay.
Feb 07, 2007 03:22 pm Hmmm, don't know anything about routing one bus to another bus.
So, basically your way Capn, how would you make it so you only hear the verb, and none of the dry signal. Skip steps 5 and turn vox vol all the way down? Where do you adjust the volume of the buses? Theres another window that you can pop open right?
Feb 07, 2007 05:47 pm hehe, yeah, took me while to get it down pat.
Theres a wee fader button that changes colour when you click in cubase. Can't vouch for audition tho' sorry.
Feb 08, 2007 12:56 pm On the bus to bus. It's basically, "Vox Vol" -> Master and "Vox FX" -> Vox Vol. Once your verb is dialed in with your vocal levels, it makes it very easy to control your vox volume in it's entirety. The busses actually have there own volume slider, they are represented just like a normal track, just little different color.
Nope, no need to skip step five, I just mute the actual vocal tracks and leave the busses alone. Just make sure your send is set to pre-fader (not blue). That way it sends the signal to the FX bus and the actual fader (or mute button) have no effect on the send, then you will hear only reverb.
So if tracks 5 & 6 were vocals and backups. I would send em to vox vol, setup the sends for vox fx and make sure the it's pre-fade. So when I mute 5&6, the sends are un-affected and I can hear my verb channels by themselves.
This may be completely whack, but it's the way I ended up doing things and have a template created using this technique that does this for Vox, Guitars, and Drums.
The only oddity is this.... Say you solo your drum tracks, the fx channels still come through as they are set to pre-fade. So when I solo drums, I must mute the Vox Vol and Guitar Vol busses to hear just drums. Honestly though, my verb levels are so low compared to the dry tracks that you can barely hear them over drums when they are not muted.
Did that make more sense? :) Ah heck, I'm gonna take a screenie tonight.
Feb 08, 2007 02:41 pm I'm not sure, but I'm thinking you may be on a newer version of Audition. I'm still on an older version, and I don't remember seeing or being able to do what you say in your second sentence.
Feb 08, 2007 03:12 pm You on 1.5? I used it then too but am now on 2.0, but you are right in that the interface looks quite different.
Just FYI, 2.0 is far better than 1.5 in the aspect that it writes the waves to HDD as it's recording vs. saving the files afterwards.
I always had trouble recording practices in upwards of 30 minutes, now I do not.
Feb 08, 2007 04:06 pm Yeah, I'm on 1.5.
Hmmm,I'm not sure if the I like the idea of writing waves to hard drive right away without saving them.
Feb 08, 2007 06:30 pm Duudes, pre fader aux sends. Its the only way :-).
Feb 08, 2007 07:26 pm Coolo, just click the FX button on the track in question, then select the Mixer tab from the box that opens. There you will see sliders that allow you to independently adjust the 'dry out' and the effects on that track.
Edit - I was curious, so I've been playing with this. I notice it isolates some effects better than others. And of course it doesn't work for previously applied FX, or allow separation of the effects to a different track for recording. Whutever, at least I learned somethin' today.
Feb 09, 2007 01:26 pm If I adjust in the mixer tab, or the buses for that matter, it doesn't adjust just the amount of the effect, it also adjust amount of the dry signal so that if i take it all the way down, there is no sound at all....
Feb 09, 2007 01:40 pm Dunno what to say about that. It seems to work for me - in the somewhat limited fashion I described.
Feb 09, 2007 01:41 pm Coolo, it does indeed clutter a drive faster if you are a 200 take guy like me. But when just jamming for 30-60 minutes I hated having to stop recording and then wait a few minutes for each file to save. I did like 1.5 alot though and would still be using it if my gear had not been stolen.
Anyway, I even tried looking up the 1.5 manual to check on busses and sends, I know they exsist but could not find it anywhere.
Feb 09, 2007 01:54 pm Yeah, I only save like 5-10% of the takes i do, so, I like just saving the takes I like, usually at the end of the session, and then the rest just don't show up on my hard drive (dissapear from the temp folder I suppose...).
It seems if I do what crux originally posted, that works for me, but then i have to have two seperate tracks, one for the dry signal and one for the wet signal. But since I only want the wet signal, I think this might work. And... I still don't have to worry about aux's and bus's...
Feb 09, 2007 05:37 pm i gotta back up the colonel on this...i'm not fimillar with audition, so i don't know about the routing, but an aux buss with a prefader send is the way any 'commercial' studio would do it...and once you start, you'll never stop...cuz then you can add effects to JUST the reverb (ie: eq, or even distortion)....i'm a big fan of eq on the reverb (usually to tame the glassy highs, and the muckey lows).
Feb 09, 2007 06:19 pm dammit! cuz that's exactly what i want to do. Compress the hell out of the verb, but without compressing the vocals or whatever the source signal is.
ok ok ok, i guess i better stop procrastinating on all this aux mumbo jumbo...
Feb 09, 2007 06:37 pm Dude... you're making this sound like brain-surgery ! AA must be some funky prog .
Feb 09, 2007 06:56 pm It's all in "Using the bus mixer" in the help file.
Feb 12, 2007 04:17 pm AA, is not hard to use at all. It's so similar to a mixer that it brings me joy. I was just trying to write instructions for someone who has never used it in that way. I thought the 1-5 instructions were a pretty easy read. Create bus.. send signal.. process signal seperately with desired verb.
Anyway, CS and WYD are 100%. I used to not use sends and busses and now save myself time and CPU power.
Feb 12, 2007 05:46 pm Nah, it's just Capn and Herb (distant cousins of peaches and herb?) trying to help out a slow learner...signal routing has always kinda confused me, beyond the basics.
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