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Faze 2 Studios
Member Since: Aug 15, 2005

Ok so im using sonar 5 pe with a presonus firepod. When i have anything plugged into my firepod (lets say a guitar going through a PODxt) i can hear the guitar through my headphones/monitors even when the track isnt armed to record. If i mute the track i can still hear it through the headphones/monitors. how do i get a track to be recording my guitar but NOT have it going through monitors?

also, how do i turn up the volume of something im recording (lets sady drums) without just turning up the headphone volume on my firepod? turning the fader up in sonar doesnt seem to make anydifference in the volume coming out of my headphones...so i cant figure it out...

thanks guys

-melty

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Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Since: Apr 11, 2004

Jan 11, 2007 06:28 pm

I don't think this is a Sonar issue as much as a hardware issue... and a weird one at that . I don't understand why the soft-fader changes wouldn't translate in the monitor mix . Sorry I don't have any helpful suggestions, hopefully someone will, the firepod seems to be a pretty common piece 'round here .

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 11, 2007 09:19 pm

melty, were do you have your monitor and or headphones plugged in? It sounds like you are having a routing issue directly through the Firepod itself. I think you will have to configure the routing in the Firepod control panel itself to have the headphone out listen only to the track you want it to. Let me know how you have the phones and monitor's hooked up and I'll try and get ya through it. The software routing thing can get hairey at times, I know as I've been there.

Faze 2 Studios
Member
Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 11, 2007 09:30 pm

I have my chords running from the "Main CR outputs" on the back of my firepod into my monitors (left and right)

isnt that where they are supposed to be?

how would i "configure the routing in the Firepod control panel itself"

the problem im having is that ill go to record drums over already recorded guitar and vocals, and i cant hear the guitar/vox becuase i have the drums coming through my headphones with the guitar/vox. so my drumming comes off time cuase i cant hear. after its recorded i can freely change the volume, or mute, each track as i want. but during recording... i cant..

-melty

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 11, 2007 09:31 pm

oh, and my headphones are just plugged into the "headphone" input on the front of the firepod.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 11, 2007 10:27 pm

OK, its one of a couple different things. You either have the monitor/mixer enabled in the Sonar Audio properties page, this should be off and you should be able to use the routing in the firepod control panel to mix what you hear. One other thing to do is route your tracks to buss track in Sonar and then send them to the monitor out of the firepod. this will allow you to turn down the drum mix and turn up the guitar/vocal mix.

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 11, 2007 11:31 pm

i cant find "Audio properties page"

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 11, 2007 11:38 pm

go to Options you'll get a drop down menu. Then choose Audio and it will bring up the properties page for all the adjustments you can do with the audio input and output. Try clicking the enable moniter mixer off and see if that helps. Otherwise I will help you create and route through seperate buss that should help get the mix to your headphones sounding good. It will be tomorrow before I can get to it though.

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 11, 2007 11:43 pm

i dont see a "moniter mixer" button anywhere where you told me to look. im using sonar 5 pe... soo... hmmmm.

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 11, 2007 11:43 pm

im using ASIO drivers

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 12, 2007 03:12 pm

melty, I'll start my box up in a little bit here. I keep previous versions installed just for this purpose so I'll go in and try and walk you through it.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 12, 2007 03:47 pm

OK, I was thinking of PE 6 when I wrote that last one.

In reality Sonar has nothing to do with the way the outputs are assigned other then telling Sonar where to send it. In your case it is in the firepod mixer panel that the fault lies. There is a work around though and it is failry simple. I run into this on occasion as well with tracks that are really hot and input tracks that are still kind of low. You need to simply turn down the faders a bit on the guitar and vox tracks to get them level so you can hear the drums while you are playing them. Simply open your mixer panel in Sonar or just use the slider in the track itself and turn down the level of the guitar and vox and this should let you hear the drums clearly.

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 12, 2007 05:06 pm

no see the problem is that the guitars/vox are NOT loud enough becuase not only are the ddrums naturly loud, but they are also coming through my headphones louder then the guitar/vox. i want to turn the drum volumes down in my headphones if not completely mute them, but i cant.

-melty

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004

Jan 12, 2007 10:00 pm

does your headphone output mirror your firepod's main outs? also if you have a 'monitor out' on your interface, you should be hookin' up your monitors to that.


Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 13, 2007 01:08 am

He has them hooked to the monitor out already.

OK, I had it backwards then. I don't have any problems like that in Sonar 5 or 6 honestly. It has to be something in the firepod that is mismatching the levels and routing them improperly. Are you using all the inputs to record the drums on the firepod, then going to several tracks at once? If so and even if not. Sonar 5 by default opens 3 buss channel's. Assign the outputs of the drum tracks you are recording to one of the busses, then simply turn down the buss they are going to. You will still need to route that buss to your monitor or headphone output on the firepod. Then you should be in control of the sound again.

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 13, 2007 04:06 pm

I tried that. I tried sending all the drum tracks (4 of them) to a buss, then controling the level in the buss. I didnt do anything. It works during playback but not recording. Its weird cuase any microphone i have plugged into the firepod i can hear through my monitors, EVEN when NONE of the tracks are armed to record.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 13, 2007 08:45 pm

Then as I stated it is a routing issue in the firepod itself or its control panel/mixer. There must be an output level control that can be used to control the level of what you are hearing mixed between the playback and the live monitoring. See if there is a setting that will allow you to shut of the zero latency monitoring. This should allow you to monitor the playback coming through Sonar only.

I will see if they have a .pdf manual for download and try and browse through it to see whats up.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 13, 2007 10:01 pm

Man do I feel kinda dumb. Go to the drop down menu for Track and turn off the Input Moniter / Echo function. That should allow you to have full control with the faders and busses in Sonar. In 6 there is a button right up top and I didn't even think of looking in the drop down menu.

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 14, 2007 09:44 pm

The track input level thing, didnt work. still does the same thing when its off or on.

and i cant find any other thing to stop no latency monitoring... hmmmmm

can my firepod be broken?

-melty

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 14, 2007 10:06 pm

Well if you have switched that off and it is not lighted then it is for sure internal in the Firepod. I could not believe when I browsed the manual that it has no control panel other then the 3 settings I saw there. There is no mixer control panel or anything that I could find.

And you say you have contacted Presonus and they blame the software for it??

Well you can tell them the software is not to blame at all as you have turned off the input monitering and it is still doing it. I would definitely say the fault lies with the Firepod itself then.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Since: Apr 11, 2004

Jan 15, 2007 11:48 pm

If this is how the thing is designed to work... well, that's just plain weird .

You may look into setting up some kind of submix for monitoring... getting a cheap 'lil Behri, or other small mixer, might be easier than 'dealing with' the Presonus .

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 19, 2007 04:07 pm

dude, weird. when i have my laptop playing music through my firepod, if i have a mic plugged into the firepod i can hear it... like its playing through my monitors even if i have no program other then itunes running through it. is that weird?

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 19, 2007 10:17 pm

Yep, that is not a good sign at all. I would say there has got to be something amiss with the thing for sure. I can have my mic's or guitar plugged into my UX-2 and even have gearbox up and running and still not have that happen unless I specifically route the audio out the analog outs to my desk. But even when I have ASIO switched on it never makes a peep unless I have a DAW open and that specific channel running.

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Since: Jan 21, 2007

Jan 21, 2007 11:08 am

Man... your firepod has that little knob that says MIXER. If you turn it left, you'll hear your input, if right your output. You probably have it somewhere in the middle, that's why you can hear BOTH.

I really don't want to sound like an a**hole, and I also had to get used to this, but next time read the manual. That front panel section is awfully hard to grasp - 8 knobs for channel input gain, 1 for Volume, one for phones and... ONE FOR MIX! :D
At least you kept a bunch of people busy for not paying THAT LITTLE attention ;)

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 21, 2007 05:57 pm

hahaha, oh god if this works im going to feel like an ***. i was always wondering what that knob did... haha, ill try it later tonight.

wish me luck

Faze 2 Studios
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Since: Aug 15, 2005

Jan 22, 2007 04:10 pm

haha that was it! thank god...

thank you so much Noize and Hue and Corniger.

that makes me feel a lot better

-melty

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 22, 2007 10:26 pm

Funny I downloaded the manual to paruse quickly and missed it as well. Although I wasn't looking for that in particular. I was freaked out at the complete lack of any real control panel though. What is up with that???

Thanx Corniger, and welcome to HRC.

Pinnipedal Czar (: 3=
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Since: Apr 11, 2004

Jan 23, 2007 12:07 am

Haha ! Cool ! Glad you're back in buisness there, melty .

Nice one, Corniger .

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