Dec 15, 2006 10:32 pm well, this should bring a decent argument.
personally, I love modeling...it has it's limits, it's pros and cons, but then, so does miking. just try it, if it sounds good for you, then do it.
Amp Modeling for Recording Studios?
Posted on Dec 15, 2006 10:29 pm
m4ca
Member Since: Jul 31, 2006
IS it safe, or a good idea, if you were to plug your electric guitar into an amp modeler (v amp for example) then plug that into a recording device such as a Mobile Preamp, or any other input recording devices..
because i'm not that good at micing amps, so i figure direct input would be easier instead of micing an amp.
but would the effects of the amp modeling device be just as good?
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Dec 15, 2006 10:32 pm well, this should bring a decent argument.
personally, I love modeling...it has it's limits, it's pros and cons, but then, so does miking. just try it, if it sounds good for you, then do it.
Dec 15, 2006 10:34 pm I'm not an expert on amp modelers by any means, but I know you should never plug an amplifier (speaker) output into a line or mic input.
Dec 15, 2006 10:41 pm ya, i've actually had this debate with myself, ya sounds juuuuust a lil crazy. but ya, i cant make up my mind, but i also dont have an amazing mic, the apex 435, ya not amazing, but soon im getting at akg 3000, hopefully, so ya. i really have no idea myself. so by reading this i just effectively wasted your time ;)
Dec 15, 2006 11:15 pm I'm a big modeling advocate. I've been using the POD since its first version and now own a POD xt loaded and the Line 6 Toneport UX-2. I've used them both with great results and have fooled some of the best with the tones coming out of the POD xt. I will admit it does not come easy though as it has taken me a long time to get it to do what I want and sound the way I think is as close to the real thing as it can get for now.
But as dB stated, ya miccing can be a good alternative as well. If you have the time, space and a good sounding room to record it in.
As for the effects sounding as good. They should.
Dec 15, 2006 11:41 pm Oh yeah, amp modeling! Now I get it. It's one of those gadgets that fakes the sound of real amplified guitars. For a minute, I was picturing Vanna White in front of a stack of Marshalls.
I gotta get with the times.
Dec 16, 2006 01:00 am Should be fine, that's what they're made for, in some cases. I have a boss gt6, which has different output selections, so you can plug the output into the input of a recording device, like your mobilepre. You will incur 2 conversions, one from D->A, and one from A->D, but it will still work fine.
Some don't like the digital sound of effects, but like noize said, it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference, if you work at it.
Dec 16, 2006 04:48 am Well Whats the Best..
by best. i mean one thats worth its price.
some are pricey. and i just wanna go home happy.
i wont be doing it for live, but just for recording.
suggestions?
Dec 16, 2006 07:47 am The best is what sounds best to you. In terms of modeling, nobody beats Line 6 currently, but they are expensive. Behringer Vamp is great for the price, but the sounds are not as good. Line 6 also has an awesome software interface for it's products, which is awesome.
Line 6 GuitarPort www.homerecordingconnecti...+and+Windows%29 is a reasonably priced, good sounding item, as is the UX1 www.homerecordingconnecti...rding+Interface . UX2 www.homerecordingconnecti...rding+Interface gets more expensive and the POD www.homerecordingconnecti...eling+Processor is quite expensive.
For my money, the UX2 www.homerecordingconnecti...rding+Interface is the single best value per dollar out there for modeling vs money vs features.
Dec 16, 2006 01:07 pm Modellers are designed to do exactly what you described...you plug your guitar in to a modeller, then send a line-out to your recording device.
What kind of guitar/amp setup do you have? And what kind of mics/preamps do you have? And how are the acoustics in your room? Those will all be determining factors as to whether or not a modeller will sound better than you micing an amp.
Dec 16, 2006 01:15 pm If you have USB then the Line 6 products can record directly without and line in to a sound card.
I am with dB on the UX-2 as well. I have one and honestly it is getting used more often then my higher end interfaces do these days. It not only models guitar amp and cab but bass amp and cab as well as some kick butt high end mic Pre amp models. I use them for my acoustic and for mic pre amping. And you can plug two condensor's into the thing and it will supply phantom power without having to resort to a wall wart. It powers directly off the USB and does not drain the system.
Dec 16, 2006 01:36 pm Another cool unit that makes the whole "miking a cab" issue easier and sounds great as well as being quiet is the AxeTrak www.axetrak.com it's a very clever idea and it sounds very nice.
Dec 19, 2006 03:06 pm I agree with db Masters. Amp modelling solves sooo many problems, it's worth any trade off in my view as long as you have a good one, some really suck.
I put it in the same category as recording drums with midi rather than actual acoustic drums. So much easier.
No time wasted on mic...ing. Frees up time to be spent on eq...ing, which I for one find gives me a lot more bang for the buck than dealing with acoustics and trying to get the mics adjusted right.
I'm a drummer first and foremost, and I insisted for years on micing my drums. Wasted lot's of time and money. I can get better sound from the presets that came with my DAW software than I could with top of the line DWs.
Am I a traitor or a convert? I don't know, but I know I'm happy with the results and happy with not wasting a lot of time trying to coax a good sound out of my mics.
Dec 19, 2006 03:46 pm On this topic,
Can any of you fine people recommend a vst bass amp modeller that will make a d.i'd bass sound better than it does going straight into my desk?
I am having issues getting a good tone. I am going througha Warwick Corvette, Behringer mc200 pre to behringer ub1204 desk to delta 44.
Many thanks guys,
Flashy
Dec 19, 2006 04:54 pm check out the people that make AmpliTube, they make an Ampeg type modeler, supposed to be awesome.
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