Jun 25, 2006 06:27 pm that's bizarre, can you hear it played back in any other program? Is it mabye too short to appear on the waveform (are you zoomed in enough?)? If that part is silence, can't you just silence it?
pops/clicks, may be buffer/latency issue...kind of want to cry...
Posted on Jun 25, 2006 05:04 pm
wontdieinPA
Member Since: Apr 27, 2002
ok...i dont even know where to start, its been a while since ive had an internet connection, but our new studio is done, we'll have pics up soon...
in one of our songs...which we are behind deadline with to begin with...is giving us mucho problemos
-at around 2:17:720 there is a piano break and everyone time we record it...there is a little click/pop...happens at the same spot everytime, ive stripped the whole song down, it is not occurring on any tracks...as there is no instruments even playing there, then i look at all the waveforms and there is no pop anywhere to be found....an although we hear it when we record the piano track, when i zoom in and look, there is not transient or increase in volume where this happens, so the pop is not "embedded" or actually even occuring on the track at all, but still makes an appearance during recording and playback, ive tried messing around with the buffer size/latency and it changes the magnitude length of the click/pop, so i think im in the right area, although it may just be a coincidence...i messed with these parameters in Nuendo as well as in my M-Audio control panel...it just wont go away...although like i said, when i change these parameters it does affect the pop/click, but not for the better, everytime i hear it part of me dies...honestly, we just want to get this album done....
-also, i dont believe it happens in this song only, i think ive heard it in other songs too butjust chalked it up to something else...
-p.s. ive read some posts on here about similar issues and none have seemed to worked...
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Jun 25, 2006 06:27 pm that's bizarre, can you hear it played back in any other program? Is it mabye too short to appear on the waveform (are you zoomed in enough?)? If that part is silence, can't you just silence it?
Jun 25, 2006 07:47 pm Hypothetically, try making a copy of the song, and for God's sakes BACK UP before trying this...... if you delete some of the tracks besides the piano, does the click or pop still occur. The idea here is to see if possible, at that point, the PCI Bus is getting hit with too much info. to handle at once and "sticks", or "starts its count down over", I'll explain this later if needed.
Jun 25, 2006 08:16 pm does this happen when you export the track to one stereo file? if not, just ignore it...if so..ummm well it's prolly a plugin.
Jun 25, 2006 11:45 pm ugh, I am having the same problem and it has pretty much halted my work. The clicks/pops find a spot and then just keep occuring there every time. I know it is the PCI card or its interaction with the PC that is causing it because my current project is just MIDI tracks, and the clicks occur when playing the sound through the DXi instrument. The PCI bus is definatly not under too much stress. This is a brand new machine with nothing else going on but a few tracks...
However this card was on my other machine just one month ago and that PC was connected to the internet. The card would actually click/pop on tracks playing from my PC on media players or even streaming audio from the net and it would permanantly corrupt those files. No matter what player or circumstance, the pops would always be in that spot in the song.
I have done all I know to try and fix it but no luck...
Jun 26, 2006 07:43 am ?
What is your setup?
are you recording through a mixer to the card Via A-dat.Old A-dat will give you Pops and clicks with some new gear,as will old Midi with new Midi.
Also try sampleing your track into Ableton Live,if the pops are not their import it to your session.
I hope this helps you out Good Luck !
Ken Sutton
WaterFall Records.
www.waterfallrecordings.com
www.sweetkenny.com
Jun 26, 2006 10:35 am In that case, I can almost promise you that the very reason for the clicks and pops is what I stated earlier. You see, regardless of the age of the machine, your PCI Buss operates in a mannor where it numerically counts up from #0 to #256 at an extremely quick speed (the PCI Buss frequency). Using the Double Dawg PCI Buss Latency Tool MAY fix this. It is freeware. Enter the number 128 or 96 into one of the form fields and that should fix it. You see, it is set too high and the PCI Buss only operates at 256 or so which only lets 1 or barely 2 devices to share it at once. Your onboard video could be plugging up the performance. The problem I had with both my Athlons was that I could NOT unlock my PCI Buss to adjust the Latency without buying a video card first for each machine..... one of which is a 2800+ 64 bit machine, running 32 bit Windows XP with 1.5 GB Ram. Others suggested that just rearranging the order of the PCI cards I was using, or putting my modem back in would be enough to UNlock it. But it wasn't. Anyhow, try the Double Dawg. This is his site..
mark-knutson.com/t3/pci_latency.html
***************READ BELOW BEFORE DD PROCESS !!!!
Before trying what I suggested above with the Duble Dawg, make sure your data execution prevention is turned off in windows. Here's how. www.techrecipes.com/windows_tips566.html
Jun 26, 2006 06:05 pm The normal cause for pops and clicks is one or both buffers set incorrectly. Depending on your audio interface it will have its own beffer setting in the hardware settings tab. In the case of ESI it is on the control panel itself. In M-Audio's case it is on the hardware settings tab. For M-Audio it is called DMA Buffer Size. In most case you should theoretically be able to run with a few software synth and audio tracks at a setting of 128. If not try 256 and at the outmost 512.
Now here is the catch, you will need to make sure the latency buffer settings in your audio recording application are set to exactly the same, or this will cause some of the pops and clicks you hear. As well, if you are loading or playing files that might be at 16 bit 44.1 khz and then trying to play other files at a differant bit and sample rate, again you will experiance pops and clicks.
NOTE
Midi does not cause pops or clicks! Midi is just plain data going to the software or hardware synth. That is the only way it is attached to the audio, it does not create any problems related to audio in any way shape or form! It is in such small bits of data it cannot possibly hamper the audio portions of you card. I can create entire orchestrations with a full on orchestras worth midi data going to software and haredware synths with now corruption of my audio devices. IF I am overloading the audio buffers, then I simply turn up the buffer to 256 or 512 for playback and its all clean.
Another correction!
Lower buffer numbers mean faster audio processing with lower latency, and higher numbers mean slightly slower audio processing with a bit higher latency when monitering live. The statement above makes it sound as though the lower numbers send less data down the PCI buss. They dont, they send more! I should state that what he is exactly refering to is digging into your PC's bios config and hard adjusting the PCI buss speed. This can help and does, but as stated in one of the pages, most devices can overide what the bios will allow.
A final note as well, some audio devices just dont seem to get along if other devices on your PCI buss are hogging bandwidth! This can be fixxed, although Goldenmean has actually been through the entire spectrum with me and for some reason, nothing is helping. And I might add lastly that some audio recording applications just dont seem to be able to cope with adjusting the buffers properly. I have seen it in many applications such as Fruity Loops and a few others were there is just no getting around it. They dont want to co-exist with the audio interfaces panel settings.
Lastly, for those who have not tried switching their devices to ASIO, I highly recomend doing so. It will solve some major headaches with the latency and popping issue's. If you cant get a good ASIO driver from your audio interface maker try the ASIO4all it has helped many get atheir interfaces running when they had given up all hope.
www.asio4all.com
Jun 26, 2006 06:19 pm wontdieinPA, have you tried mixing it down to a stereo mix and seeing if it is still there. IF not try it, if the pop is still there you may be able to nail it down and see it.
Jun 26, 2006 06:56 pm [qoute]Midi does not cause pops or clicks! Midi is just plain data going to the software or hardware synth.[/qoute]
My point exactly. The fact that when I play the MIDI tracks through a DXi and get pops/clicks in the un-recorded sound playing live proves that it is not in an audio wave or anything else related. It points the problem at the card or settings related to it only, in my situation. Through process of elimination this counts out anything in the DAW like conflicting sample rates etc.
Also, I personally only have this one audio PCI card and no other PCI expansion installed. Only a PCIe 256mb video card, so that should have plenty of memory to run itself and not interfere with performance like onboard would. But the Double Dawg things seems interesting, I will look into that and just the overall concept of fixing the PCI speed. I will also look into the ASIO driver Noize.
Jun 26, 2006 06:57 pm oops messed up my quote lol
Jun 28, 2006 12:48 pm well...somehow...i accidentally clicked this button that turned on this little thing called "delay compensation" or something like that it stopped and everything runs fine....i really dont understand...however im leaving for the studio to move stuff to higher ground...as the area in which we are located is expected to flood thanks to susquehanna river and all this rain...its chaos here....
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