Apr 21, 2006 02:21 pm its hard to tell from the mp3s about the mix. it sounds alright though. which one of those people is you walt?
Need new ears on this one. Mine are fried! Spilling Blood
Posted on Apr 21, 2006 12:04 pm
Walt
Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
Member Since: May 10, 2002
I'm not sure I'm even hearing it anymore!
The quickest way I have found to get to it is to click on my profile below then click on music in profile.
The name of the band is EXIT. This piece will be on our second album, title TBD, sufice to say for now 'Next EXIT'. Piggers of us being cool and 'rock like' can be seen at www.exit-band.net
If you have time please do comment. Again, after 2.5 kabillian listens it all gets fuzzy!
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Apr 21, 2006 02:21 pm its hard to tell from the mp3s about the mix. it sounds alright though. which one of those people is you walt?
Apr 21, 2006 02:26 pm guitar sounds kind of muddy I think at parts, and you can barely hear it. If that's what you're going for cool. Nice mix overall, I like the vocals. I think they may be overpowering though.
Apr 22, 2006 01:08 am Hey buddy, was-up? SpillingBloodV8, is that the one? I will give it a good listen tommorrow afternoon and let ya know.
Stopped by and checked out the band site quick, nice hat. :-)
Flame, Walt is the one in the hat. Go to the bands website and there is a good pic of him relaxing in a hammock playing bass.
Nice yard by the way Walt. Dont be such a stranger, we miss ya.
Noize
Apr 22, 2006 04:23 am Tanks guys for the replies. It's always good to get a few set of ears on a project.
Yup; been awhile since I could visit on any regular basis. Still a bit rough. It seems I either have no work or so much I can't keep up with it. That hat was Sandy's Grandfathers. A local promoter told us to adopt the "Soprano's' look for the band. I don't watch TV so to me it just looks like four thugs. But hey, if it sells music and shows....CooL!
Loki, The concept is a caotic blend with a heavy back beat. As far as the vox, the verdict is out. One promoter wants them more 'out front' other folks like yourself think they may be a bit much. The Vox where difficult. Jim can light up most any room and instantly sound like he is in a box. Had to borrow a local school's gymnasium to get him out of the box...so to speak.
Anywho, will try to get 'out' here more often. Finally came up with the cash to go pro once-a-mora! Been a rough couple of years.
Apr 22, 2006 11:02 am Overall the mix sounds to me like everything is competing with each other to be heard. The vocal level seems about right to me though. I guess the best way to describe what I hear is a live stereo recording done in an auditorium, it has that kind of distant sound. Not that the mix is bad mind you just if your going for a live performance sound vs studio sound your pretty close. :) Lowering the organ some would probably help let the other things be heard better.
Good to see back around thes parts Walt!
Dan
Apr 22, 2006 04:33 pm Hey Walt, how did you apply the reverbs, on the overall mix or individual parts? I am gonna have to give it a better listen a little louder then I just did. But I am wondering if the reverb might be causing what OD is hearing.
Nice direction you guys went with this. Definately an interesting tune, nicely arranged I might add. Straight ahead kinda rockin tune. Great lyrics as well.
The intro is interesting as well. But I will definately give it a couple more listens and let ya know what I think.
Noize
Apr 23, 2006 01:54 am Thanks OD. Yea, the middle range is a definate blend of sounds. There is no single part that is interseting enough to bring out in this arrangement. There are three guitar parts that are blended to make the 'undercurrent'.
Noise, I used verb only on the kit and vox. Moving toward the looming drum feel maybe like Korn or something. I feel the Vox need to be fairly heavely verbed as well to keep the 'mystic' feel to the piece. The keys 'font' comes standard with plenty elongated overtones right out of the keyboard. I'm really leary about slathering the whole piece with verb as I don't want to loose the tight bass that really holds the thing down in time. But I'm open to suggestion of course as it really is hard for me to even hear any changes after playing and listening to the thing so many times.
Apr 23, 2006 01:43 pm Hey Walt, I now have 2 recordings tittled The Faithfull Fallen, whats up with that? The older one is from Sept. of 2005 and is a differant tune. Did you just change the working title for the new one?
Ya, what I was getting at is if you have seperate reverbs they may be fighting each other causing what OD described above. I got to listen good now today, a bit louder. It does sound like that may be the case indeed. I agree that reverb on the overall mix will wreck the feel of it. And you dont want to loose that tight bass sound you have driving the piece along, that is for sure. Nice bass part by the way, 2 thumbs up on that!
Did you use the same reverb and settings on the drums and vocals? I can here a real nice tail on the drums and that does indeed sound pretty good, real large. It seperates it nicely from the rest of the mix. I think the vocal verb might do with a bit of change, maybe something with a little bottom end EQ on it. What reverb pluggin are you using?
I guess what I am getting at is does not sond bad at all times, there are just some spots where you can here the mesh of the 2 reverbs and they fight ever so slightly. It is mostly the tails as it rings out when it seems to be the most present. AS OD stated it is definately the midrange where this is happening. IF you listen closely you can hear it eat up the guitars when everything overlaps.
I wouls suggest either a slight EQ change on the guitars during those times, or as I said above, try and find a reverb with a slightly differant EQ to it. OR you can mess with the EQ yourself if the pluggin allows it. Try to tailor the tail of the reverb on the vocal part to eliminate the littel fight when both verbs cross each other.
And I as well agree the keys have a very haunting feel to them. But as you said, they have a very thickly washed verb over them out of the box so that isnt going to be easily fixed up. Maybe a bit of EQ to help sort it out there as well.
Anyway, I love the tune and arrangement as I said above. I'd love to see that one live in a bar for sure.
Apr 24, 2006 02:18 am Ya got me confused on the 'Faithfull Fallen' thing as well. We only did one song with that title. Hmmmmm?
I truely appreciate the ear on the verb. It's a little late tonight, but tomorrow I will give it a close listen with that in mind and see if I can catch it. I'm using true verb of WaveLab origin. I'm not real savy with all of the adjustements as of yet so I probably do have some 'clustering' going on at least. I really would love to hook up some time and a bar gig would do the trick. We have backed off of bar gigs for a bit for the present. We have a fund-raiser comming up and a heritage festival for a burb of detroit comming up as well. We were going to open for Peter Frampton, but the board dumped Peter because they thought he would not draw a big enough crowd. So now we have no idea who we will open for. Go figgure? I think the last auto worker is moving out next week and he is planning to turn out the lights. Who knows, maybe we'll open for Howlen Dawg and the Pack in Heat?
Regardless, we'll put on our thug outfits and rock up a storm.
Thanks again for the tips. I'll get back to you after I get a chance to scope it out and see if I can do anything with it!
Apr 24, 2006 08:55 pm I think trueverb allows adjusting the EQ slightly. Although it has been ages since I have used it. I might open it in the next couple of days and have a look see.
Frampton, not draw a crowd. Gimme a break, the guys still sells out the big venues here. I would assume it is the same there. Sounds to me like someone had a bad girlfriend memory realated to a Frampton tune and decided to get everybody to dis him.
Howlen Dawg and the Pack in Heat? Sounds interesting enough to me.
Apr 26, 2006 09:04 am Hey Walt, welcome home :-)
I am listening on headphones at work, so take that into consideration of my opinion. I really liked the space the vocals were sitting in, slightly airy, but not overly so, very nice texture. The rhythm guitar and bass seem to be battling in the mids/lows a bit but not bad. I like the drum level, but then later in the tune a cymbal bell or something (again, listening in phones) comes in just a touch loud it seemed to me.
Overall, great tune, good vocals, nice mix...I wish I could mix vocals like that.
Apr 26, 2006 09:54 am Hey Walt, no comment on the mix... just wanted to say 'Hi' and it's good to see y'a around again .
Lem'me know when that gig is so I can catch it !
Apr 26, 2006 11:34 am Noise,... I agree with you, sounds like bagage to me!
dB, Just glad to be back, sorry it took awhile, hated to let it lapse but pickens got a little slim for a bit. And I wouldn't doubt your right about the ride, I can't hear well up there and I am trusting the guy that played it for the most part....obvious margin for error. The fiddle and the fish battle is something I am thinking about. Not sure if I want to retain the fiddle's low end and open it up for the fish or not. But with your comment I am starting to sway toward opening it up a little more.
Hue, Common Dude!
I can't believe you don't have something to donate? We only have two bookings at present. One is a fund raiser and quite frankly too pricy for the gig. The other is in July for the Heritage festival in TaylorTuckey. That's the one that Peter was going to do. I will post them both real soon on the web site under [On Stage].
Well, gotta run! PL&H/ all!
Apr 26, 2006 12:08 pm Cool bud ! I would've listened/commented, but I'm moving my office today... big fun !
Apr 27, 2006 10:41 pm Hue, moving the office. Indeed fun, not! I start on the revamp of the room here this weekend. The new big bookcase comes in 2 weeks. Then it is time to start moving some vinyl out of the room the drums are in. Then one of the racks gets relocated. I'm gonna hate that, but I think I have figured out a snakable solution so I'll only have to run to the speakers from the amps out of that one. But it means new wires need to be built for the near fileds. The large formats allready have cables long enough.
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