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May 15, 2002 10:55 am dude, that's pretty cool, erie, but cool, I like the echoy drums and soft voice, you should put a chorus or double track the voice to add some more eriemess to it, kinda like the Doors did on the parts of "Ridars on the storm, on track spoken, one track whispered...that was a totally cool effect, I think it would work well in this tune, or something similar.
MSHARCMember
Since: Apr 05, 2002
May 15, 2002 02:46 pm Hey, I listened to that several times. My critiques are few and probably more toward the song itself rather than production, because overall all I think it sounds good. The only thing I noticed recording wise was that about 35 secs in, there is what sounds almost like a keyboard type acordian that I think could use a little more reverb. It sounds a little out of place with the overall feel of the song. dB is right in that it is eerie. Given what the subject matter is I think I can understand. My only suggestion is that it needs some type of climax. Although I am not really one for rules and I like when they are broken, the song feels as if it is going to come to a really almost "rage" part and it never happens. I think you could acomplish it several ways, using the vocals would be one, a really "hard" part or something with even more edge. Bringing in another instrument would work too, maybe a really almost heavily distorted guitar would be what I am tihnk would work too. Overall I like. Production wise I think it comes across really well. I don't really want to compare it and insult you, but it has a real Marlyn Manson feel, maybe just the dark sound is what I am thinking of, maybe that is why I expect to hear something harder come in. I think its really cool though, I could see myself listening to that, especially in a really pissed off mood. I think that is really the test for music, does it make you feel something. May be a simple test, but if music can cause an emotion or feeling than I believe its good. I definitely get a feeling. Right on.
Marc (da Sharc)
May 15, 2002 03:00 pm ya, I can see that, it kinda makes you wait on the edge for you to loose it and start freaking out... :)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
May 16, 2002 12:06 am I need to listen to it some more, but from one listen all I can say is YIKES. That gave me the willy's, and I mean that in a good way. I think if I listen more tonight, I won't sleep. I hear the tone, almost claranet like, that Marc is refering to. Do you have a filter you can run it through? That is a kool tone, it just need's to be fattened up a bit. But maybe not, the question is, are you happy with that tone. It does bring a very disturbing moment as it come's in and then goes away. The whole thing has an almost eastern feel to it and then that feeling fades too as the vocal reading progresse's. Again may I say, very kool indeed. Remind's me of the direction I took after I was turned onto Tangerine Dream. I will listen more tommorrow. I would listen to a whole disk of material like that.
May 16, 2002 12:50 am very cool. glad you thought the production was cool. i learned most, if not all of it from here and messing around on my own.
as for the suggestions, im going to try them all out tomorrow and see how it affects the track and make a couple changes and see what you all think then.
im pretty happy with the track overall right now. perhaps these small tweaks are what its needing to complete it.
the feedback is greatly appreciated.
May 16, 2002 01:24 pm ok the reverb on the claranet definitely helped bring it down into the mix.
the chorus on the vox caused a bit of problems.. simply because i have a slight delay on them already. still working on that though to see if i can time it right.
May 16, 2002 01:29 pm don't chorus it, try just duplicating the track and having two tracks of the same thing and process them a little differently, maybe pitchbending one down a step or to to get that low, demonic sound...
MSHARCMember
Since: Apr 05, 2002
May 16, 2002 03:31 pm I have been lsitening to that song a few more times to think of anything else that I think might be helpful, and I still think that something added in the chorus to give it more power would help. There is already a repetitve drum beat and sort of rhythm. Dunno, I just feel like something that would help distinguish it more as the chorus would lend something good to it. Just a thought.
Marc (da Sharc)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
May 16, 2002 10:48 pm So it really was a claranet? I just took a stab, it sounded like it but you never know with synth's today. By the way, what synth did you use for the main line, it sound's very analog?
May 17, 2002 04:07 am not a claranet.. actually it was a viola. that string part was done on the korg x5d. the synth line [and almost all my synthlines] come from the korg ms2000.
i love that synth and the rack is dirt cheap right now. my synths are either the ms2000 or if i go software its usually a native instruments fm7.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
May 19, 2002 11:49 am Thats rihgt, I forgot that you had the 2000.
Jun 20, 2002 08:52 pm about to have another new track for you all to give a listen to. im thinking it should be done by tonight.
Jun 21, 2002 05:18 am groovy, pass it on Homeboy...I should have a Flash for this website done soon that of course has an original score in it :-)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 21, 2002 09:42 pm I await with eager an.....tisa.....pation!
Jun 22, 2002 12:54 pm www.failinglife.com/uec/c...[collapsed].mp3
im sure ill end up tweaking the track a bit more.. still not entirely satisfied with the intro either.. but the rest of it i believe is done.
lemme know what you think.
Jun 24, 2002 08:01 pm *bump*
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 25, 2002 11:33 pm *bump* ??????????
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 26, 2002 12:07 am First listen, I love the kick. It punche's you right in the head and force's you to listen harder for the rest. It sound's like a lot going on, with a very minimal amount of instrument's. there is no wasted sound being buried, everything is very clear and has its place.
I like the intro, but I would like to listen more and see if I can figure out what you don't like about it. It is very subtle, but it let's the drum catch you by surprize when it come's in.
More later, after I listen a bit more.
Otherwise I like it a lot.
Jun 26, 2002 02:51 am ah yea.. the bump is just a way to push the thread up to the attention of whoever is reading at the moment =)
after listening to the intro a bit more myself.. i think its quite fitting for the track.
thanks for the feedback on it. =)
Jul 03, 2002 12:39 am anyone else have any thoughts on this track? figure it might have just got overlooked with all the new threads lately.
Jul 03, 2002 12:26 pm Dude, you are single handedly almost making me like techno music...well does a little too :-)
The intro I would have given a more synthetic "heartbeat" type sound rather than as "bubbly" as it is, especially on the one beat that has the subtle backbeat ahead of it...sorry for the lousy sound descriptions, that is all I can think of at the moment.
Again, nice work dude.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jul 03, 2002 04:50 pm Hey, just an added comment from my last. I listened to it loud last night on the big speaker's. It seem's once it get's to a more stereo or PA like system, with some tone control behind it. The intro synth stand's out a little more. I guess I am partial to the synth note (a saw wave I believe) fading in maybe for about 3 to 4 second's before the other note line and first kick start. I should say leave it the length it is but fade it in quickly, not such a adrupt start.
Sep 01, 2002 02:47 pm back again with another new track for checking out and feedback.
www.failinglife.com/uec/c...-%20control.mp3
all feedback will be greatly appreciated =)
just a warning: its a loud track with 1 bad word hehe.
el musicoFreeleance Producer/Engineer/GtrMember
Since: Aug 11, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 03:30 pm i like what i hear, but i really can't get into it right now due to me listening to this in a cubicle at intel without my headphones... hehe. however i will listen to them with my gear to get a better idea of what you're doing. i love local/underground music so keep me posted on whats new. oh yeah... do you mind if i put my 2 cents into the mix? i have some ideas that you might like and can use if you do. if yes then give me a day or 2 to post a link to what i did. ok?
Sep 01, 2002 03:55 pm sure thing. feedback is always appreciated. being one person, i can only think in one mindset hehe. plus im way to close to the song to get a fresh look at it.
so as i said.. bring the feedback hehe =)
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 01, 2002 06:19 pm Did someone crank up their Magneto plug or what? I like the vocal distortion, ala Ministry. The chorus section get's a little over the top, or busy, for a second, but then you bridge out to the verse with a bit quietness. Your track's alway's seem to catch me off gaurd for the first listen or two. Then when I think I found everthing you've got in there, I switch to my big speaker's, and viola, there is something else in there. You make good use of the synth's you have, and seem to have fresh sound's with each new track.
Keep going, and was it Magneto or not?
Sep 02, 2002 12:47 pm actually i hardly ever use that plugin, despite how good it is hehe.
all vocals gets run through my tube preamp, and i do run the tubes hard on it =)
all my guitar goes through my distortion pedal into my zoom processor and then into the comp.
for the synths.. generally, i create new patches for each track.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 02, 2002 08:59 pm So you got the distortion on the vocal's with just the tube pre? It sound's way to tweaked, not tube!
Sep 02, 2002 10:37 pm for that song.. during the verses, there are three vocal tracks.
one straight up the middle, run through my preamp and my zoom [effect: heavy phaser]
one hard right, run through the preamp and zoom [effect: doubler]
one hard left, run through just the preamp..
the oktava and the preamp i have love each other. produce some of the warmest sounding tones ive heard.
flame...bringing sexy backMember
Since: Jul 01, 2002
Sep 05, 2002 03:10 pm wow...thats some good feedback, im just downloading it now based on that...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Sep 05, 2002 11:42 pm I don't know what it is, but I love my Oktava. I finally got a chance to use it with my vocoder, and I must say. It is a very differant tone then I have ever had come out of the vocoder. The Oktava just seem's to have such a warm presence that cannot be described, it just has to be heard. I am looking for another older one like the one I have.
Oct 08, 2002 03:14 am www.failinglife.com/uec/c...%20[lyrics].mp3
theres the link to my newest track. i tried to post it to the members music area.. but i believe i exceeded the # of allowed characters for that section hehe.
track started of as an instrumental.. i changed up some sounds and added lyrics. feel free to leave comments. its always appreciated.
Oct 08, 2002 04:36 am wow. LOL the voices, god i didnt realize it was in the recording at first. the song starts off so minimalist and typical, the finale with the chicks is just out of this world. what can you tell us about those samples? please tell me they are original. its sounds so cool. -j
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Oct 08, 2002 09:09 am great stuff Collapse, man , I wish i lived in your area , you work and good spirit are one of a kind , ever think of moving to CA . Good tunes man , keep em comming .
Oct 08, 2002 02:37 pm thanks for the feedback you two =)
for the samples.. i wish they were original as well.. but theyre not. i found them on an online archieve of nothing but sounds. you can look at you want, and listen to low quality samples.. but they wont let you download or hear the high quality ones unless you purchase the samples.
Oct 08, 2002 04:18 pm thats still really cool. man i got these samples on my minidisc last week of this chick playing with her dog down at the river, calling him and making cute little noises at him, man it sounds just like she's climaxing!
Oct 08, 2002 06:47 pm hahah thats funny. yea you can find samples and audio textures in the strangest places. you just have to have your ears open to recognize them.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 09, 2002 08:40 pm You seem to be getting good control of your software. I like the FX on your vocal, it kind of buries itself yet is still defined enough to understand. The part with the harpsichord type sound might sound a bit better set back in the mix just a bit, and I mean just a tiny bit. Although the only place it was really to much was in the headphone's. I loved the voice's overlayed like a busy bus station or something. And the girl crying was set perfectly behind it all, you really did a good job with that sample. Over all I loved the minimalist touch of it all. You seem to have a way with getting the most out of even the simplest of instrumentation. The cymabal hit's at the end out could maybe use a little gate that progressivly shuts down tighter with each hit to make them fit the fade out better.
All I can say is you just keep getting better as you go. I would definately have that stuff in my CD rotation in the car.
Oct 10, 2002 02:37 pm thanks noize. i went through and listened a few more times and made some minor tweaks. i think it did improve the flow a little bit more.
i do have one question to ask.. what can i do to further improve the audio quality of the tracks? i think it sounds good but i know it can sound better. it doesnt quite have that "ive been recorded in a $3 billion studio" sound heheh. any advice?
this music is not a hobby for me and im doing what i can to see if some label someplace is interested in it.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 10, 2002 09:35 pm That's obvious, when yo listen to your stuff. I personally think you are doing a very professional job of getting your track's together.
Did you re-upload the newest version of the mix to the link yet. If so, I will go get it and give another listen, or maybe 10 listen's.
Like we have said B4, it is difficult to really tell listening to an mp3. I do have an advantage though, becuase my player's are set up with pluggin's to help bring back what the mp3 conversion squeeze's out. And I can alway's juice it with outboard gear (like my BBE 822A). That can help bring back the sonic' part's missing, and maybe give me a better grip on what you got there. Other wise, I do go onto ICQ or AIM and do file tranfer's all the time with other client's. We could set up a time to get online together and you can shoot me the 2 track audio file without squeezing it into mp3 and loosing quality.
Let me know.
Oct 10, 2002 11:20 pm ill re-upload the tweaked version now. give it about 10 minutes and it should be up.
the link in the members music section will still be correct.
as far as online. i leave my im programs open 24/7, so whatever works for you.
hmm 2 track audio.. i only have 1 track (wav). tell me what im doing wrong here and ill see if i can correct this.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 10, 2002 11:30 pm No, I just mean the stereo mix of the wav file. That way it is not compressed and wacked by the mp3 program. When you compress to mp3, you loose the top and the bottom end. In most case's it is not to severe. Your'e mp3's turn out pretty good, but it is still ot as good and audible as the wav file itself.
I will be back on tommorrow night, I gotta get some sleep now or Ill be a crabby SOB tommorrow. I forget what time zone your in???? I am central time, but am usually up all night on the weekend's. I think ICQ tranfer's file's faster then AIM, so we should try that.
Oct 10, 2002 11:46 pm works for me man. and yea im in central time as well. ill look for you on sometime tomorrow.
ok then im doing it right hehe i knew i had left and right channels but i was wondering if maybe there was some other file i should be creating as well hehe. theres enough file types out there.
hopefully ill have acid 4 by then as well hehe. i love new gear/software.
Posted on May 15, 2002 04:24 am
