Opinions on this drum sample please..
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Posted on Mar 12, 2006 12:52 pm
jimmyboy
Member Since: Sep 08, 2005
Here is a short sample from some drums i recorded over the weekend.Please note that i dont have the best gear in the world so i wont be able to get an amazing sound anyway.
I had to record the drums through my mixer as one track so i adjusted the volumes on the mixer before recording. I just want any sugguestions as to how i can enhance the sound.
Have a listen and tell me what you think!
www.myfilehut.com/userfiles/8636/drumsample.mp3
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 12, 2006 03:13 pm Not too bad really, brass was a little loud but without music mixxed in its hard to tell.
How did you have your mic's set up to record. Then we can give you a bit of advice to work with the set up you have.
One thing would be compression on the kick and snare if you can seperate them a little.
Mar 12, 2006 04:19 pm well the bass drum was the kick pad from my electronic kit. the it was 4 mics on drums (snare+toms) and 2 overheads.
thanks for listening
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 12, 2006 05:02 pm OK, then I guess I would try and compress the snare and kick sounds if you can isolate them enough. You should try and record the kick sound and snare sound to their own tracks so you can compress them seperately. The snare could use a pretty good dose of compression to give it some real punch as well the kick can use the same.
The toms sounded OK, but again use your judgement as to if they fit in with the rest of the kit's sound.
Experiment a little with the settings for the compressor in your software adn you should be able to find something that will bring them to life. They are both a little on the weak side as they are.
Then once those are set to your liking you can mix them into the rest of the drums tracks and you should be OK.
Mar 12, 2006 06:24 pm thanks for the tips
Mar 12, 2006 08:57 pm What he said. And just to clarify, that snare clipped every time it was struck. Simple to fix if you have the snare mic on its own track. Compression is going to help everything out. The cymbals are airy, probably because of the room you're recording in. Again, compression will help that. If you find you're not getting better results, consider using fewer mics and different configurations. I've had experiences where overheads have masked major issues with other dedicated mics.
Having only one recording track is going to limit you greatly when it comes to drums. Good job and good luck!
Mar 13, 2006 09:04 am Thanks for the advice guys. I pretty happy with it for a first time “seriously” recording drums. I know there is a lot of room for improvement but its only the start!
Regarding compression, this is something I have not done before because I cant seem to get any vst plugins to work with cooledit pro. I have downloaded some free compression plugins (I think one of them was call fish bones or something like that) and I pasted the files into my VStplugin file on my C drive but the don’t seem to appear in cooledit pro. Is there any sort of compression programme that can operate as an independent programme instead of a plugin that you operate via-cooledit pro (or other software). Hopefully that’s not to confusing!
Thanks again, your all very helpful!
Mar 13, 2006 06:48 pm ?
Mar 13, 2006 06:57 pm Have you looked for any DirectX compressor plugs? Maybe CEP doesn't support VST, I dunno for sure...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 13, 2006 08:31 pm Look in the Dynamics Processing functions. That may be where you will find a compressor effect. I cant find anyplace that states if it uses Direct X or VST.
I wonder if it uses its own proprietary DSP modules like Pro Tools or the like.
PharicMember
Since: Mar 09, 2006
Mar 14, 2006 06:11 pm Just took a listen to the recording. Not too bad, compression possibly a gate would help out alot. The kick sounds pretty good maybe a little bit more bottom end would work out good. The toms are nice, great depth. The snare, is clipping and distorting so it's really hard to distinguish what needs to be done with that besides turn it down. The brass, sounds crisp but to high in the mix until you goto the bell on the ride.
Recommendations:
1) Use a click track that you can listen to while you tracking your drums, this will help with timing and keep things tight.
2) Bring the meter down a touch, try not to redline the VU
3) when you hit your cymbals, try to use a little less of the shank of the drum stick. It sounds like your using wood-tip 2b's. Possibly go down a size or two, possibly 5b's, something a little thinner and a tad shorter. Hit the crashes in a left to right, or right to left motion off center versus a 90 hitting them in the center at 90 degrees.
4) Get more shank on the snare hits, will "pop" more but won't be over bearing.
As far as the drum sticks are concerned, you should be blistering ruffly the center of the snare drum stick and chewing up the high-hat stick about 2" to 3" from the tip.
What kind of heads are you using also on the kit?
Pharic
www.freakattraction.com
Mar 18, 2006 10:48 am im using remo head.the sticks are 7a's.
thanks for the tips guys!
