Posted on Oct 26, 2005 11:42 am
Member Since: May 10, 2005
Well, I just got a TC Helicon Voiceworks and, well, I am an idiot. I thought it did voice modeling (i dont know why, it didnt say it did that anywhere). So, now I stuck with a tool that will give me awesome back up vocals and my lead vocals still suck. It will do somethings to my lead like pitch correction.
Is there anything out there to use for good lead vocal effects and modeling, like rasp, that isnt too expensive? I just want to record normal rock songs. I have a computer based system, but am still pretty new to this and I suck with most software aps. I am using Adobe Audition for my mixing. I will take any suggestions, but hopefully there is a cheap piece of hardware out there.
While I am asking questions, I have another (and this will really give away how far over my head I am with this stuff). On my voice works, I need to program what scale I am singing in. How do I know what scale I am singing in. I know only very little about scales, but I am willing to take the time to learn all of this stuff. Thanks!
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Oct 26, 2005 12:04 pm hmmmm i can't say i've ever messed with vocal processing that deep....honestly, in most modern generas of music, the vocals are the most important track (and therefore mixed way on top of everything)....listeners ears are naturally tuned to the human voice, and therefore we are most sensitive to this frequency range, if you're wanting to complety change your voice into "someone else" it's gonna be real trickey to make it "believable"....ya could get by with it in alotta electronic based music, but IMHO "normal rock" needs to be raw.....if anything, just add some distortion (careful with this one).....if you're not happy with your voice, some ear training www.ossmann.com/bigears/, and vocal exersizes, can go a LONG way.....everyone is capable of 'singing'....like anything else, ya just gotta lern the techniques, and practice.
too often i'm asked to work miracles because "you can do anything with digital" but really there is no magic box or effect that'll fix everything by itself.....i'm not sure if Antares (sp?) Auto-Tune comes in hardware form. but that's a good pitch corrector.
Oct 26, 2005 12:17 pm Cool, I see what you are saying. I am just trying to do the one man band thing in my spare bed room. My singing voice is ok, but when i play it back it just sounds so boring and empty. It sounds like I am just some teenage kid singing into a kareoke machine. I think with the money i have invested into gear, i should be able to do better.
I guess i am not really trying to change my voice persay, just trying to do something with it. As I have no experience with recording, I just dont know where to start.
Oct 26, 2005 12:25 pm sounds like you need practice mixing....that's what really makes your recordings shine, you want the tracks to 'blend' with eachother into one sound...reverb (depth), compression (volume), and eq (tone) are the three most important for layering.
you're lookin' at atleast a years learning curve, and what ever extra money you can find to throw at learning about this stuff....as a hobby it can be fun, but if you're on a quest for sonic perfection, and thinkin' about dooin' it for a living, it's gonna take alot more money and time.
ya gotta kinda weigh out where you wanna be on that line. it is possibe to get "pro" quality for cheap, but ya gotta know what to look (listen) for....and that takes time to learn.
commin' here has helped me tons
Oct 26, 2005 12:32 pm Yeah, I am totally doing this as a hobby, but I still want to make my stuff sound really good. I know my biggest problem is just lack of experience. I litterly just started (half the gear I bought isnt even here yet). As of right now, all I really know how to do is make my computer record exactly what I am playing or singing. I dont know how to do anything with the track once I see it there in front of me on my screen. From what I have read on here, my Adobe Audition is pretty decent and can do alot of stuff. I just dont know what to look for. I guess I need to read a book or something.
Oct 26, 2005 12:33 pm There is no substitute for a decent vocalist...effects and processing can only do so much.
Oct 26, 2005 12:37 pm Well, like I said before...my vocals arent too bad. I can sing in key and the actual sound of my voice isnt too bad, but i know that all of those pros have stuff done in the studio to make them sound the way they do. If I had to put a name on the sound I am going for it would be Chad Kroger of nickelback.
Oct 26, 2005 12:39 pm mixing and, less importantly, mastering my friend...get 'ta readin'....that's what you're lookin' for.
Oct 26, 2005 12:40 pm If the vocalist is decent there isn't much done to them outside of EQing, adding some reverb and compression and other such dynamics to fit it into the mix...of course people like Ashlee Simpson is another story...
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