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i belive that everyone heard this story before... there are these young guys that start a band, and it's going quite good. in some time they want to record so that they won't forget their songs with the time passing. it seemed pointless to record on a tape recorder from a single mic, because you don't hear anything anyways besides drums. so they borrow some mics, a power mikser, wisit one members uncle who records his radio auditions in his house, and equip their PC with uncle's Sonar, an borrowed 3 mics from a local music store, toping it with 3 more of their own...

that's how we recorded one track, to see if we can handle the process. there where some hums (i think i'll make a sample to show what i mean) but we just loved it the way it was. each instrument to one track, so we can play with levels and stuff. the only problem is that we recorded the drums on one (i repeat ONE track)on a basic soundcard. and didn't managed to get them right in the first place. the kick drum is kinda' not visible in harder moments. so what we thought was: we need some more equipement, we have to do it better :] we wan't to record the drums in multiple tracks, and still want to do it cheap. i gues that recording 4 track drums will do seperating them into: kick drum, snare and hi-hat, toms, overheads (more on how we micked the drums on the first take, below). i did some reading on the internet, HRC mainly, and came with a list of something like this:

1) MAYA 44USB
2) TASCAM M-208
3) at least 6 mics (i was thinking about some cheap behringers, or shures, nothing fancy for now)
4) build our own monitors :p

A1) i thought about this sound card mainly because it has 4 analog inputs, which if i'm correct will allow us to record 4 tracks in a single take (drums). and i can get one for up to 115$

A2) 8x in, 8x direct out, 4 subgroups with UV meters, out for headphones, and (by words of some) a warm, analog sound. i think that it would match MAYA. and can get them from 100$ to 200$ :]

A3) we did the firs recording on : 2xSM58(snare hi-hat, 1xaudix (for kick drum), 3x cheap shures (tom1, tom2, overhead-one for both ride and crash). came out pretty good. just thought that some cheap behringers or shures might have saved us some money to buy a kick drum dedicated mic. i'm already thinking about four SM57, two small condenser mics, and a Beta 52, but the cash is short :/

A4) found an article about this on HRC, so why not save some money :]

can anyone give us some advice if this set is ok, or what someone would change here. thanks!

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Aug 19, 2005 01:39 am

one neat thing about SONAR is that it has this thing called "extract timing" it will place a midi note whenever an auio tracks volume exceeds a certain threshhold I use this in SONAR 2.2 as drum triggers particularly on kick ...which greatly clean up mixs

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Aug 19, 2005 07:21 am

i'll have to read about this. i actualy don't use midi sounds. i'm more concentrated right now on pure audio recording. the thing that i am most afraid of is that MAYA will not work as i predicted it, and we'll not be able to record 4 tracks in a single take. please will someone clear this case for me.

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Aug 19, 2005 07:38 am

Sounds to me like as long as you use ASIO 4 inputs should work just fine. AudioTrak is a division of ESI, and those guys write top notch drivers for sound cards, so I would think it should work as planned.

Just my $.04 (inflation and all ya know)

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Aug 19, 2005 12:16 pm

And how about the routing of the drums? the four groups that i did? i haven't recorded anything like that yet, and i don't know what will it give me in the mixing process. for what it's worth it should give me some control shouldn't it?

Prince CZAR-ming
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Since: Apr 08, 2004


Aug 19, 2005 12:56 pm

seems like it'll do pretty well. You could use 6 mics, and have them come out from the mixer as 4 signals (all the maya will take at once). Or you could use 4 mics and have each one separate.

Lots of recordings are done with 1 kick, 1 snare/hihat, and 2 overheads. Even two can do a very good job, with good preparation.

If you'd like to remove bleed from one mic to another, you can EQ out unwanted frequency from each channel on the mixer, like drop the highs from the kick mic, drop the lows from the overheads, etc.

As far as mics, shure 57 and/or 58 are good for micing the drums. They're used all over the place.

Hello to South Poland, btw. Cool to see more countries getting involved with HRC. Welcome.

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Aug 19, 2005 01:04 pm

I think I'd just separate the kick and snare mics to their own tracks and mix the rest into a nice stereo image for the other two tracks.

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Aug 21, 2005 10:59 am

well i thought about 6 mics mainly because our drumer plays really heavy and often uses ride or crash for simple rythm playing. so when we rocorder 4 mics it was like the toms would be made out of cardboard (silent as hell, and thats just not good), and the ride/crash was just to loud. i know that we could use thinner ones than usual, but it's all about money :] it's just that i'd really could use the 5th input for separateing the snare and hi-hat, and in some parts add some reverb to the snare alone. in our music the drums are mainly played on the snare and hi-hat, but for more heavy parts it's all over the place, so everything needs to be really well miced. cheers!

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Aug 22, 2005 10:13 am

hey ! what about exchangeing MAYA for M-AUDIO - delta 66 ?

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Aug 22, 2005 10:16 am

Do you need the S/PDIF? If not, just get the Delta 44...same thing minus S/PDIF

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Aug 23, 2005 07:45 am

i think all i need are 4 ins ... what is the S/PDIF ? ... here is where the laughs come :]

Prince CZAR-ming
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Aug 23, 2005 10:00 am

digital input, some guitar processors, or drum machines can have digital output, that would plug into this input.

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Aug 23, 2005 10:04 am

It looks just like a standard RCA jack, except one S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) jack carried both left and right signals in one digital signal. Some carry up to 5.1. Very commonly seen on DAT decks and high end digital effects units.

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Aug 25, 2005 05:55 am

no need for that :]

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Aug 25, 2005 05:58 am

actually i've seen a POD emulation plugin in Sonar, so ... :]

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Aug 25, 2005 06:58 am

Yeah, there are a few amp modelers in software...Guitar Rig, GreenMachine and others.

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