Recording Help - General Setup - Newbie Question!

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Member Since: Jul 13, 2005

Hi there, I posted a question to your site a couple of weeks back and you guys replied same day which I was well imoressed about, thank you!

I have a new question to test you which is about my setup in general. I currently have all my equipment set up in my bedroom in a terraced house in the uk so noise must be kept to a minimum.

Basically i'm trying to hook up my guitar via my behringer v-amp so I can record the effects and the same with my TD8KV Electric Drum Kit (so I can record the effects. I have also just bought a Behringer 4700 headphone amp so we can all play in silence (excellent!) but......

My V-amp is current hooked up in the following way;

Aux1 from mixer to input of v-amp then direct outs of v amp to ins L & R of my comp interface then the L & R outs of my computer interface to the first two inputs on my mixer which works fine if I want the effects from the v-amp on all channels but I want to now include my TDKV drum kit without the v amp effects.

Ok the drum kit, I am also having problems recording the drum kit to Cubase SX. Is it possible for me to record the drums at the same time with just the drum effects?

I have got the MIDI cables working going from my kit direct into the midi ports of my comp interface. But after a little reading of your forums that, that will only take care of the hits etc.. but not the sound am I hooking this up wrong. The drum also has 2 1/4" Master outs (mono) and two 14" Direct outs do I have to hook these up aswell as the midi ports to get hits and the sounds recording?

Sorry to ask such a mish mash of questions, basically I want to know which is the best way to set up all my equipment?

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help,

Frustrated Rambo!

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Since: Apr 03, 2002

Jul 28, 2005 06:36 am

Hmmmm, not really sure I understand completely, but I got the jist...first, a mixer with extra subgroup busses would be nice. But, you don't have that so let's move on.

I think, if you 1212 has enough inputs (I forget how many it has) you should be able to run the vamp and the TDKV each into the sound card, and maybe just process the effects on the drums afterwards...perhaps?

Since: Jan 12, 2004

Jul 28, 2005 07:12 am

Hey Bud

I have the same housing situ as you - bummer eh!

Still, its all good with headphones.

With regards to the VAMP (I also have one), I'd run like this:


Use the effects on board the VAMP. There is also further configurations within the VAMP possible so you can record one channel with effects and 1 clean giving you options to add further sounds and effects on the unaffected channel later.

Not quite sure if thats what you're shooting for but its useful to know aboot hte VAMP...

Good luck anyway


Since: Jul 13, 2005

Jul 28, 2005 07:48 am

Hey guys! Thanks Savant and Coco for your replies, speedy as always!

The main problem is how would I go about recording both the TD8KV and my V-amp with there individual effects at the same time with only two analogue inputs on my 1212m. Can I use the Midi inputs for the TD8KV to record the sounds??

The 1212m has 2 x analogue ins and 2x analogue outs savant but currently both my ins are used by the Direct outs of the V-amp how would i connect the drums? L in = V-amp and R in = TD8KV?

Also I can't seem to record the drums at all, how do I record the the drums effects onto Cubase?

Do you think a new mixer or interface would be the best option? again sorry about the mish mash of questions kinda hard to explain everything I'm trying to find out!

Thanks for your help guys!

Since: Apr 03, 2002

Jul 28, 2005 07:51 am

MIDI I/O only records MIDI data, not audio. I am not sure, but the Vamp I don't believe separates into two distinct channels with different effects on each...considering your card limitations as well, both your tracks, in order to stay separated would be mono records, which is fine for guitar, but the drums would lose a lot being a mono image...

Yes, I always think a mixer with subgroup outs is bext, the 2442 would be good or the 1622.

Since: Jul 13, 2005

Jul 28, 2005 08:39 am


Call me a donut but how would the extra sub groups help?

Since: Apr 03, 2002

Jul 28, 2005 08:43 am

The sub outs makes it MUCH easier to isolate channels for recording while still running the full mixes back through your board...

Since: Jul 13, 2005

Jul 28, 2005 08:48 am

Rather than using the Aux Sends?

Since: Apr 03, 2002

Jul 28, 2005 08:50 am

Yes, I mean, the aux sends works, but they are meant to be used for effects and such. Regardless, that is not your immediate problem, so I digress.

Your immediate problem is you need the Vamp for the drums? Or, could you run the drum module straight into the computer and process any effects there?

Since: Jul 13, 2005

Jul 28, 2005 09:16 am


No I don't need the V amp for the drums that is one of my problems currently i'm getting v-amp effect on my drums?

But I can't seem to record my drums into Cubase what would be the best way of doing this? I think you said earlier "process the effects on the drums after" how do you do that?

Maybe if I get the drums sorted I will understand!

Thanks Savant your a hero!

Since: Apr 03, 2002

Jul 28, 2005 09:21 am

OK, well, here is the rub...IF you want to record both at the same time, each will be mono. Running the left and right out of each deivce (Vamp and TD8KV) into a single jack with a y adapter, then into left and right channels of your sound device, no mixer necessary...just run the outs of each to the sound the outs of your sound card straight to the amp/speakers, not back through the board.

Since: Jul 13, 2005

Jul 28, 2005 09:26 am


Ok I will give that a crack and see how I get on.

1 final question though, sorry dood!

Which outputs do I use for the drums the master outs or the direct outs? cuz I can't seem to get cubase to record them. I can see the audio coming into the cubase audio track but nothing will record?

Seriously Many Thanks


Since: Apr 03, 2002

Jul 28, 2005 09:27 am

master outs I think I would use...if you can see the levels in Cubase, but it's not recording, then the problem is with Cubase's config...I am a Sonar guy, so I can't help much there.

jimmie neutron
Since: Feb 14, 2005

Jul 30, 2005 09:40 am

say, rambo_79, if you've got the EMU 1212M, you could get yourself a Behringer ADA 8000 8 channel pre-amp with ADAT out/in and use that to gain 8 more XLR/Line inputs. It runs $230USD here in the 'States, don't know what it'd translate to there (couple days' wages?) (the price of a couple small mixers?). You'd use PatchMix as your mixer (yikes, I'm confused) - (I've got an 1820M)...

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