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Posted on Mar 12, 2005 10:07 pm
sticadokid
*sticado: short and LOUD!*
Member Since: Feb 25, 2005
i have fruity loops 4.0 and sonar 3 and also an RQ 2310 (but an older version). my band is wanting to record a CD but we dont have enough money for a studio. if i recall, someone on here said that if i can get the right equipment, is can get studio quality without the price of one.
my buget is limited to $468 (not much for a studio but good considering i have all the software). so i thing im going to go ahead and buy a presonus mic preamp, an MXL 990/991 condenser mic package, and i havent exactly decided on the sound card (or USB mixer if i can). im thinking maybe a tascam UB122, delta 1010lt, alesis 8UB, or anything else with XLR ins. I NEED at least 2 XLR ins and the rest to be 1/4".
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GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Mar 13, 2005 12:55 am That's great man , we all here are the "do it your self" type. on the sound card issue , I'm a big supporter of M-audio, and Have a 1010lt , good for the money, I also have an Omega from lexicon (if you were to go usb, and then you could skip buying the preamp) . I've not seen too many good reviews about the tascam model, so be carful. Are you going to be recording live drums , if so you will need the more in-puts, if not you can go with a smaller sound card/interface. A mixer would also be a good investment (but you don't need one) it just make recording easier .
Mar 13, 2005 05:48 am "if i recall, someone on here said that if i can get the right equipment, is can get studio quality without the price of one."
dont want to burst your bubble but this is very far from the truth. you could spend 10 times that amount of money and not get a "studio" sound. then once you get a nice preamp you will hate everything you ever recorded without it.
$468 could go a long way in a project studio with a qualified engineer. likewise $468 will buy you some stuff that sounds nothing like a real studio AND you still have to learn what you are doing.
LokiCone PokerMember
Since: Apr 07, 2002
Mar 13, 2005 07:00 am all it takes is practice and learning what you're doing. Some people here make kick butt music with just a soundblaster, free software, and an sm57
Josh RoseJR ProductionsMember
Since: Mar 03, 2005
Mar 13, 2005 08:07 am Ya these people are right. If you have a few months or so to read some books and test stuff to see how it works/sounds, you could make a decent sounding CD. Of course, as you gain more experience, your end result will sound much better. As far as sounding like a studio...maybe not, but at least you know that instead of blowing cash on one CD there, you could make as many demos, EPs, and full albums at your own house. Also, at the studio your paying by the hour. This means that you might feel rushed and although studio sound quality, the actual music might not sound good. But at a home studio, you can take all the time you want, so you'll get great music, with decent sound quality. It's your choice.
Mar 13, 2005 08:44 am Quote:
if i recall, someone on here said that if i can get the right equipment, is can get studio quality without the price of one.
Well that is kind of misleading, it's not only in the gear you have, it's also in the person using it. I have heard some crap sound come out of hi end studios, conversely I have also heard some great sound come out of small project studios, like Loki said, with a free software, a soundblaster and an SM57. It's more in the knowledge and creatvity of the person using it than it is in the actual gear.
That said, it is every bit possible to get a professional sound in a project studio when done properly. Don't let anyone piss on your parade, if you have the desire and are willing to take the time to learn how, it's very possible.
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Mar 13, 2005 12:41 pm Honestly, you can get really good sound out of mediocre equipment, the nice equipment just make it easier, in my opinion. If you have time to learn and experiment, you can ball on a budget.
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Mar 13, 2005 04:28 pm You can’t just plug into a PC and bam you're a recording engineer, it take time a lot off study. I've been seriously doing this for a few years now, about the "you can't get studio quality unless you're at a pro studio”, that's BS, I've bought new CD's made from places like the Hit factory and I was astounded at the pure crap recordings I was hearing. "Over compression comes to mind”, but on the flip side these nice studios do have the best equipment, with some of the greatest engineers and producers and do make good stuff. You can make a great album that rivals Pro studio CD's , it takes time to know the equipment , time to know a bit about recording and a great ear, to say you can is just, ignorant.
sticadokid*sticado: short and LOUD!*Member
Since: Feb 25, 2005
Mar 13, 2005 07:58 pm well over the past year and a half, ive been researching and obsessing over mixing and recording. i was so surprise 3 days ago when i caught my dad on full sail's website!:-D im not saying that i can or cant do anything but im going to try really hard at making every bit of every recording i do, sound professional.
yes, i am planning on doing live drums (im a drummer... i cant stand fake drums). my mixer has only two buses on it though (not including the left and right outs). i was thinking that i should try to put the cybals in 1 bus, toms in another, bass in the L and snare in the R.i have enough drum mics to mic every single thing (i have a 6pc percussion plus), taking up 8 channels on the mixer and leaving me with four.
i dont want to get my hopes up but im going to stay on the posative side. i just orderd all the stuff with the 1010lt. THANKS A LOT!
GeoffSM7b the Chuck Noris of Mic'sContributor
Since: Jun 20, 2002
Mar 13, 2005 08:26 pm best of luck to you man. if you have any drum questions drop a line (i'm a drummer as well) .
Mar 14, 2005 07:06 am mental note. kick and snare up the middle pan your cymbals and toms but you have the right idea with the busses.
Even a thousand dollar mic and a thousand dollar preamp will only sound as good as the instrument in the room.
Percussion Plus sounds like ****. Real studios often have quality instruments to be used for the recording.
Being a drummer myself and having had recorded over 20 other peoples sets ranging from the crappiest of the crappy(percussion plus, cb, peace) and the best of the best(DW, Spaun, OCDP)I can tell you the set counts for a lot.
Mar 14, 2005 07:38 am Ditto dB's comments.
May I add, I have found, with a few exceptions, that much of the crap that is produced and thrust upon us these days in "real studios" serves no more use than a flashy beer mat.
I can honestly say the production standards and mixing/engineering and mastering on some "commercial" releases of late has been nothing short of abismal.
There is NOTHING that anyone in a home studio cant achieve with time, money and YES, I do conceed, a certain level of gear. But, those people in "real studios" would love nothing more than for everyone on boards like this to believe that they cannot ever attain such levels of skill as they possess...bollocks. Its certainly plausible and possible and with time, effort and patience, ANYONE can learn the skills needed to make truly professional sounding records.
Dont get me wrong, people who are tone-deaf or who have no concept and cannot learn what to do may not be the next George Martin but there is no way I accept that nobody without a £30,000 pro-tools equipped, top of the range studio can make decent sounding records....
The point here is - its all about the person USING the gear. Id love to hear some folks on here let loose in a "real" studio - there would be a good few "professional" engineers out of a job in no time!! :-)
Cheers
Coco.
