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Posted on Oct 30, 2004 12:35 am
Walt
Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
Member Since: May 10, 2002
Ok, the ole fart is tackling last years Christmas videos. Ya-Hooo! I promise I won't bore ya'll with the footage. But...(ya'll knew that was commin!)
I can format, capture, etc. for NTSC, or PAL, and toy with feet per second. I can do whole bunches of stuff that I don't understand.
I needs a tutatorial on video capturing and rendering. I am also seeing that between Pinnacle Studio, Adobe Primier, and Cubase SX that the times just ain't a linen up. Any "oh ya I hosed that up too" comments that might help out?
I also noticed that the piggure on the camcorder is a lot brighter than the captured image.
Ya got the software programs. The camera is a Sony Digital Handycam DCR-TRV350 using Digital8/Hi8 tapes. It uses a firewire link directly out of the camera.
Hope this is enough info. It is still hard to ask good questions about something I know nothing about.
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Oct 30, 2004 07:03 am I guess my first comment is what format you are saving the captured data too.
I use Pinnacle Studio and a Pinnacle capture card and my captures are quite nice. I capture at the highest resolution possible and save it as an mpeg. I have never noticed any timing difference between applications tho, so I dunno what to telll ya there...
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Oct 30, 2004 12:50 pm Computer monitors render images very differently from TV CRT's so it is normal for it to appear darker on a computer screen... it will be even darker on a LCD screen...
the difference between AVI and MPEG are minimal when doing no compression. I usually capture to pinnicle and edit on Movie Maker and then export back out with pinnicle.
Now when you say that the times arn't lining up...do you mean that the entire video is different lengths but the audio is still in sync or that the audio is going out of sync? you would need a time base corrector to fix that I think.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Oct 30, 2004 02:58 pm Thanks guys! It helps to be questioned when you don't know how to ask the questions.
I am using Pinnacle Studio to capture and the captures themselves are very nice as per dB's experience. They are also dark as per Zek's. Ok, it would seem I am on target with that.
Here is where the timing difference came in. I used Premier to seperate the audio portion of the camcorder's recording, rendering it to a wave file. I used Cubase SX to decrease some of the noise floor. Brought it back into Pinnacle and it was now longer in time than the video clip.
That aside for a moment, I "bigger fish to fry" is starring me in the face:
Ok, got menu in, got link in to 2nd frame in sequence. Menu works.
I am putting in say 8 to 10 still [jpeg] photos with transitions then a couple of [avi] captures then back to some stills and so on. I got to about frame 25 or so on the story line and man is it slowing down. Drag and drop a still [jpg] and wait a full minute for the system to catch up and allow another move. Watched the system per device manager performance and memory is barely being touched but the processor is being maxed out for long periods of time. Using a P4, 2.4G, with 2Gdram on board. Machine has Asus MB with "all in wonder" video card. Have all non-ms background / services pulled out and network disabled. I did mix down or "render" 18 minutes of the project as a test and it came out fine.
Should I take the still sequences and render them as a seperate project, then bring in those [avi]'s in a later overall project?
I looked on Pinnacle Studio's FAQ's and saw nothing on CPU maxing with exagerated wait times per the interface.
Zek and dB, Will it help if I capture everything to MPEG? Less processor intensive? This is where I get in trouble. All of the standards. Primier wants me to decide on PAL or NTSC standards with a wide variety of resolutions stated. I have no idea how that translates to DVD-watch on TV-results.
I'm pretty sure I am sticking a square peg in a round hole and asking the program to do something it was simply not designed to do. Leave it to me.
Oct 30, 2004 03:29 pm PAL is a european size format, NTSC is a US standard (as I recall) DVD widescreen is usually a 16x9 size ration, NTSC is 4x3. I believe the PAL/NTSC dif is in the dpi or something along that line.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Oct 30, 2004 03:46 pm How many pixels per square inch to you use on your stills? I am wondering if that is a problem. I am using [jpegs] created from a 6.1 MP camera. Is this massive overkill for the resolution I need and possibly taxing the CPU to death?
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Oct 31, 2004 10:33 am I think I am catching on...maybe.
Took four hours to render and print the DVD. Turned out very nice. About 40 minutes of "movie". From what I can tell from poking around the net, pictures or stills at 72 dpi @ 10" width providing the corresponding 720 figure are about the optimum.
Now on to the hidden agenda: Making a demo DVD for the band.
Got me watchin the tube with a new eye. What are folks doing to solicite a reaction of excitement. Saw a spot from an auto manufacturer with 5 or 6 rapid stills followed by a short clip of video. I notice they rarely use transitions. Should be fun.
Thanks guys for the info; got me started!
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 31, 2004 10:07 pm Good for ya Walt. I was talkin to dB about lookin into a DVD burner for here. I would like to start transfering all the video I have on VHS to DVD before it all rots.
Oct 31, 2004 10:40 pm anyone here find that working with mpeg in pinnacle studio 9.x is slower then avi? i tried capturing straight to mpeg once and edits, effects, everything took so long for the computer o respond.
2.8P4, 1gigDDR400 ram, rest in profile.
Also, going to upgrade to Liquid Edition in the next few weeks. Anyone use that here?
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Nov 01, 2004 12:11 am I've noticed that the processor taxation on this video stuff is real heavy. It would stand to reason that using compressed files there would be even more complex algorithms to work through. I am moving toward Premier myself. It has a much bigger learning curve but as with everything else the larger the learning curve the greater the potential. There is not much on the net that I can find either on video editing which makes it difficult to decifer. One thing Premier does is it links everything without rendering it. Pinnacle seems to need to render every edit which is really time consuming. At least with Premier it renders once at the end when you tell it to or when you ask it to preview. It does not waste your time while you are simply assembling the project.
