Behringer 2222fx - Delta 1010
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Posted on Sep 18, 2004 10:12 am
breakerfall
Member Since: Sep 18, 2004
Hallo :)
Not sure where to start...
I have a behringer UB2222fx-pro (no idea why they call it pro because the bleeding thing has no outs)... and I was thinking of getting a Delta 1010. The idea is that I want to record each drum mic to a different track on my computer, which is why I'm thinking of a 1010. However, being the newb I was (and still am) when I bought the mixer, I only thought I'd have it connected from the tape outs to the Aux2 inputs on my audigy soundcard drive.
Well, it was a bit of a shock when I read up on my mixer to see that it's one model down from the one that actually has outputs for each channel. Mine doesn't have any outputs (yes I cried like a baby)... so would there be any point in buying a 1010? Is there any other way I could record each mic from the drum set (7 mics).
Thanks
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drakeMember
Since: Apr 13, 2004
Sep 18, 2004 03:38 pm the only way you can simulate direct outs from a mixer that doesn't have direct outs is by putting patch cables half way into the inserts for the desired channels. but i'm not sure if the 2222 has inserts for every channel. my advice to you would be to bag the delta 1010 if you're going to keep the mixer. or get the 2442 and get the delta 1010.
if you keep the mixer, i would buy a card like the m-audio 24/96 for $100. its accepts a stereo signal from the tape out in your mixer. so instead of recording 7 seperate tracks, just take some extra time while recording to set all the levels on your mixer so that it sounds good from the mixer. (levels, panning, EQ, reverb, mic proximity). this makes less work for you later when you are doing the song mixdown and only have to deal with 1 stereo drum track.
not too mention you'll save youself $400
Good Luck!
vdalehubbardLost for words with all to say.Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003
Sep 18, 2004 05:00 pm Lets see what you can do with the board you have. I have a Soundcraft M12 board with direct outs and a Delta 1010 for the main reason to record all 8-9 tracks of my buddy's drums individually. Not cheap but you want control.
This is what the board has on Musicians Friends website:
8 mono channels
4 stereo channels (2 with IMPs)
2 subgroups
3 aux sends
3 stereo aux returns
Now, this is what I was thinking. The 2 subgroups can act as 2 outs here. This is where I might be wrong about aux. I believe the aux sends can work as 3 outs with using 3 of the stereo channels. Just have to use a cord with a mic end on one side and guitar end on other. I'm not sure if that is wise haven't experimented myself. By the look of your board, I'm not sure if this is possible. So, that will give you 5 outs, just have to record two things on one channel. Like the cymbals together since they sometimes aren't hit all at the same time so you can do panning, etc. This takes some thinking if possible but with more control.
Oh yeah, welcome to HRC!
Sep 19, 2004 06:11 am Thanks for the welcome... looks like there's plenty of info to check out. :)
My mixer does have inserts for each mono channel. Sounds like a hack though - is it a reliable way to go?
The idea is, that I want to be able to add effects to specific drums at different times, which is why I wanted each mic recorded to a seperate track. So far, I usually have the levels / EQ set on the mixer before recording, the signal is then sent directly to my computer where it's recorded as a single track. The problem is that I can't, say, add reverb/echo to the snare when I like.
I think, if push comes to shove - I might end up buying the 1010 anyway and then maybe replace the mixer. Would it be worth keeping the current one and routing the signal back to the board for hardware mixing or would I be able to re-route the signal to the input mixer?
So much to learn...
SonicoMember
Since: Apr 19, 2002
Sep 21, 2004 09:56 am You can use the inserts connecting a cable half way in. Just check if the insert points are pre or post eq, if they are pre eq, the signal is going to go out of the inserts without eq even if you equalize it.
Good luck!!
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 23, 2004 12:36 pm I'm using my yamaha 16 channel with the channel inserts going to a 1010lt. I bought a hosa 8 patch snake with 1/4" on one end and RCA on the other (for the 1010lt). I use the signal that stays in the mixer for monitor. It seems to be working very well. I wouldn't upgrade the berry seeing as how you already own it and it will do exactly what you want. I suppose if you wanted to add inserts to the individual channels you may want to upgrade, but that seems pretty fancy, and if you're getting that fancy, then why would you buy a berry? =)
I believe the inserts would be pre-eq, though I'd check the book to be sure. The only thing that seems to change the signal going to PC is the trim knob (or channel gain).
Sep 25, 2004 08:45 pm Thanks for the replies again...
Being a cheap-o student that I am, I would probably have to settle for using the inserts. Pre-EQ wouldn't be a real big deal I suppose, considering I can then add any necessary EQ using software (pain but meh).
I know this will be a real newby question... but the "patch cables" that would connect the mixer to the 1010 - are they just standard straight-through 1/4" jack to jack?
vdalehubbardLost for words with all to say.Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003
Sep 25, 2004 09:50 pm Yep, regular 1/4" cords. I bought a couple of packs of 3' patch cords off of ebay. I believe I paided like 5 bucks for 5 of them, something like that.
TYYMember
Since: Mar 04, 2003
Sep 26, 2004 11:23 am Main outs = 2 outputs (L & R)
Subgroups = 2 outputs
Aux sends = 3 outputs.
That's seven right there. And you still get to use EQ and the inserts for compression, etc. You could feed the 8th input on the 1010 with a line-level source (click track, keyboard, etc.) that needs no preamp.
Or you could use the insert trick, but you give up the eq.
