Fruity Loops or Motif 6???
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Posted on Aug 27, 2004 04:42 am
JAYDOTTCOMM
Member Since: Aug 24, 2004
Im a keyboard player without a hardcore keyboard! Now before spend too much money...i would like to know something. Ive heard people say "You have a computer, You dont need to get a keyboard workstation..all your paying for is the keys." I find it hard to digest that Fruity Loops, Project 5, or Kinetic can even achieve anywhere near the same quality sound as a Motif or even my old Roland XP 6o which ive sold based upon this theory. i have a casio cheap poop butt keyboard capable of midi. Is there any soft synths ive missed that would create this majestical PC Synth Powerhouse ive be hoping to build?
Strings,Pianos,Guitars,Basses,and Horns sound very stupid to me on fruity loops...
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vdalehubbardLost for words with all to say.Contributor
Since: Sep 12, 2003
Aug 27, 2004 07:14 am Well, the thing is with a computer, you get can get VST plug ins to add to Fruit Loops or Project 5 to have different sounds, lots of them are free in some cases. Instead of buying a $1000 to $2000 keyboard/rack mount to get different sounds, plug ins through MIDI can give you this. Plus, I believe the editing tools these VST's are easier to customize then on the keyboard. Which I always find a way of screwing it up and can't get back the factory defaults when going to edit the samples on the keyboard.
I'm in the process, after I get our EP done, of building me another computer and use it live through MIDI to use alot of VST's I have messed with that I enjoy the samples more then my Alesis give me. That's what is sweet about this, can keep adding to your collection.
Aug 27, 2004 03:08 pm Is there any way Protools can accept VST's.Is there a converter that will change VST to RTAS so that it will be applicable with the ProTools system..It would be much easier if there was a converter. I would hate to go through the hassle of saving to waves, exporting them to Protools, Looping them, and then add effects. A converter. VST to RSAT....or am i S.O.L.
wrmach I'm Roscoooo P. ColtraneMember
Since: Apr 12, 2003
Aug 27, 2004 03:16 pm The fruityloops samples aren't too bad. All of them are not to my taste but the cool thing is you can add your own ! I agree with vdale, you can keep adding to the list: vst, dxi, and any and every sample you want.
It's also the quality of samples you use. I've heard samples that sound bad; I've heard alot that sound great, very professional. I also make alot of my own on samps. You can record everyday common sounds and use them as samples. Why don't you do the demo download on fruityloops, if you haven't already. Check it out, see what you think.
I'm not a keyboardist (it may not be what you're into) but I think the quality is excellent and
the possibilities are endless.
Aug 27, 2004 03:30 pm Well i have the Fruity loops Full...The thing is, I find it good for One Shot samples. But if i sample a piano.....as the pitch is raised in note value..the duration gets shorter and shorter. It would be nice to just busy a VST of Strings, piano,rhodes, and other synthes..And for the love of GOD! not real cheesy ones either..That grand piano in the Fruity Loops browser sounds like they sampled an old 1995 Nokia Ring tone. The guitar sucks..Plucked??? Man please. Id spend anywhere up to $800 on some good vintage piano, string, or lead synth plug-ins....Which i hope can be routed into Protools(VST to RTAS).
wrmach I'm Roscoooo P. ColtraneMember
Since: Apr 12, 2003
Aug 28, 2004 01:08 pm I see what your saying dude. Some of the vst's sound a bit corny but I know there are some great plug-ins out there that create a realistic sound image of any instrument you want. The raised pitch thing got on my nerves too. What I did was find piano samples that possesed cromatic scales in several octaves. That way I was assured that the integraty of the note wasn't compromised.
I understand your frustrations. I went through(& still do)tech isues. Trying to create professional, realistic music from synthesizers can, at times get irratating. Keep at it. But there are ways around the rediculously priced soft synths that are out there...just keep hammering away...you'll get it all worked out. take it easy
Aug 28, 2004 01:54 pm You guys rock! Its like yall know ways to get around just about everything.
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Aug 28, 2004 04:51 pm You may also want to look into Reason. There are some seriously nice sounds that come packaged with it, including horns and strings (pianos are ok, but not great in my opinion). I also use some very nice free soundfonts for horns and piano.
Aug 28, 2004 08:39 pm to me FL is just for drums. i have a triton, so i wouldnt dream of using those auxiliary FL instruments, nor would i sample a piano. there are, however, great plugins out there for strings and piano and stuff. the thing is, the good stuff looks like it's usually pretty expensive, and in the end and you might actually be better off with a keyboard you really like.
still, even if you have a monster keyboard you may want to augment it with plugins. for example i found programming drums with the triton sucky so i got fruity. if i had more of a head for midi, i might try to map my triton drum sounds to the cubase midi tracks and then play around with doing it that way, playing in real time with corrective quantization. but oh dang it in the end its just easier and faster to fill in those little fruity tabs.
i guess what i mean to say is that i'm pretty picky about sounds. if theyre no good i cant deceive myself into thinking they are. there are some decent free plugins out there, but it seems like when you're really after the sweet sounding stuff you're talking about $1000-$3000 programs with multi-layered patches, all recorded in stereo and triggerable, etc. but a nice big keyboard usually comes equipped with an army of nearly-realistic and tweakable sounds (the triton's main weakness is the piano sounds, but EQ can fix them up), and so you can depend on it for a long time.
wrmach I'm Roscoooo P. ColtraneMember
Since: Apr 12, 2003
Aug 29, 2004 12:38 am I've found samples from real piano's.(grand..baby grand) I've used them and they sound awsome. If it's a real piano sample, then it should be a real piano sound...don't you think? It might depend upon the program you use, too; the settings and so forth that might effect the sound. But the stuff I'm turnig out sounds very realistic. Not saying that those plugin's wouldn't sound great but theres a heck of alot we can do without breakin' the bank.
take it easy...
